Kyoto pads are shit....

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Kyoto pads are shit....

...so I need some new ones.

The front pads on my 650 V-Strom were worn to the limit at about 10000 miles - until they needed replacing I'd always been pretty happy with them.
I ride in all weathers, commuting + playing.

I made the mistake of ordering 'pattern' pads without knowing the brand, and received 'Kyoto' ones. They fitted no problem, but the front brakes just don't suit me now:

Very little feedback, so difficult to ride smoothly (esp with a pillion)
Hopeless when cold and wet
Very 'grabby', they go from nothing to locking the wheel.

I don't know if the pads are crap or just the wrong type for my riding - so I don't want to go out and buy high-falootin' pads that cost loads and are just as bad.

So: any recommendations? Priorities: good progressive feel, all weathers, low disc wear. This is not a sportsbike and the only time I don't use it is sunny Sunday mornings!

Ta

How about a set of OEM ones as you seemed to like the ones you had first time?

Find the honda equivalent, if there is one, and get a pair of nissin brand pads. Same as OE

DGW-Steve wrote

How about a set of OEM ones as you seemed to like the ones you had first time?

It's price and getting hold of them - all the local Suzuki dealers are falling down like flies....... just wondered what I should be looking for if not oem

Order the OEM pads from red car motorcycles they are usually quite good.

EBC HH sintered. Job done.

Not calling your a thicko, but have you bedded them in ??

I tried many and various pads on my old Tiger, one of the advantages of owning a bike for a good while and mileage. People will get a bee on their bonnet about certain pads, but the best I have found for consistency is always OEM. Of course, OEM prices may not be best. It is worth finding out who made your calipers and finding out where else they are used. They are quite likely to be Nissin and if this is the case it is quite likely many Hondas will use the same pad - and for this reason David Silver spares can be very useful for buying OEM Nissin pads branded as Honda parts. If you are really lucky you'll find someone selling Nissin branded pads too, and typical prices would be around £14 to £15 a set.

I've got Lucas pads in my front brakes. Really.They're fine.

Recommendations ? Try something different and see how you get on with them. Each to his own and all that....I've used Kyoto in the past and never had any problems with them. Mind you that was only on dirt bikes, nothing but Carbone Lorraine A3 for the ZRX.I supplied someone with some Gold Fren S compound pads for A ZX7R recently and he reckoned they were better than EBC HHs.The 650 V Strom uses EBC equivalent FA229 and FA231 pads, in Tokico calipers, the same as loads of other Suzukis and Kawasakis, so the OEM pads will be made by Toyo.FA 229 KAWASAKIZR-X 400 E3 (ZR 400 E3) 96 F(left)ER-5 ER 500 C1/C3 01-03 FKLR 650 C1-C8 95-03 FZR 750 D1 €œZephyr€ 96- F(left)ZR-7 (ZR 750 F1/F3/F5) 99-03 F(left)ZR-7S (ZR 750 H1/H2) 01-03 F(left)VN 800 C1/C2/E1/E2/E3 'Drifter' 99-03 FVN 800 B1-B8 €œClassic€ 96-03 FGPZ 1100 E1/E2/F1 95-98 F(left)ZR 1100 B1 '€œZephyr€ 96-97 F(left)ZR 1100 B5 (Zephyr 1100 RS) 02 F(left)VN 1500 D1/D2/E1/E2 €œClassic€ 96-99 FVN 1500 G1/G2 Classic Tourer 98-00 F(left)VN 1500 J1/J2/R1/R2/R3 Drifter 99-03 FVN 1500 L1/L2/L3/L4 €œNomad Fi€ 00-03 F(left)VN 1500 N1/N2/N3 Classic Fi 00-03 FVN 1600 A1 03 F(left)SUZUKITU 250 GY/GBK1 Grass Tracker/Big Boy NJ47A-117/123) 00-01 FGSX 600 FW/FX/FY/FK1/FK2/FK3 98-03 F(left)GSF 600 Y/SY/K1/SK1/K2/SK2 Bandit 00-03 F(left)SV 650 X/Y/K1/K2/K3 99-03 F(left)SV 650 SX/SY/SK1/SK2/SK3 99-03 F(left)GSX 750 FW/FX/FY/FK1/FK2 98-02 F(left)GSX 750 W/X/Y 98-03 F(left)DL 1000 K2/K3/SK3/K3 V-Strom 02-03 F(left)VL 1500 K2/K3 02-03 F(left)FA231BJ 250 F1/F2 (250 TR) 02-03 F ZR 250 B6 (Balius II) 02 F 43082 1188ZR-X 400 E3 (ZR 400 E3) 96 F(right) 43082 1203W 650 (EJ 650-A1/C3/C4/C5) 99-03 F 43082 1226ZR 750 D1 'Zephyr' 96- F(right) 43082 1232ZR-7 (ZR 750 F1/F3/F5) 99-03 F(right)&R 43082 1235ZR-7S (ZR 750 H1/H2) 01-03 F(right)&R 43082 1243VN 800 C1/C2/E1/E2/E3 'Drifter' 99-03 R 43082 1246GPz 1100 E1/E2/F1 95-98 F(right) 43082 1248ZR 1100 B1 'Zephyr' 96-97 F(right) 4 3082 1260ZR 1100 B5 (Zephyr 1100 RS) 02 F(right) 43082 1264VN 1500 G1/G2 Classic Tourer 98-99 F(right) 43082 1265VN 1500 J1/J2/R1/R2/R3 Drifter 99-03 R 43082 1280VN 1500 L1/L2/L3/L4 €œNomad Fi€ 00-03 F(right)&R 43082 1283VN 1500 N1/N2/N3 €œClassic Fi€ 00-03 R 59100 33830VN 1500 P1/P2 Mean Streak 02-03 R 59100 33850VN 1600 A1 03 F(right)&R 59100 33870SUZUKI 59101 33810RV 125 K2/K3 Van-van 02-03 F 59101 33820RV 200 K2/K3 02-03 F 59101 33830GSX 250 FXK2 02 59101 33850TU 250 XTX/X/XTY 59102 33810(NJ47A-115) Volty 99-00 F 59102 33840GS 500 ET/EV/EW/EX/EY/K1/K2/K3 96-03 F K 4308-21203GSF 600 Y/SY/K1/SY1/K2/SK2/SK3/K3 Bandit 00-03 F(right)GSX 600 FW/FX/FY/FK1/FK2/FK3 98-03 F(right) SV 650 X/Y/K1/K2/K3 99-03 F(right)SV 650 SX/SY/SK1/SK2/SK3 99-03 F(right) XF 650 V/W/X/Y Freewind 97-02 FGSX 750 FW/FX/FY/FK1/FK2/FK3 98-03 F(right)GSX 750 W/X/Y 98-03 F(right) VL 800 K1/K2/K3 'Intruder Volusia' 01-03 F VZ 800 V/W/X/Y/K1/K2 Marauder 97-03 FDL 1000 K2/K3 V-strom 02-03 F(right) VL 1500 K2/K3 02-03 F(right) Vesrah VD-352SBS704FerodoFDB2049Dunlopad DP323

