Honda releases new promo video for ADV scooter

Gives us our first good look at it in action

THIS is Honda’s latest video for its upcoming ADV scooter, providing the best look yet of the bike in being put through its paces.

This video is the second in the ‘Your horizons are going to change forever’ series. The first instalment showed the bike being ridden on tarmac but here we get to see the bike carving through some dusty, unpaved terrain.

Honda wouldn't make promotional videos for models it wasn't intending to bring to market and the 'Honda 2017' in the top left of the opening shot is the first official confirmation that the ADV will be part of the 2017 lineup.

The video comes to a close with the bike being loaded into a shipping container (bound for Italy and Eicma, perhaps?) before ending with a date – September 15, which is when we can expect to find out more information.

The Honda ADV was first revealed as a concept at Eicma 2015 and is based on the same platform as the NC750X and big-wheel Integra scooter, useing the same 54hp 745cc parallel twin engine and a similar chassis. It looks like cross between the two – an Integra that can go anywhere thanks to longer travel USD forks and dual purpose tyres. It also sports wire-spoke wheels, hand guards, a new longer swingarm and more ground clearance than the Integra.

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I'm wondering just how much extra engineering was required over the existing NC750 stable for this "ADV". Is it possible they've been spending a bit of time ensuring the video is not just marketing BS?

I mean it is anyway, but it'd be nice to think this "scooter" was even mildly useful off-road.

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...and a no doubt "Professional Rider Under Controlled Conditions" going up a fire road at 20 mph suggests `mild` might be overstating the case for its off-road credentials.

Note how the careful editing suggests the bike launches off the raised flatbed, but you don't actually see it jump - not even into the container with a 6" step.

Suggests that even high curb action is beyond this baby, never mind any reasonable level of soft-roading.

...but not necessarily comfortable off-road.

I don't think 17" wheels are much of a problem in dry, hard-packed conditions, except for sizable holes and ruts. Will anyone really brave it in the soft and wet stuff on those road tyres?

The ground clearance and suspension travel will surely be the biggie with this, indeed. So I'm thinking "mildly useful" in a Fiat Panda 4x4 sense, rather than the full-on Land-rover sense. :D

I expect any extra engineering effort to have been on riding feel, which is as much to do with the wheels and tyres as any specific geometry, weight distribution, riding position etc. tweaks.

If it's easy and fun to scoot down a fire road, I think that'd please the target owner.

The rider that this is aimed at is almost certainly not from the UK, more likely Southern Europe, better weather, dry dirt roads, less mud, bigger scooter market. As anyone who has ever ridden off road, you tend to spend most of your time standing on the pegs, and I don't think that that will be too comfortable here.

Honda can be a bit odd sometimes, but they are certainly not going to capture any dedicated ADV riders with this (they know better), let alone their own Africa Twin buyers, but if you can fit a set of knobblies to an R1 (Nick Saunders), any bike can go off road to one degree or another.

As Inert alluded to, more Soft Roader than full fat SUV. However, I note that they have uprated the brakes to twin front discs, so does that hint at more power from the Integra engine?

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That is two things in one: A crap scooter AND a crap motorcycle.

And no doubt, more expensive for all the crapness. If you want a soft-roader with an auto box, then the NC750X is several grand cheaper and comes with storage as standard. Ironically, making it a better scooter.

I don't know why Honda (and all the other manufacturers) are sooooo fearful of just taking the TMax head-on. But, given the choice between this and a TMax, I'd stick some dual-purpose tyres on the Yamaha before I'd risk this lump off road - the first fall is likely to be a write off with foldable nothing and typical Honda plastics cost.

Not that a Tmax is cheap to crash either..

Feasibly, replacing a single large diameter disc (320 mm on the NC750X) with two smaller ones retains the same or better thermal performance but better clearance. Not had an issue with this myself, mind.

We can probably expect it to be heavy, at the very least.

There really doesn't appear to be anywhere to stand, now that you mention it.

If you want something handy but that can deal with shitty weather and is not afraid of bad British roads... this thing might work.
But of course I would not pay full price for a winter bike, call me in 10 years!!!!
Anyway it is nice to see Honda doing, at least, interesting bikes... since they seem to have lost the skill to make exciting ones.

Inert, the large front disc on the NC range of bikes is simply part of the manufacturing process that Honda claim has reduced costs. The front and rear discs are cut from the same piece of steel, the smaller rear disc being removed from the inside of the larger front one. Thermal efficiency has little to do with it, as far as I know.

Snave, you make a good point about no-one taking on the T-Max. All other large(ish) scooters seem to have been cast from the same jelly mould. However, the T-Max is not cheap either, you pays your money...

I suspect that there may be some marketing hype here, in that the Integra has not been a sales success in general, and in particular not in the UK. Whether Honda admit that it has been a sales flop and withdraw it, or tart it up and try a different approach is a question that they would keep to themselves.

Will Yamaha respond with an XT-Max? I won't hold my breath, but stranger things have happened.

Good point, I suppose they couldn't use that style disc because there's nowhere to mount it on wire-spoked wheels. Notice the cast wheel of the NCs is specially made for the large bolt circle diameter resulting from the manufacturing process you helpfully described (as in: I wasn't aware of the motivation; wonder why they don't all do it?).

But thermal i.e. cooling performance is proportional to the physical size (linear speed) of the disc, as well as the total mass and surface area of the bits that get hot: two small ones equivalent to one large one, but also easily made better. More engine power and / or more weight could create a higher thermal load during normal use, possibly necessitating twin discs as you said.

Another consideration is whether the lace-up hubs could take the torque of a single large disc on such a heavy beastie, or would prefer it spread out over more material on either side. So the extra "clearance" of the smaller discs might indeed have been secondary in either case.

My immediate thought about the T-Max is the "traditional" lack of engine braking with a CVT. But it turns out that a small design change to the centrifugal clutch can allow it to remain engaged when driven by the wheel, as practiced on some ATVs - it seems the T-Max does something similar.

One thing this might have over the T-Max is the slightly "edgier" look and the "wild-man trapped in the metropolis" pseudo-adventure pretence... :D
If it's successful as a result, I would expect others to copy!

All of which is to say, it's hard to know for what combination of reasons they went to twin discs exactly.

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