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Well I looked this morning.My PM box is full.My attachments allowance is all used up.Presumably there'll now be ads all over the place too if I start using VD today.I have to say this is another example of how the whole Genitalia deal was simply not thought through properly. The words "piss-up" and "brewery" spring to mind, but then the thought of the money attached to the deal probably blinded Ben to the detail... Of course, the easiest option would be to re-open the susbcription system and then Ben and Genitalia could work out what to do with the subs received afterwards. But that's probably too easy and straightforward...

OB wrote

Oh. OK. Part of me says that the PMs and Ad thing was worth the £10, so if you do in future consider a premium account, please let us know.

Completely agree!<-----Wants a premium account !

CaptainBlue wrote

My PM box is full.My attachments allowance is all used up.Presumably there'll now be ads all over the place too if I start using VD today.

There are indeed and I daren't modify my profile or my custom user title might disappear too

Just like to say it's a shame it has happened but I'm sure it will be sorted but in the mean time FireFox Ad-Blocker works very well once set up.

Sirus wrote

FireFox Ad-Blocker works very well once set up.

This is true, but my default (and preferred) browser is IE7.That could well address the ads. issue but not the rest

Admin wrote

Thanks for your replies. If you want to quickly lower your total, just delete all PMs in your sent items, alternatively, you can backup all your PMs in a text file, by clicking this link:www.visordown.com/forums/private.php?do=downloadpm&dowhat=txtYou can find that link at the bottom right of your PM display page.We will be running something similar to the Supporter scheme in the future and I'll let you know more about this when I've got more info. Right now, I don't have anything to report.

Soon please Ben, the Ads are pissing me off big time (one can only take so much BMW advertising!) and would like the PM limit back and everything else.Hope you get something sorted soon!

Bonners wrote

I thought it was a 100 pms so reduced mine to that, it would appear if I'd have read the thread properly it is actually 50 Good news is that it doesnt actually delete any of them, so I just need to work out which ones to keep now.

I reduced mine to 19 and exceedingly irritating it was to have to do it. Ended up just deleting 'em wholesale The ads make browsing at work a pain....and...having coughed up two years subs a) primarily to help fund the server stuff etc and b) secondarily to take advantage of the other stuff, I now have this annoyed feeling that won't go away that the approach is going to be to irritate me into becoming a subscriber, if and when the option is ever offered.Why couldn't the supporters benefits be extended (without further payment) until the new one is dreamed up? As it is, if I'm anything like typical, a lot of the people that coughed up early when the supporter thing kicked off - are now the ones that are going to be most brassed off. Not crying in my beer about it, but it's all pretty crap PR imo and I think you're all doing well to be so polite about it.

Just received the dreaded "Your access to the paid subscription "Become a supporter!" is about to expire." mail. I'll be downloading all my PMs as a text file, so I'll have a record of those at least, then I'm off outta here. (Having ads popping up while I'm at work is a no-no - and I have no way of blocking them here. Seeing's I do most of my posting from work there's little point in me staying.) This used to be like a 2nd home. I've made a lot of friends here and I'll miss it. A lot. Looks like I'll be taking up permanent residency here: www.ktmforum.co.uk So long

Sting wrote

I didn't receive any TWO offer via PM or mail?? Was it any good?

Me neither?

Count Steer wrote

I reduced mine to 19 and exceedingly irritating I was to have to do it. Ended up just deleting 'em wholesale The ads make browsing at work a pain....and...having coughed up two years subs a) primarily to help fund the server stuff etc and b) secondarily to take advantage of the other stuff, I now have this annoyed feeling that won't go away that the approach is going to be to irritate me into becoming a subscriber, if and when the option is ever offered. Why couldn't the supporters benefits be extended (without further payment) until the new one is dreamed up? As it is, if I'm anything like typical, a lot of the people that coughed up early when the supporter thing kicked off - are now the ones that are going to be most brassed off. Not crying in my beer about it, but it's all pretty crap PR imo and I think you're all doing well to be so polite about it.

