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johnnybravo wrote

now you're talking! as long as its the brolly dolly giving me the rub, rather than you geez

{flounce} You're so dumped!

johnnybravo wrote

i dont know if you're aware of this but i know of at least one organiser that provides them,

No, I wasn't aware of this.

johnnybravo wrote

they could have arrangements with people selling parts, or the tyre guys etc.

Grip 'n' Rip tend to come along to the Folly days, so the customers could always sort something out directly with them?

johnnybravo wrote

one in particular has a larger market share in that respect

Yes they do. And because of that and the way they fill their days from what I've read here, they can usually undercut most of the other TDOs. As has already been said, price still seems to be the major factor

CaptainBlue wrote

What's so difficult about building things up for your your first two or three laps to get the tyres up to temperature?It's not a race, after all...

It was a cold day & I thought I was building up the temperatures in the tyres when I throw my bike down the road, It was only just above freezing though, first crash in over 25 years so maybe just a little over confident,But back to the subject I would just like to see better policing, if I am doing anything wrong and don't know about it I can't put it right, and I think there a few people who don't know they are in the way or have bad lines and people find it hard to pass them and end up with some bad overtakes on them and this seems to be were most of the complaints come from

orangevest (not verified)

Your tyres are designed to go through 5-6 heat cycles and then are knackered by using warmers they get hot in the morning and are kept hot all day till they cool down at the end, which could mean 1 heat cycle,Cold tyre tear reduces your contact patch with the tarmac and can result in a crash just as much as cold tyres,Trickbits UK are on most of Fe`s days and will hire warmers and stands, really though in my my opinion anybody that rides to a track day is a bit mad

But do you need tyre warmers on road tyres? Probably not...That may well be true of slicks.

orangevest wrote

I cannot believe how you lot keep slagging off tdo`s, If your that pissed off with them all start your own company and do it better,

orangevest wrote

No one has slagged you ofF you fucking mug,

You posted a collective slagging off aimed at everyone who's posted on this thread, which was supposed to be a discussion of ideas and opinions on how TDO's can improve themselves. Perhaps we should all shut up as everythings great on the other side of the fence according to you.I took offence as you've made no contribution to this thread yourself and are annoying everyone here with your posts on other threads.

orangevest wrote

240 riders don`t commute all together do they, I`ve had 5 mates killed on the road 1 of them 3 weeks back.

oh please, nor do 240 trackdayers go out on track all at once either.

orangevest wrote

If you want to boo hoo me name your date and track and do it to my face you brave twat. none of the money you pay comes to us and like i said if your that unhappy start your own tdo or just spend the rest of your life hiding behind a computer, MUPPET

Threatening customers now, the shame. Please post something more constructive than "if you don't like it start your own TDO".

anyway .......just regarding the hiring out of tyre warmers - paddock stands etc how much would be considered a reasonable amount to hire a set of tyre warmers & paddock stands (plus extension lead) for the day I hire out track bikes (can't say anymore or I might be illegally advertising) and this includes tyre warmers etc etc - I was hoping to get into hiring out one peice leathers as time goes on - hadn't thought about just tyre warmers & stands - but could do it next year if there's a demand - anyhow feedback appreciated - cheers :burnout:

dodge wrote

(can't say anymore or I might be illegally advertising)

Whatever you do don't look at the link in his sig then Good idea for the warmers and stands. Bikes I've hired in the past have had them as part of the deal, but anyone who rides to the track or hasn't got any will be overjoyed if you have some fo rent.I reckon £15 for warmers and £15 for stands, or the lot for £25 for the day. They'll be paid for after about ten trackdays, so everything after that is profit.The deposit will have to be quite high though as they are extremely nickable.Not to sure about the leathers though, as you'll have to have a hell of a selection of sizes to acommodate everyone.

sounds pretty reasonable to me if i'm taking my bike to the track, a bit extra to ensure i dont have a stupid off from cold tyres seems a pretty worthwhile investmentas a side note, i've got the bobbins on my bike but you might need to also cater to peeps without them, or ensure they realise they need them fitted for the hooks

orangevest (not verified)

Clanktank wrote

You posted a collective slagging off aimed at everyone who's posted on this thread, which was supposed to be a discussion of ideas and opinions on how TDO's can improve themselves. Perhaps we should all shut up as everythings great on the other side of the fence according to you.I took offence as you've made no contribution to this thread yourself and are annoying everyone here with your posts on other threads.oh please, nor do 240 trackdayers go out on track all at once either.Threatening customers now, the shame. Please post something more constructive than "if you don't like it start your own TDO".