Some bikes have different pads on left and right?WTF?

moto748 wrote

Some bikes have different pads on left and right?WTF?

2 pot calipers, that slide on the carrier pins, tend to have handed pads.

Ta. Sounds rubbish, though. Reminds my of my old Honda Wetdream...

Sorry I've not replied - been away.I haven't done anything with the pads yet, I can live with them for now - I assumed that by buying cheap I'd made a mistake, but at least nobody's come up with any stories of catastrophic failure. One thing on my mind is I'm thinking of selling the bike on, and I don't want to sell it in a dangerous condition.Re bedding in: yes, they've done 1000 miles; what's odd is that the feel hasn't changed in that time - they still feel like the day I put them on, when I assumed it was just that they needed bedding in. Discs are fine, no scoring, hardly worn.I'll put it down to experience - being fairly new to bikes I didn't appreciate just how much difference a set of pads would make to braking feel (unlike most cars). Thanks all

I have allways had good results with Ferodo's. Not allways easy to find but very good pads and seem to work well on whatever bike. 2nd choice I use dunlopad, tent to stay away from OEM, eastern brands or EBC's (though HH's are ive found are very good at the expense of disk wear). Normal EBC are weak and make a lot of mess.Kev

Sheepy1209 wrote

It's price and getting hold of them - all the local Suzuki dealers are falling down like flies....... just wondered what I should be looking for if not oem

I used a set of EBC pads on my bandit which uses that same caliper, they were the organic brand iirc. They felt like the OE to me.

Sorry to drag up an old thread, needed some info on Kyoto pads and this thread popped up, intersting reading.Had my bike serviced a while ago and asked for new Honda pads to be fitted in the front. Dropped the bike off in the morning and asked if they'd managed to get the OE pads, was told yes. Picked the bike up later, again asked if they'd fitted OE pads, told yes. Got home and checked the pads which were blue, phoned mechanic to query this and was told that they are from the same makers, just not branded as OE pads. Did about 800 miles on them, they weren't as good as the OE pads, squeeze the brake lever and it was nothing, not much, then sharp braking eventually, but they seemed OK. One day I got caught in a very heavy downpour, squeezed the front, nothing, squeezed more, still nothing, squeezed heavily, fuck all Fortunately the rear OE pads did the job (the rear is usually crap compared to the front, not with these pads in the front though). Unfortunately for me, this happened late at night and I was off on a biking holiday early the next morning, so stopped off at a Honda dealer and got some OE pads just in case. Sure enough, the next heavy downpour and the front brakes failed to give anything at all Had to do the rest of the journey lightly squeezing the brake lever when accelerating on straights to get any joy out of the pads on reaching a corner. IMHO, these pads are fucking dangerous in heavy rain, though seem OK in light rainI'll be paying the mechanic a visit in the morning, cunt charged me for OE pads even though the Kyoto's are less than a tenner a set (one seller even offers free P&P in this price).BTW, I've done over 56k miles on OE pads so know how they should feel in heavy rain

KFZ wrote

I have allways had good results with Ferodo's. Not allways easy to find but very good pads and seem to work well on whatever bike. 2nd choice I use dunlopad, tent to stay away from OEM, eastern brands or EBC's (though HH's are ive found are very good at the expense of disk wear). Normal EBC are weak and make a lot of mess.Kev

I'm using some ferrodo platinum and they seem a bit lacking in the stoping stakes without lots of lever travel.