I agree entirely, I'm just trying to be fair about it and hope it is just a case of Ben fucking up (which I am fairly certain is the case). Hopefullt he will see with all the replies to this that, yes, we all know it must be difficult, as in effect he is setting up a whole new business, but some members of the site are more than a little peeved. I know you want to get it right, and fully appreciate you dont want to make any more fuck ups, but please sort it out soon. My main things are exactly what the supporters scheme offered:

  • no ads
  • user title changes
  • bigger pm limits
  • bigger attachment limits

Another idea, how about setting up another thread in here just for peeps' opinions on what they would like to see on a new supporter/subscriber scheme, and what they would be willing to pay? I would presume that those who replied would be those who were most bothered and you would get a better idea of what people want without having to search through loads of threads.

Oh shit... I'd forgotten about the attachment limits as well.... I've got feckin loads to sort out now... would just delete em all, but there's a fair few bits that are from technical threads that might be useful to others again in the future....This sucks arse most comprehensively. C'mon admin .... sort it aaaaahtt.... please

Bonners wrote

hope it is just a case of Ben fucking up (which I am fairly certain is the case).

But that's the whole point: it wasn't a fuck-up, it was a conscious decision by Benitalia to stop the subscriptions. He's said there is no replacement for it and of course magazine publishing is driven by advertising, so that's probably what they're expecting here to make money off the site and to recoup their investment.The fact that to the end user it comprehensively sucks is neither here nor there ... or at least it won't be until we all turn our backs on them.Since they took over there's been one "fuck-up" after another and frankly blaming Ben's incompetence each time is starting to strain belief.And what happened to the words of wisdom from the racers supposedly spending time in the trackday forum? Conspicuous by their absence. No surprise there either.

Can someone tell me what the attachment limit is as i have deleted 100 of the buggers from a few years ago and still am over the limit but dont know how many more are going to have to go .This sucks as i used to take loads of piccies at race meetings for those out playing and easter tour pics are going to be deleted too from some of the earlier ones

Bigyin wrote

Can someone tell me what the attachment limit is as i have deleted 100 of the buggers from a few years ago and still am over the limit but dont know how many more are going to have to go .This sucks as i used to take loads of piccies at race meetings for those out playing and easter tour pics are going to be deleted too from some of the earlier ones

Dunno. I just deleted the lot.

Even after I went in and removed loads of attachments I'm still over the limit, looks like the Gallery is now going to suffer big time along with quite a few other forums I was one of those who tried to get Ben to do a sub thing years back and was glad when he did it, just hope he or who ever is pulling the strings now get something sorted soon, already stopped browsing at work due to the ads and the huge red banner and VD is one of the few non-work related sites allowed.Only thing I will say is I don't really want a subscription to a mag I will never read, 99% of my reading (and I don't do much) is now online rather than paper, anything for a greener life

Jack wrote

Only thing I will say is I don't really want a subscription to a mag I will never read, 99% of my reading (and I don't do much) is now online rather than paper, anything for a greener life

If supporter status = magazine subscriber status then I suspect Magicalia just bought a dodo.

Bit cheesed off about the attachment limit thing as it looks like I am going to have to delete loads in order to be able to post any more pics.Yes I know its possible to use a third party hosting blah blah blah but its a pain in the arse not being able to just quickly post a pic to show someone a technical detail or whatever.Not that bothered about the PM limit cos as long as I keep an eye on it I can delete the non essential stuff.For me it was worth the tenner but now it seems the adverts are worth more than the tenner.Great, I love ads

Abel wrote

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Posting anodyne shit like that won't helpBen's shrugging apologia on another thread won't eitherI suggest that the VD management get their arses into gear and start communicating with the punters, otherwise it's going to be another MCN. And we all know where the grognard members of that went...None of this will affect me, I'm here for life. Karma heh? ...and all this whinging was to be expected as the 'jump on the supporters bandwagon' subs all ran out at exactly the same time. So no surprise Me PM box is full too, so no use trying to send me a 'stop moaning or fuck off' missive

Count Steer wrote

If supporter status = magazine subscriber status then I suspect Magicalia just bought a dodo.

