Biaggi: Rossi has no chance

The Roman Emperor issues a new decree

Posted: 19 February 2013
by Visordown News

Rossi and Biaggi at the 2005 Portugese GP

MAX BIAGGI has told Italian television that he believes that Valentino Rossi stands no chance of winning the 2013 MotoGP championship. 

In a statement to Sport Mediaset, former Superbike world champion Biaggi claimed that Rossi would not have any chance of achieving the title in 2013, concluding that 'only in the imagination could Valentino come back to win.'

He also appeared to suggest that Rossi has not earned his ride at Yamaha, on the current championship winning bike. He said: "Valentino Rossi is like Copperfield! [American illusionist David Copperfield]. Despite two bad years, he got the world champion bike!'

Biaggi's comments are the latest in a long series of tit-for-tat comments exchanged between the two Italians in a feud lasting years - despite numerous attempts to play down bad relations, Biaggi seems unable to resist diminishing his former rival. 


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Brilliant!!!

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:05

Yea same old same old, at least Biaggi will get some publicity from the comments. May be he would like to compare tax payments at the end of Rossis bike career.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:07

Maybe Max wants to compare the compensation payments to avoid penalty for tax fraud - Rossi paid at least 35 m€ in 2008.
Melandri was last year sentenced to 19 month on probation for tax fraud in 2003-2005.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:15

Max who ? Oh, the bitter fella who never won a 500/MOTOGP title whereas Rossi won 7 ( plus 125/250 ).
Rossi failed @ Ducati as will Dovi etc ... but to say he doesn't deserve another cack on a top bike is insane, last weeks test proved the speed is there.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:19

knob ..nuff said

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:39

Ha ha. Maybe poor old Max is still pissed off at being refused entry to Yamaha's MotoGP hospitality suite. Short man syndrome?

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 11:51

Whilst i'd agree that Max is without doubt bitter towards Rossi. I think he's got a point about Rossi not deserving the Factory Yamaha ride this season. In my opinion, Dovi or Crutchlow should be on that bike and Rossi on the Tech 3.

After all, you're only as good as your last season, regardless of what bike you were riding.

Rossi deserves respect for the championships he won, but on the results over the last two seasons, there are other guys further up the queue for that Yamaha.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 13:05

Rossi can get the same exposure as the rest of the paddock combined. He's paired up with the best MotoGP rider in the world right now too. So, why wouldn't you want him in your line-up?

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 13:59

Exactly Ben. Yamaha are not silly. They know VR sells bikes. And as you say pairing him up with George is a no brainer. I don't think he'll win another title. But I'd certainly LOVE to see him do it. Just to rub #3's nose in it once more.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 14:44

If Dovi or Cal were on the factory Yamaha i'm not sure either would be winners, remember Dovi had 3 years on the Repsol Honda, arguably the best bike on the grid and got one wet race win.
Cal is an unknown, Rossi, as Ben has said, get's huge exposure and while it was a slight risk signing him it would appear from the test that he has lost none of his speed, he will win races, a title, who can tell, but for sure race wins will happen.
Whatever, it should be a cracker of a season as love him or hate him Rossi is exciting when he's @ the pointy end.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 16:44

Well Max, imagination or not, at least Rossi is on the grid...

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 17:28

Well, look at this: Max Biaggi won two world championships on a 1000cc Italian V4 motorcycle, never asking for 15 different frame updates. Valentino Rossi not only failed to win the World Championship on an Italian V4, he failed to win a single race in two years, despite 15 different frame 'solutions' that he himself orchestrated. And yet the Yellow Hordes still claim Flossi is the best man in the world to sort a wayward motorcycle.. I think there is a name for the psychosis the Rossiacs suffer from...

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 18:39

Rossi got the ride because he brought sponsors money.of course he is quick on the factory m1,but he wont beat lorenzo and pedrosa.marquez will be up to speed after 4 or 5 races and he will see rossi off also,The one thing that puzzles me is the out of all proportion hero worship rossi gets from grown men.very strange.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 20:06

I'm sorry but did Biaggi deserve that repsol honda ride? ............ no probably not..........