I've done loads of miles on my CB1, tried -EBC HH: they do chew discs but work OK.EBC normal compound: are okay but not special. Seem to glaze badly.nissin OE pads: the best all round and last ages.Ferrodo (HH? from Halfords on a Sunday afternoon): never again. Rubbish.Now I put a 40mm brembo 4-pot caliper on. Are OE pads a financially viable choice and are they any good The caliper is off a Cagiva Mito but it's the same as any number of other Ducatis, Aprilias, Guzzis of a certain vintage.The front pads will be up for changing from the current EBC organics before long, so some advice would be appreciated!

This thread bouncing reminded me to do an update.I gave up in the end, bought a set of EBC HHs for the front and EBC organic for the rear - changed the lot.Absolutely-bloody-luvverly! If I hadn't experienced it myself I wouldn't believe what a difference a set of pads makes. Those Kyoto things are so bad they're dangerous.It's not a case of needing flash pads for on the limit riding - even on a 50cc scooter these things could be fatal.

blessmycg wrote

I've done loads of miles on my CB1, tried -EBC HH: they do chew discs but work OK.EBC normal compound: are okay but not special. Seem to glaze badly.nissin OE pads: the best all round and last ages.Ferrodo (HH? from Halfords on a Sunday afternoon): never again. Rubbish.Now I put a 40mm brembo 4-pot caliper on. Are OE pads a financially viable choice and are they any good The caliper is off a Cagiva Mito but it's the same as any number of other Ducatis, Aprilias, Guzzis of a certain vintage.The front pads will be up for changing from the current EBC organics before long, so some advice would be appreciated!

I quite like the carbon lorraines on mine at the mo.

blessmycg wrote

I've done loads of miles on my CB1, tried -EBC HH: they do chew discs but work OK.EBC normal compound: are okay but not special. Seem to glaze badly.nissin OE pads: the best all round and last ages.Ferrodo (HH? from Halfords on a Sunday afternoon): never again. Rubbish.Now I put a 40mm brembo 4-pot caliper on. Are OE pads a financially viable choice and are they any good The caliper is off a Cagiva Mito but it's the same as any number of other Ducatis, Aprilias, Guzzis of a certain vintage.The front pads will be up for changing from the current EBC organics before long, so some advice would be appreciated!

This may seem a bit random, but my Yamaha XT660x has a brembo four pot front caliper and the oe pads are superb. They've lasted 16k miles and are still going strong, plus they stop the bike superbly and give loads of feel. I've no idea what make they are but would be worth a go. They are pricey at £30 a pair but are great and last ages.

johnnyXTX wrote

This may seem a bit random, but my Yamaha XT660x has a brembo four pot front caliper and the oe pads are superb. They've lasted 16k miles and are still going strong, plus they stop the bike superbly and give loads of feel. I've no idea what make they are but would be worth a go. They are pricey at £30 a pair but are great and last ages.

if it's the 40mm brembo with the pad mounted on one pin? that could be a good tip - thanks

I've just had a look and its 65mm with two pins I'll see if I can find any info about a make on them anywhere.

Go for Goldfren, very cheap but better than EBC. Don't buy off FleaBay as there are many imitations about, Make sure you always buy genuine Gold-Fren as I have for my bandits from motorcycle products. Kyotos are okay only for smaller bikes, they work great on my CG125 

Seen some right rubbish in this thread for one Kyoto are not japanese nor are they oem no manufactirer use them there made in China and imported by a comapany called Sifam and they are then bought in by dealers in the UK . They are crap pads simple . Now There are another brand and look distinctively different from the french ones these are imported again from China by a compnay called Hi level in Doncaster now Gold Fren are marginally better made in the Czech Republic again imported by Hi Level in Doncaster and sold on to the trade . If you want a good pad go for EBC Carbonne Lorraine ( albeit a bit hard on discs ) Ferrodo , Brembo or any other well known make . The later ones are all oem pads honda dont make pads nor do any of the bike makers same as plugs or fuel systems they sub contract all this out Mikuni , Keihin , NGK Champion etc etc the list goes on . But please guys these cheap pads are exactly that cheap and are safety critical you can get the better known brands quite cheap in comparison now a days with Ebay etc but be under no illusions these Kyoto pads are made in a factory in China and no where else .   

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