Agreed. If I wanted to subscribe to TWO I would have done. Fact is, I've never bought an issue as it just doesn't look that good...If they want to tout a TWO sub as a way to getting VD sub, then it's just not worth it as far as I'm concerned.

moth wrote

Posting anodyne shit like that won't help

Hey, its a suggestion to help in the short term.(i.e don't delete any attachments, just don't add any more and use photobox or similar in the mean time)Take it or leave it, I REALLY dont give a shit.I agree action is required.However I'm sure there are a lot more things involved in running the site than simply ensuring the users don't have to use email/MSN or any other form of contact open to them, or that they don't have to use a third party image hosting site.I'm also sure that Admin has set the priority accordingly and will get round to it just as soon as he can.But hey, if you all want to leave in the meantime, simply cos you cant overuse ONE form of messaging open to you on the site and have to host pics elsewhere, that surely is your prerogative.As for the adverts, not my bag baby.

Abel wrote

Hey, its a suggestion to help in the short term.(i.e don't delete any attachments, just don't add any more and use photobox or similar in the mean time)Take it or leave it, I REALLY dont give a shit.I agree action is required.However I'm sure there are a lot more things involved in running the site than simply ensuring the users don't have to use email/MSN or any other form of contact open to them, or that they don't have to use a third party image hosting site.I'm also sure that Admin has set the priority accordingly and will get round to it just as soon as he can.But hey, if you all want to leave in the meantime, simply cos you cant overuse ONE form of messaging open to you on the site and have to host pics elsewhere, that surely is your prerogative.As for the adverts, not my bag baby.

I've always used photobucket to host the amusing images I've posted on here Adam, so no skin off my noseI really don't know why I bothered having a moan TBH, loss of supporting membership status really doesn't impact on my use of VD (except the slimmer PM box), it would be nice if the owner(s) engaged with the proles a little more thoughThanks for not employing the smileys BTW

moth wrote

I've always used photobucket to host the amusing images I've posted on here Adam, so no skin off my nose

Me too for a lot of them. And I really don't have to.

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I really don't know why I bothered having a moan TBH,

Cos like many round here, and like us squaddies, yer only happy when yer moaning.

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loss of supporting membership status really doesn't impact on my use of VD (except the slimmer PM box),

Quite.As I see it people are concerned about three areas:PMs50 PMs is plenty if you download/delete the old ones. VD also allows people to email each other direct if the user allows, and gives you the ability to add users to various third party instant messagers. its not like a smaller PM limit prevents people contacting each other.AttachmentsThere are plenty of good free third party hosts out there, and if nothing else pretty much all ISPs give away free web space to their customers.AdvertsA fact of internet life unfortunatley.Don't like em? Download something to block em.Hardly the end of the world all three of them are they?Ok, so you don't like change. You will live.(thats a generic "you" btw, not specifically you - moth)

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it would be nice if the owner(s) engaged with the proles a little more though.

So Admin hasn't talked with people?

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Thanks for not employing the smileys BTW

They only come out when people are being stupid. You weren't.

Bigyin wrote

Can someone tell me what the attachment limit is as i have deleted 100 of the buggers from a few years ago and still am over the limit but dont know how many more are going to have to go .

I didnt think it was that hard a question..........i know there are other alternatives for hosting pics but i thought it was a fairly simple question to say that its XX number of MB's limit per person on attachments so i know what i have to get rid of or host elsewhere.......................nowhere on this thread does it confirm it any definative answer??

Bigyin wrote

I didnt think it was that hard a question..........i know there are other alternatives for hosting pics but i thought it was a fairly simple question to say that its XX number of MB's limit per person on attachments so i know what i have to get rid of or host elsewhere.......................nowhere on this thread does it confirm it any definative answer??

Ooooooooh! Get her!

