Why Triumph's Indian move is good

Response to the negative comments that Triumph's quality will diminish

Posted: 17 July 2012
by Visordown

Yesterday we revealed that Triumph is planning a huge new Indian factory that could make ten times as many bikes as the firm currently manages. And the immediate response, going by readers' comments, was a negative one.

But we think this is the best news we've heard in ages. Here's why:

Let's dispel some misunderstandings. First up, bikes built in the Indian plant won't be intended for sale in Europe, America or anywhere else; they're for India. The market over is ravenous for new bikes, albeit very different ones to the bikes that sell over here. You won't find many Bajaj, Hero or TVS machines on sale outside India for the same reason. They can sell everything they make in their homeland without the need for worldwide distribution, worldwide marketing, worldwide dealer networks and all the other hassle of being an 'international' brand. If – and it's a bigif –anyof the Indian-made Triumphs come over here, bearing in mind these will be small-capacity single-cylinder machines, they're likely to be aimed at L-plate riders. As such, they'd provide an early foothold to the Triumph brand that young riders are currently denied.

Forget any notion that Triumph could build huge numbers of bikes in the UK and ship them to India. Not only would the cost of production and shipping make it prohibitive, but India has massive import duties – something like 105% on motorcycles – which means anything not made in the country is enormously expensive. Yes, it would be lovely to have a huge manufacturing base in the UK, a worldwide powerhouse of industry like the ones we had a century ago, exporting worldwide. But it's just not feasible.

Now look at the numbers. In India, more bikes can be sold in a month than in a year in Europe. The market is growing at more than 10% per year, in a country who's economy is also growing at something like 6% per annum. Compare that to Europe, where economies are flat at best and the bike market has dropped in double-digit percentages year after year since the financial crisis began. It's easy to see where a business would prefer to have its bread-and-butter coming from.

Conclusion? This is wonderful news for Triumph. It shows enormous balls from John Bloor to go it alone in India, rather than taking the easy option of a joint venture with an existing Indian firm. If he can make it work (and let's face it, his track record says he will) then it shifts Triumph into a totally new ballpark in terms of size, away from the Ducatis and Aprilias of this world (small firms, most of which have already been swallowed by larger conglomerates). Instead it will be nearer the size of Piaggio, a firm more likely to buy others than be bought out. We're British, our bike industry has been in the doldrums for decades. Let's get behind it now it's showing signs of getting back where it should be.



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Your article states it's a british company? That can't be true. It's an Indian company with the 'Triumph' name and will make motorcycles that bear no connection to the 'Triumph' make except they share the same name. I concour with the business ethics as it makes sense not to import bikes into India at this price.....Small capacity Triumphs? No, they'll be one of the countless copies of small Hondas' copied throughout the world.....If the money made helps keep the 'Triumph' company in business, then I'm all for it...But don't call them 'Triumphs'. They blatently aren't!

Posted: 17/07/2012 at 13:30

That said, a lot of Triumphs made today don't have much in common with the traditional bikes either.

If this move keeps Triumph healthy, and maybe provides entry level riders who will become future buyers of the so-called classic Triumphs, than that is all to the good.

Anyway, I've ridden several of these so-called Honda copies in SE Asia, and they are very practical and a lot of fun to bomb around on.
Likely most of them will still be in active use after years of abuse that would have the 'classic' Triumphs sitting in a scrapyard.

I currently use a Yamaha YZF125G as my primary transport over there. Far more practical than most 'big' bikes, and still fun to ride in the right environment.

Keeps up with the local traffic just fine, gets 400km two-up with luggage from a 12l tank of gas, and is rated and sized to carry two good-sized adults plus luggage. It easily gets through bad road / trail conditions without the weight, expense and vulnerability to damage of the modern 'adventure' bikes.
Very easy and cheap to service, excellent spares availability, and only cost me $1600 new, with a year's warranty, free service, tax, title and insurance.
That's an eight of what an XC800 would cost me imported into the same market.

Posted: 17/07/2012 at 17:26

The article forgot to mention the quality issue - which in turn nedn't be an issue at all. It all depends on who's in charge of quality control, and given Triumph's track record on this, it is unlikely they will dump a shoddy product bearing their name on unsuspecting European customers - or even Indian ones. Curently BMW have their Rotax-derived one-cylinder engines built in China, and if a manufacturer with a strong reputation for quality products can do so, why shouldn't Triumph be able to do it as well?

Posted: 17/07/2012 at 18:46

They have got their work cut out.
John Gibson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano

Posted: 17/07/2012 at 22:39

A huge percentage of Triumphs (and Ducatis) bought in the UK are made in Thailand in any case so even if they were exported to UK from India instead of Thailand what is the difference? Wake up to the realities of globalisation for better or worse bikes with European badges are not always made there and that is before we even look at where the components that make up the parts are manufactured.

Seems some snobbery too about diluting the brand with smaller cheaper models. Well, in its heyday, Triumph was the working man's transport not a luxury toy for weekends. In a way, they will be fulfilling this role again but with Indian working class men going to factories etc.just like in Britain 50 years ago (when the UK actually made things).

Posted: 18/07/2012 at 04:10

I also think it is good news IF it plays out well for Triumph. Honda make all sorts of bikes in many different countries with varying levels of quality. No reason Triumph shouldn't strive to compete with that. If this venture is successful, it may fund a factory racing team, and we'd all love to see Triumph in MotoGP. However, in reality, I don't think this will happen and instead we may get parts made in India and bikes assembled from Indian-made parts in the UK. Honda do this too and I've noticed that many recent models don't have the high-quality metal parts - the CBR250R is an example of a bike with some nasty bits of metal on it.

Posted: 18/07/2012 at 07:21

From what I've seen Indian workers are every bit as capable of putting out a quality product as English workers are and less likely to halt production by going on strike.
And we know they love English brands with Enfield
It can only be good for Triumph, IMHO.
Who knows, twenty years down the line Triumph may be as big a motorcycle producer as Honda or Yamaha.

Posted: 18/07/2012 at 10:09

You sure about that?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18905514

Posted: 19/07/2012 at 18:09

The new company is Triumph India and it is reported that this is wholly owned by Triumph; not a joint venture. So Triumph will get to set standards at the factory and the quality will depend entirely on their ability to monitor and improve quality control, something we know they have done very well in the UK. Of course, materials supply and labour will be different but not necessarily worse so there's no reason to assume that Triumph India is not going to be capable of producing high quality machines. The worry is that they are producing machines for a budget market and that means deliberately compromising quality. How far will this compromise go ? Zeiss (lens maker) has tried to open factories in developing countries and I know for a fact that the one they started in China failed - simply couldn't meet their standards. So I think it very much depends on the quality standards the company sets for itself, not that the plant is in India.

Posted: 20/07/2012 at 04:33

FFS, its a British company expanding, surely thats good news. What happens if, God forbid, they make profit? Maybe it will help with more R&D, maybe more chance of the UK arm continueing to grow!? Its British growth APPLAUD IT!!!!

Posted: 20/07/2012 at 09:55

Fair play to Triumph expanding.i wonder if they're going to sell the bikes at the stupidly out of reach for the rest of the non elite bikers prices as they do in Thailand.
Open your eyes and ears Triumph you need to drop your prices where you make the bikes.
You do that in Thailand and you would sell over100 bikes on the first day you announce it.
Do it if you have the balls for biking future.

Posted: 20/07/2012 at 16:05

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