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 20:49

Wow. A lot of haters here trying to say who deserves what. I find the Rossi hate club equally as blinded by bias as the yellow horde. So let's see who deserved the 2nd available factory M1. Dovi had 3 years in factory Honda without a single dry race let alone a championship. Cal's podium totals can be counted on one hand. In fact he has more DNF's than podiums. Don't get me wrong, both are amazing talents and have more potential than what they've been riding the last two years but results don't put them in the hot seat for a factory ride on one of the 4 bikes capable of winning races. Anyone else? Spies? Ok, I might buy that. Horrendous year in 2012 but before that he's the only one besides Dani, Casey, Jorge, & Valention to win a dry race sine the 990's. Still, he kind of spat the dummy when they started expressing their displeasure in his results and didn't help slow his slide towards the exit door. Anyone left with race winning ability available? Oh yeah, that guy who put Yamaha back on the map just a few years ago and as recently as two was winning races. Also happens to have two titles in the last 5 years. That guy might deserve a chance at least to be the #2 rider to help win the team and constructors' championship. I think Yamaha aren't being stupid taking a chance on him. No one even himself is claiming that he's the title hope so everyone can chill the eff out. To say anyone else racing other than him is more deserving of that ride is delusional.

As for Biaggi? Only in his imagination is he relevant.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 22:01

S'a very good point you make there Bradl-ey. Seems the days of #3 whinging on that he was on an inferior bike. Then getting beaten on said inferior bike whilst he was on the best bike in the paddock are swept under the carpet.

Kneedown, he more than likely won't win the title, but to write him off full stop is just foolish. I seem to recall you not so long ago saying VR was totally washed up and is going to be crushed by George, Dani and Marquez...wondering if you're thinking about recanting that statment at all?

Michael, #3 had possibly MORE updates than any other WSBK rider in history. Engines alone he had at least 12 this season. Dread to think of the other updates chassis wise that Aprilia chucked his way. And he still only beat Syksey this year by half a point!!

Dani Pedrosa had at least 12 different chassis from HRC last season, he didn't win a title. Would you say he's a dreadful dev rider as well.

Please guys, I appreciate we all have our favourite picks, but let's at least stick to the facts in our arguments on here, instead of just flinging mud..

I'm by no means a fan of #3. I have my reasons for this, but doesn't mean I still don't think he's a good rider. Of course he is, there's just people A LOT better...

I'm just thinking we could have some proper debates on here instead of usual crash.net shite..

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 22:09

Well one thing is for sure. Rossi has mroe foa chance than max ever did. :D

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 22:22

P-Dub. Great points made there mate. Had Spies not had the season from hell, I'm fairly certain that Yamaha might've thought a lot longer and harder about giving VR the ride again. But as I've said above, it's about money. Lots of it. And VR sells bikes amongst all the other stuff he and his PR machine sell.

HRC are clearly putting all their faith in Marquez, and why wouldn't you? He's the biggest talent into the premier class since, well, since Valentino Rossi. They know it, and more to the point Yamaha know it. Could Spies take results off Marquez, no, probably not in my opinion. Not saying Spies is no good, of course he's class. It's just Marquez is going to be a lot better.

Just lets get the season underway. Can't WAIT.

Posted: 19/02/2013 at 22:29

To an extent I think he is right. Rossi will not win the championship, that is for certain. Having done nothing on the Ducati that Stoner could ride he is then back. that is a consequence of the fact thsat Rossi is about the only person with Charisma & bankability in MotoGP.
However Biaggi is not reaklly talking from an objective point of view is he.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 09:06

Smilo, I'm not saying this because I'm a VR fan, I'm saying this because it's a fact. What part of the GP12 bears ANY resemblance to the bike Stoner won the title on?

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 09:56

one thing for Biaggi LOL..... he's just frustrated retired OLD man... talking bullshit who's he to talk these type of shit he's been beaten time and again by rossi back then....... Rossi has chance nobody is saying he will win there are lot of talented riders out there 99,26,93..... on the bikes capable of winning so this year he has chance all these four has chance 99,26 being on stronger side. And he didn't earned M1 this year, is Biaggi mad?? Rossi won 4 WC on this M1 Developed this M1 with Yamaha He earned it long time back........ Biaggi is just jealous becoz this year he will be sitting on couch and rossi will be racing on M1 [ one of the four capable bike on grid ].