Abel wrote

Ooooooooh! Get her!

still waiting then i guess for something that should be easy for a straight answer

Bigyin wrote

still waiting then i guess for something that should be easy for a straight answer

Well as you obviously know how easy it is to find the answer, you wont be needing me to do so will you?Oops, forgot the

Abel wrote

PMs

Not overly worried as me box is never full

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Attachments

Yep there are plenty of free hosting sites out there, I have free webspace with my ISP so I use that and link in to albums as needed, ie VD Easter tours but it doesn't allow for single pic links. I already had somewhere to host single pics so why would I want another place just to host links into VD Sad thing is I went through my attachments and removed loads but I'm still over the limit, most of those are recent-ish threads, now I will delete more stuff and anyone looking in a thread will just see the dreaded red X, this will become the norm throught VD eventually

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AdvertsA fact of internet life unfortunatley.

Very true and very sad, was ok with them at the top of the page but now in the middle of a thread it just gets annoying Yes I could DL a blocker but why should I, I use several other forums daily, this is the only one that has ads in the middle of threads and this is the only forum I am willing to subscribe to, work that one out

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Hardly the end of the world ...

But we all love a moan

Abel wrote

50 PMs is plenty if you download/delete the old ones.

Strange then that some subscribers felt that upping it to 250 was part of the incentive to be a supporter. If 50 is plenty I don't suppose that the new deal (whenever it happens) will offer more PM space...because 50 is plenty eh?Still, nice to know that the mods struggle along with the same limit as an example to us all eh?

Jack wrote

I already had somewhere to host single pics so why would I want another place just to host links into VD

Cos at the moment you don't?

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Sad thing is I went through my attachments and removed loads but I'm still over the limit, most of those are recent-ish threads, now I will delete more stuff and anyone looking in a thread will just see the dreaded red X, this will become the norm throught VD eventually

Do existing attachments no longer work if you are over the limit?

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Yes I could DL a blocker but why should I

Because the site has adverts and you don't want to see them. Simple innit?

Count Steer wrote

Strange then that some subscribers felt that upping it to 250 was part of the incentive to be a supporter. If 50 is plenty I don't suppose that the new deal (whenever it happens) will offer more PM space...because 50 is plenty eh?

No idea, that is Admins bag.

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Still, nice to know that the mods struggle along with the same limit as an example to us all eh?

Why would I want to keep PMs of people asking to have their names changed and threads deleted etc?50 is plenty thanks.

Abel wrote

Well as you obviously know how easy it is to find the answer, you wont be needing me to do so will you?Oops, forgot the

forget the and have the "fuck you" you just sent me when i asked the same simple question of you you must have spent so long arguing with everyone else recently that its an automatic response ........ no need for it adam and all it took was a "its XX megs" or whateverbut you decided to meet it head on and push back against it like everything else laters

Bigyin wrote

forget the and have the "fuck you" you just sent me when i asked the same simple question of you you must have spent so long arguing with everyone else recently that its an automatic response ........ no need for it adam and all it took was a "its XX megs" or whateverbut you decided to meet it head on and push back against it like everything else laters

You chose to go on the offensive. I simply replied in kind.Like I said on MSN, you could have simply asked if I had seen the question(I hadn't) and if I could answer it (I can't - no idea). Instead you chose to make out I was deliberately ignoring you.Like you said. No need for it.

Abel wrote

Do existing attachments no longer work if you are over the limit?

I believe they still do... mine appear to...But I'd like to know how long that will continue to happen.... or whether attachments over the limit will just be deleted after a while?It's no big deal to post any further attachments to photobucket instead, but there's a fair bit of stuff that I've uploaded to VD, whether it be photos from VD meets, or technical stuff, that would seem daft to lose.... but the time involved to sort it all, re-host it on photobucket, then re-link the pics in VD threads..... If anyone's able (or abel ) to let us know what the chances are that they'll be deleted, then I'd really appreciate it...

Even the quick reply box has shrunk now my subscription has expired......

stoo wrote

I believe they still do... mine appear to...

Quite. My point in its entirety.Yet some have felt the need to panic delete all their attachments and then moan as if that is our fault.

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But I'd like to know how long that will continue to happen.... or whether attachments over the limit will just be deleted after a while?If anyone's able (or abel ) to let us know what the chances are that they'll be deleted, then I'd really appreciate it...

As far as I am aware they will not be deleted, (if they were going to be it would have been an automatic thing at the time your sub ran out - we aren't the kind of people to waste our time by manually removing them!) however I will confirm with Admin and get back to you.