What would you like thats more constructive, I`ve had hundreds of bricklayers work for me and I`ve heard them all moan about all the money I make but none have the balls to start their own company put their house on the line and go skint for a few years.You all give KH and Fe a slagging but do you think all the other tdo`s do it for the fun, they are all in it for the money the fact is Fe are the biggest tdo so that must make KH the best business man, He does loads of stuff the instructors and the ops managers don`t like but he`s the boss. Shame is we have to take the shit on a daily basis. You moan about instructors but rarely to our faces, I`m a senior instructor and if you have a complaint I`ll listen and if a bollocking is due it will be dished out.The strange thing is on this site there`s about 5 people moaning but we get hundreds of positve emails from satisfied punters.Where`s the threat you said boo hoo and you don`t care about my moaning but you expect me to care about yours. I can`t say it enough WE DON`T GET PAID

orangevest wrote

I can`t say it enough WE DON`T GET PAID

Without getting too much into the debate... You do have bloody good fun and free tracktime though fella I do in a way feel sorry for instructors as so few blokes actually seem to use them on a regular basis. I guess most of it is Male Bravado and bullshit, and some "he can't teach me anything".... which is a shame for them as i'm assuming they get satisfaction out of teaching people.I do though think they could police groups and move them up and down beter than they seem to.

hungry (not verified)

Yes instructers get free tracktime, But as an instructor you are always a target for people who wanna race. being an Instructer is not as much fun as being a punter, we have to overtake more carefully. I like a blast round, but I keep it for the fast group,but people still complain that theyve seen some instructer tearing round, I can tell you for a fact F.E. take these complaints seriously.Some guy complained about me overtaking him on the outside at copse, whilst he was overtaking two other riders, although I saw no problem with this I still had to apologise. If I had been a punter.(no problem) Lets be honest when you think your going like the wind and someone passes you at warp factor six, (you know the ones that make you jump) at that moment you think you c----. while if an instructor does that. then there seems to be a large number of people who are only to quick to get on there keyboards and complain, it slows you down, the upside is when you get someone tells you how much your advice has helped,it does make you feel good. oh and the chance to act all high and mighty and go round threatening people.

I might use one of you guys next time just to make you feel better and cover you with praise and plaudits I don't actually wanna go faster though

hungry wrote

Yes instructers get free tracktime, But ....... .

Can I ask why you do it then? I can only presume that the satisfaction of helping people outweighs the personal cost and the hassle? I'm sorry but I don't believe that! I'll happily accept that you enjoy teaching but this high and mighty "but we can't ride as fast as we want to" or "we don't use it for testing" or "we get told off if we overtake" shit doesn't wash with me. As soon as you admit that you enjoy instruction AND the free track time then your views may be taken rather more seriously. Oh and remember that this is nothing personal - you'll never please everyone

FOR F*CK SAKE!!!Guys this is supposed to be a thread for trackdayers who would like to suggest how improvements 'could' be made on THEIR trackdays.Not a slagging match about the rights and wrongs of trackdays and certainly not a councelling session for instructors who feel all picked on and undervalued........ So instructors can you practice what you preach and 'fuck off and start your own thread' if your not happy with this one.constructive comments please

orangevest (not verified)

phuk72 wrote

Can I ask why you do it then? I can only presume that the satisfaction of helping people outweighs the personal cost and the hassle? I'm sorry but I don't believe that! I'll happily accept that you enjoy teaching but this high and mighty "but we can't ride as fast as we want to" or "we don't use it for testing" or "we get told off if we overtake" shit doesn't wash with me. As soon as you admit that you enjoy instruction AND the free track time then your views may be taken rather more seriously. Oh and remember that this is nothing personal - you'll never please everyone