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 10:11

It is irrelevant that he failed on the Ducati, only Casey succeeded and after his title in 2007 the bike was going backwards along with his results and crashes, however his record on all other types is exceptional, from 125's, 250's and also on the 500 stroker !!
smilo996 - how can you say he won't win a title, none of us can tell that, even before his Sepang test where he showed he is still there speed wise, also Rossi is never a tester time wise he's better in the race situation, he may not win a title yet equally he may do so, one thing is certain he will win some races and it won't be boring.
Biaggi never got over the fact that Rossi won titles on the Yamaha he reckoned was shit and when Honda gave Biaggi the works Repsol ride Rossi handed his ass to him again.... bitter, for sure he is.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 10:35

Pagik ... since you seem to be moderating this thread, pls leave Stoner and his bikes out of it. I believe he deserves it as much as VR deserves a shot at the title on a competitive machine.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 12:29

Personally these comments are exactly what Rossi needs.
Infact this is very smart of Biaggi, he knows this will motivate Rossi more to try and win the championship.
If you read between the lines you would think they were the best of mates and use the media to build a frenzy and negativity that Rossi thrives on.
He loves to prove people wrong and this is what he will try and do.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 12:38

And Guys, don't you think it's time to stop talking about THE Ducati as it was just one and the same bike? Anyone remember Ducati changing tyre manufacturer to have different tyre than Honda and Yamaha? That's changed. From steel frame to carbon to alu frame. Engine displaement has changed. Aerodynamics is new. Engine configuration has changed. They tilted it ti be able to put radiators in front of the low cylinders. Electronics is of course all refined and changed. God knows what else. Do you think that Stoner on a brand new Ducati would win the title again? Ducati don't need Audi. They just need to sign Stoner. Dovi was at the speed of the top six all last year. What happens on the Ducati? Bellow Hayden. What happened to Rossi? Boom, top four. What does that tell you of that bike? Yes, you are right! STONER could drive it. Even Stoner need a good bike. And Rossi too. And Dovi. Even Hayden could have done much better on a Honda. Remember The Carrierekiller? Ducati. A brand of traditions. Thank you.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 12:57

And i must say "Melandri". Anyone remember him fighting sideways with Rossi before joining Ducati? Anyone remember Gibernau fighting Rossi before joining Ducati? And Hayden actually won the title before joining Ducati.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 13:13

There is two more things that must be mentioned. The first is finance and Italy. This has changed to the extent of Ducati being sold to Germans. Thats the same as selling your kidney on Ebay. Italians are proud, but have no (official) money. Do you think they spent them on the Ducati? No.

The second thing is airsprung valves. Ducati had, back in 2007 and 2008 an advantage with their desmo valve actuation. What happened? The Japs took the advantage away by the intro of Airsprung valves, leaving Ducatis to fill the gap between japs and crt. You can put Jesus on the bike if you want. To be first even he needs a shortcut.

Good driver + good bike = results
Good driver + Current Ducati = Biaggi making smart remarks

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 13:27

i like this pagik guy..... talks sense....

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 13:27

to be honest rossi has biaggi covered in every area, this is biaggis problem....
lets not include 125 or 250 (i was too young to watch those guys then)
rossi, in every year in the premier class, including his debut (!!!!!!), but not 2010 because of injury, has been the top rider in the championship for what ever manufacturer he has been with, by some way.
EVERY YEAR.
biaggi has struggled to win anything in top flight gp's at any time, including a winless HRC campaign.

has to move to WSB to find some dignity, and admittedly does come good, but last season with the 1198 handicapped, im sorry he should have walked away with the championship, and not grab it by the skin of his teeth.

he is a significantly lesser rider, and retirement or not, i bet he still wakes up in the night sweating about VR....

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 13:43

mxs, I'm not "moderating" mate. I'm putting across my point of view. I'd certainly agree that we need to leave Casey and his Ducati out of this. Happy to do so. Personally, I think the whole "Casey could ride it VR couldn't" argument has been done to death.

So lets get back to the matter in hand.

I do think that there's a certain amount of PR coming from #3 here, he's signed to be a commentator on Italian TV for the upcoming season. And I reckon he' trying to drum up trade.

Or it could just be the usual #3 histrionics. Either way, it's getting the desired result, particularly on here eh!!..

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 14:08

Brad-ley,

To say #3 is a "significantly lesser rider" is a little strong to be honest. Listen to anyone over the past 15 years or so that's ridden any GP, WSBK class and they'll all tell you the same thing he's about the smoothest there is.

However, he did let VR into his head and it's still, by the looks of it fucking with him these days.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 14:20

haha valid point!

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 14:23

On e thing's for sure, these guys brought character with them. A bit of needle that made things interesting and they're still at it !!

Its interesting that there is more discussion about two riders, neither of whom is the current MotoGP champion,than their is about Lorenzo, Pedrosa etc etc.

Its similar with the IOM TT, plenty of talk about Guy Martin and he's never won an event their(yet !)

The riders with some attitude and character get talked about and remembered for years. Long may these two have a go at each other.