TRX n Me = ) wrote

Even the quick reply box has shrunk now my subscription has expired......

That was a result of a software upload last night.And again really no biggy.

Abel wrote

As I see it people are concerned about three areas:PMs50 PMs is plenty if you download/delete the old ones. VD also allows people to email each other direct if the user allows, and gives you the ability to add users to various third party instant messagers. its not like a smaller PM limit prevents people contacting each other.

It's no big deal for me, but I can see how it's useful to have a load of PMs in one, easy to find place when you're arranging a rideo-out, rather than having to sort through a load of e-mails - I receive roughly 1,000 a day...

Abel wrote

AttachmentsThere are plenty of good free third party hosts out there, and if nothing else pretty much all ISPs give away free web space to their customers.

This is true, but then some ISPs also have traffic limits on their storage. And Photobucket's all very well and good when integrated into vBulletin as it is on a board I admin. but otherwise it's not as easy for a poster to upload an image separately, then get the link code then come to VD to post their thread or reply as it would be to simply do it all from the new thread or new reply windows.

Abel wrote

AdvertsA fact of internet life unfortunatley.Don't like em? Download something to block em.

Jack wrote

Yes I could DL a blocker but why should I, I use several other forums daily, this is the only one that has ads in the middle of threads and this is the only forum I am willing to subscribe to, work that one out

Precisely. And blocking all ads. isn't an option for those of us who have to be able to test web sites with ads. in them for clients.And ads are only a fact of life on the Internet on sites where the owners are seeking to make money from them. The ZRXOC runs ad-free relying on donations from members to support it. Makes it a far nicer place to visit without them.The fact that we're willing to pay a sub to lose them and you don't want to take our money beggars belief.

Abel wrote

That was a result of a software upload last night.And again really no biggy.

You're right: it's not biggy at all. Pathetically small, TBH, to be of any use

CaptainBlue wrote

It's no big deal for me, but I can see how it's useful to have a load of PMs in one, easy to find place when you're arranging a ride-out

I cant. And I organise loads of them.That's what the days out forum is for.I'm not gonna argue the toss over the other points.That IS the way things stand at this point in time.Hopefully that will change sometime, but in the mean time there is nothing I can do about it.Use the suggested workarounds, find alternatives, or just carry on moaning.I have tried to help, and will continue to do so, but it seems some round here just can't/won't accept it.Makes no difference to me.

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You're right: it's not biggy at all. Pathetically small, TBH, to be of any use

Sure. And you can pointlessly bitch about it in here, or do something useful and post in "Oi Admin" and ask Jimbo if he can sort it out back to the old size. Again your choice, and it's fairly clear which path you and many others will choose.

Abel wrote

Quite. My point in its entirety.Yet some have felt the need to panic delete all their attachments and then moan as if that is our fault.As far as I am aware they will not be deleted, (if they were going to be it would have been an automatic thing at the time your sub ran out - we aren't the kind of people to waste our time by manually removing them!) however I will confirm with Admin and get back to you.

Cheers feller!

Abel wrote

I'm not gonna argue the toss over the other points.

Oh, OK then...

Abel wrote

And you can pointlessly bitch about it in here, or do something useful and post in "Oi Admin" and ask Jimbo if he can sort it out back to the old size. Again your choice, and it's fairly clear which path you and many others will choose.

Yeah, 'scuse me for thinking you're an admin

Abel wrote

Cos at the moment you don't?

Think something got lost in translation there I already have webspace to host pics, its where I put the Easter ride out stuff etc and I just post a link to the complete album. Due to it being a semi locked website I cannot link to individual pics, would have to do individual albums and link to them, no fun at all. But I don't really want to open up yet another account, on another website just to host one off pics

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Do existing attachments no longer work if you are over the limit?

Yes they still work but I am now over my limit so would not be able to add anymore, this was the reason for removing pics that were in old threads, due to being still over the limit I will remove more, this is what I meant about leaving current threads with the X in place of pics

Abel wrote

Quite. My point in its entirety.Yet some have felt the need to panic delete all their attachments and then moan as if that is our fault.