Right ok when I first started instructing I though this is great I don`t have to pay for track time any more, after a while I began to realise that if done properly its hard work, you might not believe this but its true, you go on track for 20 minutes in every hour on a busy day we can be out for 60 mins every hour and this does happen, free track time its a joke to the instructors that do it properly, more often than not we are out with people that are slower than us so we are poodling round, there are guys that instruct who race and have a hidden agenda for doing it but over the last 2 years the majority of these have been got rid of. 20 werenot invited to instruct this year. If we have a busy day [and remember we are there an hour before you and are still there when you leave] we will probably get the last 2 sessions free by which time we are too knackered to ride to our full potential.I`ve just stopped instructing because I`ve worked out that it costs me more to instruct per year than it would if I booked 10 track days a year and paid for them. I used to enjoy instructing but not anymore especially when we all get tarred with the same brush by people like you.,

orangevest (not verified)

tommyrocket wrote

FOR F*CK SAKE!!!Guys this is supposed to be a thread for trackdayers who would like to suggest how improvements 'could' be made on THEIR trackdays.Not a slagging match about the rights and wrongs of trackdays and certainly not a councelling session for instructors who feel all picked on and undervalued........ So instructors can you practice what you preach and 'fuck off and start your own thread' if your not happy with this one.constructive comments please

Here`s some constructive comments tommy cocktitHow do you reckon you could sort groups by lap times, some people might have done 50 track days but not at every circuit which would mean that they could be slow in the morning due to lack of knowing the circuit which as we all know is paramount, so some poor sod who ends up in the inters is blitzing everybody by lunch, also who would pay for them to be fitted to all the bikes, it takes two days for wsb to decide who`s where on the grid but you want to do it in 5 mins on the morning of a track day and you moan about long briefings.You reckon your doing 57-58 secs a lap at Mallory well get racing cos not only have you just won Emra road stocks you`ve just made everybody else look slower than a second come, time don`t count if its your mate on the pit wall with a mobile phone, also what are you doing timing yourself on a track day don`t you listen to the briefings, how`s that constructive enough.

i have just done my second track day and thought it was brill, only gripe i have had with it is at the end of the day, the novice group seems to be an afterthought, not on track specifically, but always last group out at the end of the day and everyone else is packing up, this includes the tyre and suspension blokes, who both times have pissed off before we get off track so cant put air in me tyres till later or have your suspension settings written down and taken with them so you dont know what to set them back too, hope that was a one off!

orangevest (not verified)

dezzie wrote

i have just done my second track day and thought it was brill, only gripe i have had with it is at the end of the day, the novice group seems to be an afterthought, not on track specifically, but always last group out at the end of the day and everyone else is packing up, this includes the tyre and suspension blokes, who both times have pissed off before we get off track so cant put air in me tyres till later or have your suspension settings written down and taken with them so you dont know what to set them back too, hope that was a one off!

Now thats a good point. Normally if a track day starts on the novice group it should end on the fast, its a good point though the tyre man should be there till the last road bike has left. the suspension guys should give you your settings thats what you pay for

hungry (not verified)

O.k. hands up. I only do it so I can tear round the track, frightening the shit out off people, hopefully the odd 1st timer, in fact thats the attitude of all us instructors, the more people we scare away the more free track time the gaffer gives us, If anyone comes looking for some guidance we generally give em any old bullshit, if they fall off . Oh it does make us laugh, and then when they all fuck off we have a chin wag about how under valued we are. its great. I knew Id crack and tell the truth in the end.

ER, i think this thread is a little too tense, now calm down its only a forum dears.

orangevest (not verified)

hungry wrote

O.k. hands up. I only do it so I can tear round the track, frightening the shit out off people, hopefully the odd 1st timer, in fact thats the attitude of all us instructors, the more people we scare away the more free track time the gaffer gives us, If anyone comes looking for some guidance we generally give em any old bullshit, if they fall off . Oh it does make us laugh, and then when they all fuck off we have a chin wag about how under valued we are. its great. I knew Id crack and tell the truth in the end.