In fact why don't Yamaha ditch Lorenzo and put Biaggi on the bike and lt the games begin !! Would be fun if nothing else.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 19:34

Not to keep piling on here but in fewer words logic refutes Mr. Biaggi. Technically Rossi has a factory M1 in Moto GP so that means he has a chance however remote. Biaggi? No M1 in MotoGP. No chance.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 19:43

Ok... Well, I've not posted on here for a while, I've been pretty busy with work. But you may recall I agreed, and put a fair few points on here, that the issue, with the evidence at hand, might have been an issue with the Ducati, and not just Vale. Someone, saying I told you so doesn't seem to cut it though...

So Max, well, I think Max is just a little angry, at the end of the day, he was one of the guys that if it weren't for Vale, he'd have happily had a GP World Championship or two in the premier class, but put simply, he couldn't beat Vale, and then when he got the Honda, he still couldn't beat Vale.

A lot of people think that at 2004 at South Africa, Vale was shaking in shock when he sat at the side of the bike with the M1. He was infact laughing his arse off after beating Max on the M1.

Max no doubt had a good career, and finished it off nicely with a second WSBK title, however, I can't help but think, that if the ZX-10 wasn't chewing tyres for the first half of the season, Sykes would have happily had him - BUT, that's racing and Max still won, so that's that.

The reason some have surmised that Vale is on the bike is sponsorship, yet Yamaha don't have a title sponsor, and if it's because he's not good enough, then why is he 0.1 off Lorenzo, the current world champion, after 3 days on the bike? That to me doesn't show someone that's significantly off the pace and past it, or washed up?

Sure, Dovi or Cal could have had the ride, Dovi done exceptionally well on the Tech 3, Cal was always keeping him honest and occasionally stepped past him, but neither, if I'm honest, even now are upto the pace that Vale still has.

If there is any doubt, then look at what's happened in Sepang, Dovi is now shell shocked, looking rather like Vale did in 2010 after swinging a leg over that bike. It simply doesn't work properly, and that's that, especially if you're an Italian with a riding style that requires a good front end. The point is, if Jorge, or Dani, or Marquez, or anyone else had jumped on that bike, they'd also struggle. Casey done it, and it's becoming more apparent that this was 1) down to his immense talent 2) down to his style and 3) an ability and a willingness to turn the electronics down and turn the Ducati on the rear.

The other point is for 2007 and 2008, Ducati had custom tyres - those years, Stoner came 1st and 2nd, 2009 and 2010 they had spec tyres and he had 4th and 4th. Even with his ability to ride the bike, he was putting everything on the line to get anywhere with it, and from the outside - looking at Nickys times - he's the only constant - it's got slower while others have got faster, partly down to development rate and partly down to the speed in which the spec tyres have changed.

So... Long and short of it... Vale is a long way from washed up, a title is a bloody longshot and very unlikely, but it's never a good idea to write off Valentino, I for one wont. And I think it's sour grapes from Max, and an ill thought out dig, which might repeat in 12 months time.

I'm looking forward to the season ahead and I'm sure the results will do the talking...

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 20:23

Crash test Dummy. Yes, yes, and yes. The characters are missed. Also the racing was closer. I'm fairly sure the weather was better too ;)

I'm hoping that the close racing returns this year, and with that will come the needle I reckon. Bring. It. On.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 20:36

rob m 9- couldnt agree more.

Posted: 20/02/2013 at 23:30

Rob M 9 is again talking rubbish. in 2008 everyone was saying that Stoner had such a good electronic that helped him. Now your saying that he did without. Everyone agrees.

But why is that even relevant? We know that compared to the lineup in 2007, Ducati then had a good package. He knew, and he said it as well, that from then the Ducati had problems. Last years Stoner had the best possible bike. Of course he was fast. Last years Rossi had the Ducati. Of course he wasn't fast.

Everytime Rossi races for top spots, it's great fun to watch. Can't wait to see what happens!

And stop mention Stoners skill. Remember all the times he fell? Both on Duce and Honda? He is great, no doubt, but he need a good bike.

Posted: 21/02/2013 at 15:42


aw
At the end of the day you must credit VR for daring to leave Honda to go to Yamaha when he initially did, would Stone have done that -NO! and no one has

Posted: 22/02/2013 at 12:37

On the subject of Casey Stoner. There is a very interesting article in BIKE magazine ( Sept 2012 issue, page 44 ) about Casey Stoner, his racing career and where he started from. For all those who think Stoner can only win on the best bikes and would never take any chances etc, give it a read !

Posted: 22/02/2013 at 13:14

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