Its not a panic delete, it was just trying to get back to a realistic size for attachements and I don't think anyone has moaned about it so much, asking what the size limit is on the other hand

CaptainBlue wrote

Yeah, 'scuse me for thinking you're an admin

I am. Im just not a software developer. Jimbo is. And the correct place to bring it to his attention would be Oi Admin.Your choice.

Jack wrote

Think something got lost in translation there I already have webspace to host pics, its where I put the Easter ride out stuff etc and I just post a link to the complete album. Due to it being a semi locked website I cannot link to individual pics, would have to do individual albums and link to them, no fun at all. But I don't really want to open up yet another account, on another website just to host one off pics

AGAIN, your choice.Photobucket really isn't too hard to use. Nobody is forcing you to delete existing attachments. There ARE workarounds as highlighted in my previous posts.

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they still work but I am now over my limit so would not be able to add anymore, this was the reason for removing pics that were in old threads, due to being still over the limit I will remove more, this is what I meant about leaving current threads with the X in place of pics

AGAIN, there is STILL no need to delete them all.

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Its not a panic delete, it was just trying to get back to a realistic size for attachements and I don't think anyone has moaned about it so much, asking what the size limit is on the other hand

And AGAIN, I don't know, if I did I would be sure to let you know.

Workarounds are always piss-poor.Still, I'm sure the ads. more than compensate for the lost subscriber money Trickier to quantify is the effect on the former subscribers...

Abel wrote

But hey, if you all want to leave in the meantime, simply cos you cant overuse ONE form of messaging open to you on the site and have to host pics elsewhere, that surely is your prerogative.

No dude it's this kind of attitude that pisses people off :

Abel wrote

Hey, its a suggestion to help in the short term.Take it or leave it, I REALLY dont give a shit.

You'd like people to stop moaning, maybe to stop questioning decisions but when faced with such concern as displayed above you're bound to get nothing but problems instead of praise.

CaptainBlue wrote

Workarounds are always piss-poor.

Ya don't say?Thats probably why I said:

Abel wrote

I agree action is required.However I'm sure there are a lot more things involved in running the site than simply ensuring the users don't have to use email/MSN or any other form of contact open to them, or that they don't have to use a third party image hosting site.I'm also sure that Admin has set the priority accordingly and will get round to it just as soon as he can.

The FACT is, no change is gonna happen over night, hence I have suggested workarounds in the mean time. I know its not ideal, but it is all there is for me to offer at this moment in time. As soon as something is worked out for the better we will let you know.What more do you want? Blood?

clagg wrote

No dude it's this kind of attitude that pisses people off.

No dude, that isn't attitude.It is me saying I have done all I can to try and help, until such a time as we can offer you more. Whether you chose to take that help or not, I don't care.Throw it back in my face if you like. I'm sure plenty will.It is NOT me saying I don't give a shit about the users of the site, which you seem to be suggesting.If you read more into it, that is your mistake.

... have we heard yet when this is going to be 'reviewed'

Abel wrote

What more do you want? Blood?

Hmm. I wonder who'd be better placed to get some? I was thinking about this thread as I was sticking a VD sticker to my car numberplate and another to the bike trailer.I'm very supportive of VD and its Admins. which is why I care when things go tits-up. Despite appearances to the contrary, my criticism is intended to be constructive rather than just whining and bitching.

Diablo wrote

... have we heard yet when this is going to be 'reviewed'

Already done. I gave it 4/10. Mainly because the ads are a pain in the arse.

CaptainBlue wrote

Hmm. I wonder who'd be better placed to get some? I was thinking about this thread as I was sticking a VD sticker to my car numberplate and another to the bike trailer.I'm very supportive of VD and its Admins. which is why I care when things go tits-up. Despite appearances to the contrary, my criticism is intended to be constructive rather than just whining and bitching.

Its really not coming across as such.I've told you the facts. I've told you the workarounds, which is all we can offer at this time. Yet yer still having a go.There is nothing more I can offer.

Abel wrote

Its really not coming across as such.(

I didn't think it was from your reaction. The problem with no non-verbal cues.

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