See Hungry thats why you were sacked

orangevest wrote

Here`s some constructive comments tommy cocktitHow do you reckon you could sort groups by lap times, some people might have done 50 track days but not at every circuit which would mean that they could be slow in the morning due to lack of knowing the circuit which as we all know is paramount, so some poor sod who ends up in the inters is blitzing everybody by lunch, also who would pay for them to be fitted to all the bikes, it takes two days for wsb to decide who`s where on the grid but you want to do it in 5 mins on the morning of a track day and you moan about long briefings.You reckon your doing 57-58 secs a lap at Mallory well get racing cos not only have you just won Emra road stocks you`ve just made everybody else look slower than a second come, time don`t count if its your mate on the pit wall with a mobile phone, also what are you doing timing yourself on a track day don`t you listen to the briefings, how`s that constructive enough.

i do race and i don't reckon anything as i have lap times from most tracks i've raced at you fool. To win a club race at mallory you'd need to be doin a low 55s lap at least!look transvest you might be the big 'i am' with your gay instructor outfit on impressing all the furkin novices but dont come on here slaggin the rest of us of you dopey twat you obviousley don't kno what your on about.If you are an instructor at FE then stick to your FE trackdays and your own little world where someone gives a shit, stop quoting everyone as they all think your a dickhead.

orangevest (not verified)

tommyrocket wrote

i do race and i don't reckon anything as i have lap times from most tracks i've raced at you fool. To win a club race at mallory you'd need to be doin a low 55s lap at least!look transvest you might be the big 'i am' with your gay instructor outfit on impressing all the furkin novices but dont come on here slaggin the rest of us of you dopey twat you obviousley don't kno what your on about.If you are an instructor at FE then stick to your FE trackdays and your own little world where someone gives a shit, stop quoting everyone as they all think your a dickhead.

Your a cock pal name ya time and place and I`ll be there as long as it don`t coincide with me banging your mrs, does she still tell you she doesn`t have it up the arse, you just keep starting threads you sad twat, got to go now have to fit a transponder to every bike in the world. FUCKING SAD COCK

orangevest (not verified)

Just looked at a pic you posted tommy knob cheese, is that you on a gixer thou wearing an orange vest

orangevest wrote

Your a cock pal name ya time and place and I`ll be there as long as it don`t coincide with me banging your mrs, does she still tell you she doesn`t have it up the arse, you just keep starting threads you sad twat, got to go now have to fit a transponder to every bike in the world. FUCKING SAD COCK

LMAO, surely as an instructor who has to behave and be polite on track this also extends to off track and forums like these ?Like it or not you are seen as the voice of the company you instruct for even when you don't work there, you are sounding like a cock yourself and not showing the attitude I'd want from an instructor I'd paid for if I was on one of your days.Personally I vote with my feet and take my 20+ trackdays a year to companies other than FE and your posts are just confirming that this decision is the right one

Couch Commando wrote

LMAO, surely as an instructor who has to behave and be polite on track this also extends to off track and forums like these ?Like it or not you are seen as the voice of the company you instruct for even when you don't work there, you are sounding like a cock yourself and not showing the attitude I'd want from an instructor I'd paid for if I was on one of your days.Personally I vote with my feet and take my 20+ trackdays a year to companies other than FE and your posts are just confirming that this decision is the right one

10/10 CC...you beat me to it.

orangevest wrote

there are guys that instruct who race and have a hidden agenda for doing it but over the last 2 years the majority of these have been got rid of. 20 werenot invited to instruct this year........I`ve just stopped instructing

Coincidence??

orangevest (not verified)

Clanktank wrote

Coincidence??

Just remember ya bunch of cocks who started this thread and who started to slag off instructors before we came on here, you lot tarred us all with the same brush, your probably the types that say all black people are muggers and all muslims are terriosts. I`m glad you can vote with your wallet cos no one wants money off sad twats like you, Fe put on over 300 track days a year and they all get filled, I think the majority have spoken

orangevest wrote

Just looked at a pic you posted tommy knob cheese, is that you on a gixer thou wearing an orange vest

it is indeed orangvest how observant of you, now instead of threatening to fight people at their next trackday why not come down one of my boxing gyms and show how big and tough you are?alas i cant take you up on your gracious offer as i would lose my license, so instead of sitting their typing your threats put your money where you mouth is so just pm me.Sorry to all the people having to read the garbage this guys posted in the past few days, i for one will try and return to the subject in question

tommyrocket wrote

i do race and i don't reckon anything as i have lap times from most tracks i've raced at you fool. To win a club race at mallory you'd need to be doin a low 55s lap at least!.

I did a 55.3 last Sunday and came 4th in the 600's. A 57 would see you in the back end of the top 10 of a 600 race if your lucky. Winning times are mid 54's.Roadstocks is a novice class.As for trackdays....Focused seem to give me a bollocking for passing people. I went on 3 trackdays with them this year and was in trouble at two of them. I wasn't riding dangerously at all, i was well within my limits. In my opinion guys in the fast group should be prepared to be passed and shouldn't complain when somebody goes up the inside. ACU groups for fast groups i'd like to see more of. And less of the racers don't belong here attitude, as where else are we meant to learn tracks?! ACU days are few and far between other than at Mallory. Longer sessions, less in a group that'd be good.Not somebody that does a lot of trackdays because of the above really.

orangevest wrote

Just remember ya bunch of cocks who started this thread and who started to slag off instructors before we came on here, you lot tarred us all with the same brush,

We all now have a good reason to carry on dont we, safe in the knowledge that you have proven we were right all along.:burp:LOL.

Sambo wrote

I did a 55.3 last Sunday and came 4th in the 600's. A 57 would see you in the back end of the top 10 of a 600 race if your lucky. Winning times are mid 54's.Roadstocks is a novice class.As for trackdays....Focused seem to give me a bollocking for passing people. I went on 3 trackdays with them this year and was in trouble at two of them. I wasn't riding dangerously at all, i was well within my limits. In my opinion guys in the fast group should be prepared to be passed and shouldn't complain when somebody goes up the inside. ACU groups for fast groups i'd like to see more of. And less of the racers don't belong here attitude, as where else are we meant to learn tracks?! ACU days are few and far between other than at Mallory. Longer sessions, less in a group that'd be good.Not somebody that does a lot of trackdays because of the above really.

Spot on. Although so far i havent yet experienced any of that on Hottrax/No Limits or Racedays events..these are the ones I will stick with now. Sammo you doing those MSV ACU only dates?. Be good to see you out there!.

Couch Commando wrote

LMAO, surely as an instructor who has to behave and be polite on track this also extends to off track and forums like these ?Like it or not you are seen as the voice of the company you instruct for even when you don't work there, you are sounding like a cock yourself and not showing the attitude I'd want from an instructor I'd paid for if I was on one of your days.Personally I vote with my feet and take my 20+ trackdays a year to companies other than FE and your posts are just confirming that this decision is the right one

CC, I doubt this guy is a true reflection of all the instructors that are used by Focused events. Our very own Thorpedo instructs for them and he doesn't come across at all like this. I've always found them helpful enough on the few times I've asked them for advice. I think if we stop feeding the troll he'll become bored soon enough

orangevest (not verified)

tommyrocket wrote

it is indeed orangvest how observant of you, now instead of threatening to fight people at their next trackday why not come down one of my boxing gyms and show how big and tough you are?alas i cant take you up on your gracious offer as i would lose my license, so instead of sitting their typing your threats put your money where you mouth is so just pm me.Sorry to all the people having to read the garbage this guys posted in the past few days, i for one will try and return to the subject in question

Cock I never threatened anybody with a fight but now you mention it I,ll be happy to come to your gym and step in the ring I,ve been doing it since I was 6, Like I said just let me know when and where

orangevest (not verified)

kirklet wrote

CC, I doubt this guy is a true reflection of all the instructors that are used by Focused events. Our very own Thorpedo instructs for them and he doesn't come across at all like this. I've always found them helpful enough on the few times I've asked them for advice. I think if we stop feeding the troll he'll become bored soon enough

Yes I am a true reflection cos I work fucking hard for you mugs but not anymore stick ya track days , I`ll be a cock punter like you

You seem to be a little obcessed with the 'cock' dood, I think you have issues tbh

orangevest (not verified)

kirklet wrote

You seem to be a little obcessed with the 'cock' dood, I think you have issues tbh

I am cos I have one and a pair of balls

kirklet wrote

You seem to be a little obcessed with the 'cock' dood, I think you have issues tbh

ha ha. I think thats what he meant when he said "name ya time and place and I`ll be there" - it wasnt to fight Tommy but to do something else thats totally unprintable. LOL.

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Yes I am a true reflection cos I work fucking hard for you mugs but not anymore stick ya track days , I`ll be a cock punter like you

Sigh of relief there then for the decent TD instructors. LOL.

orangevest (not verified)

Eff Bee wrote

ha ha. I think thats what he meant when he said "name ya time and place and I`ll be there" - it wasnt to fight Tommy but to do something else thats totally unprintable. LOL.Sigh of relief there then for the decent TD instructors. LOL.

But according to you lot there aint no decent instructors. I love Tommy and I`ll fuck him anywhere he wants

Sambo wrote

I did a 55.3 last Sunday and came 4th in the 600's. A 57 would see you in the back end of the top 10 of a 600 race if your lucky. Winning times are mid 54's.Roadstocks is a novice class.As for trackdays....Focused seem to give me a bollocking for passing people. I went on 3 trackdays with them this year and was in trouble at two of them. I wasn't riding dangerously at all, i was well within my limits. In my opinion guys in the fast group should be prepared to be passed and shouldn't complain when somebody goes up the inside. ACU groups for fast groups i'd like to see more of. And less of the racers don't belong here attitude, as where else are we meant to learn tracks?! ACU days are few and far between other than at Mallory. Longer sessions, less in a group that'd be good.Not somebody that does a lot of trackdays because of the above really.

that sounds about right! i did an emra meet and finished 8th in the open class with a best time of 57.2, the winner was in the 55's though.i think it also depends which club you race with as there does seem to be a difference from club to club.. what club where you racing with out of interest?I use FE quite alot and i've been to cartegena with them, i had no problem with their service apart from the obvious politics which i wont go into, but there certainly was an anti-racer atmosphere which is a problem as you must do trackdays to practice!apart from the politics I find hottrax seem to be most racer friendly and they actually had an ACU group a couple of years back? i was too young to be able to afford to race at the time though I think it would be hard to put specific ACU dates on but i think dates leading up to race meets could quite easily be set aside an ACU group as they are usually fully booked well before the race day.

kirklet wrote

CC, I doubt this guy is a true reflection of all the instructors that are used by Focused events. Our very own Thorpedo instructs for them and he doesn't come across at all like this. I've always found them helpful enough on the few times I've asked them for advice. I think if we stop feeding the troll he'll become bored soon enough

Maybe they do have some decent instructors but if you were a punter looking to do a trackday with FE and read this thread would you take the risk of getting an arrogant cock like Mr vest or would you just book elsewhere ?The instructors are nothing more than average Joe's like us that want free track time and try to defend it by saying they enjoy giving out advice. They attend a short course which in their mind and FE's mind makes them instructors in only a few short hours and gives them the superirity complex Mr vest is showing. There is no way these short courses are worth more than the paper they are printed on, if anyone thinks they can learn how to teach and the knowledge to teach in one day they are having a laugh.But as I said I vote with my feet, it's fine for FE as they can choose the attitude shown by their instructor whilst they are popular but if times get harder and they are forced to work for their customers it's threads like this that will be remembered.As far as I'm concerned they are only popular because of the money they spend on advertising and not because they are the best.

orangevest wrote

But according to you lot there aint no decent instructors.

I dont recall anyone stating that. There are decent instructors out there or coaches as some like to be called. None of them display the kind of attitude that you have done towards potential and existing customers. This is why IMHO they are worth using.I like a nice chilled day on track where i can get the most possible from the day and ride as quick as i find comfortable. I also like it when everyone is looked upon in the same manner, be it a novice with his/her road bike or an experienced racer. We are all there for the tracktime and to get what we all individually require from the day.

Eff Bee wrote

Spot on. Although so far i havent yet experienced any of that on Hottrax/No Limits or Racedays events..these are the ones I will stick with now. Sammo you doing those MSV ACU only dates?. Be good to see you out there!.

I'll see Sarah. There a top idea just trying to straighten the finances through winter for next year. Need an ACU day at Oultan really!

orangevest (not verified)

Eff Bee wrote

I dont recall anyone stating that.

Read the first thread that started, your all giving me shit cos I dared to say we don`t have it that easy, trust me I`m one of the good ones and I really do work hard for the punters, I`ve said all along the fe do lots of stuff wrong but that seems to fall on deaf ears,

orangevest wrote

Read the first thread that started, your all giving me shit cos I dared to say we don`t have it that easy, trust me I`m one of the good ones and I really do work hard for the punters, I`ve said all along the fe do lots of stuff wrong but that seems to fall on deaf ears,

LOL take a step back and look at your replies on these forums, we are only judging you by what you post here as we don't know you. In one breath you are an ambassador for FE and have to be polite on track, in the next breath you are saying fuck anyone that doesn't like go and start your own firm and fuck anyone that has an opinion different to yours. Both of these not ideal traits for someone who teaches. A closed mind is not good for teaching, so judged only by your posts on here you come across as a cock.As for instructing being hard, come on you are riding your bike round a track all day, most of the time non physical as you are in the novice/inters. It shouldn't be mentally hard either as anyone good at their job can do it without thought

orangevest wrote

Read the first thread that started, your all giving me shit cos I dared to say we don`t have it that easy, trust me I`m one of the good ones and I really do work hard for the punters, I`ve said all along the fe do lots of stuff wrong but that seems to fall on deaf ears,

I dont see any mentions that could be taken personally against yourself. Maybe you do work hard but come on, please realise that some of the attitude displayed by you isnt helping you to come across as one of the decent ones let alone one thats safe to be approachedThe last part is the part that confuses me, as one minute your slating a certain company and then the next your standing by them.You obviously have a sense of humour which is great, but please quit the personal insults and attacks.

hungry (not verified)

Couch Commando wrote

Maybe they do have some decent instructors but if you were a punter looking to do a trackday with FE and read this thread would you take the risk of getting an arrogant cock like Mr vest or would you just book elsewhere ?The instructors are nothing more than average Joe's like us that want free track time and try to defend it by saying they enjoy giving out advice. They attend a short course which in their mind and FE's mind makes them instructors in only a few short hours and gives them the superirity complex Mr vest is showing. There is no way these short courses are worth more than the paper they are printed on, if anyone thinks they can learn how to teach and the knowledge to teach in one day they are having a laugh.But as I said I vote with my feet, it's fine for FE as they can choose the attitude shown by their instructor whilst they are popular but if times get harder and they are forced to work for their customers it's threads like this that will be remembered.As far as I'm concerned they are only popular because of the money they spend on advertising and not because they are the best.

Couch potatoe, what training do you think an instructor should be given, 3 years at uni maybe, to then go out for fuckall and give people advice. a bit of free track time dont pay the bills,yes your right we are just average joes like you. who said any different. and who says a one day coarse makes you an instructer,(only you yer prick) its not just being able to ride a bike, its being able to communicate, oh and i mean without a keyboard. witch you obviously cant do, looking at the amount of posts you got on here, surprised you find time for a trackday. Most people judge a companys performance on there own experiance, yes they may read threads, and take it on board. but the only way to really decide is to try it. surely people wouldnt just read something that a cock like you has written and decide from that.

hungry wrote

its being able to communicate,

Would you put communication down as your strong point

hungry wrote

surely people wouldnt just read something that a cock like you has written and decide from that.

People do, and thanks to yourself and another FE instructor you have hardly won yourselves or the company that you are representing a customer service and promotion award.TIP = stop, think and breathe prior to posting.

orangevest (not verified)

Eff Bee wrote

I dont see any mentions that could be taken personally against yourself. Maybe you do work hard but come on, please realise that some of the attitude displayed by you isnt helping you to come across as one of the decent ones let alone one thats safe to be approachedThe last part is the part that confuses me, as one minute your slating a certain company and then the next your standing by them.You obviously have a sense of humour which is great, but please quit the personal insults and attacks.

Its not a case of slating I`m pointing out that they do things wrong like we all do, but also that they are the biggest tdo and there must be a reason for this, I got funny when someone started saying boo hoo to me cos I said its hard work and we don`t get paid,There really is an easy solution to this and that is to approach Barry or one of the Ops managers at Focus and say you would like to instruct, then you can see for yourself what an easy time we have,

orangevest wrote

approach Barry or one of the Ops managers at Focus and say you would like to instruct, then you can see for yourself what an easy time we have,

LOL..I did instruct nearly full time for two years. I was also Kev's PA for that time. I then left to run a business with my husband. So i know and understand more about instructing and how FE runs/works than you think.

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