I've ridden the future and it's 100bhp

Would a 100bhp limit be the end of motorcycling?

Posted: 17 April 2012
by Ben Cope

100bhp French R1 ... c'est un peu wheezy mais tres jolie quand you get your tete around it

It's an age-old internet debate: 100bhp is all you need.

If you live in France, it's all you're allowed. The 100bhp limit was introduced there in the '90s and it's still going strong today. Well, strong in a restricted kind of way.

The Hype

Over the years there has been much hype that the 100bhp limit is coming to the UK. As far as I can see, it's mainly a myth perpetuated on a regular basis by a certain publication. Nothing like a bit of fear to help your copy sales, just look at the Daily Mail..

Having not affected accident statistics, the EU are putting pressure on France to remove the 100bhp limit, so are we really likely to get it in the UK? It's Politics, it's the EU. The truth is, no-one knows. Least of all me.

What we do know is that ABS is coming and anti-tampering is being proposed. It's not entirely out the question that a horsepower limit could come into effect sometime in the future, afterall, the Health & Safety trend these days is to protect us from ourselves. So let's assume a 100bhp limit comes in and we're stuck with it, what now?

The Future?

Out in Portimao, on a Bridgestone S20 tyre launch, there was one bike in the pits that wasn't getting a lot of love: the 2012 R1. It was a French model, restricted to 106bhp.

I had to have a go.

I wondered whether the power characteristics had been squashed down via the ECU, so that it behaved like an R1 just on a smaller scale or if it would feel like an R1 until it hit 100bhp and then the delivery would come to an abrupt halt. There was only one way to find out.

Leaving pitlane, all signals were good; the R1's cross-plane engine still sounded as menacing as ever as we rumbled along in second gear at 40mph. As I approached the end of he pit wall, a couple of bikes fired past under brakes, a Daytona 675R and a Fireblade. A couple of targets to pick off.

I was nervous with anticipation, looked down and the rev needle was at 5,000, I genuinely had no idea what was in store but with the other two bikes disappearing, I pinned the throttle ready to reel them back in.

The revs picked up sharply as the R1 surged forward and started to stretch its legs. My natural reaction was to shift my weight over the front to counter the oncoming wheelie, but it never came. I short-shift to third, drive hard around the first couple of rights, it feels good. Into the first uphill lefthander, I feed the gas on somewhat tentatively at first and as the track unwinds infront of me I keep the throttle pinned. Then it happens.

Right at the point where the motor wants to take off, it instantly runs out of power. It jerks once like the bike has run out of fuel but then the power remains flat, even though the engine is revving. It's like you've been hit by a 100mph headwind.

Seeing as you don't have the drive down the straight, if you want to catch up with the guys infront - which I did - then you have to try and carry corner speed and work the bike as much as possible under the 100bhp limit.

The pre-conceptions are that 600s carry corner speed and 1000s can't. Not having any data-logging kit, it's impossible to say what my corner speed actually was but when you're arriving at a corner at the same speed as a 600 and you've done the majority of your braking, I don't see why you can't carry 600-style corner speed. There's only about 10kg difference between an R6 and R1, afterall.

Is it all in your head? If you arrive at a corner on a litre-bike at 120mph and scrub your speed off to 60mph, the corner might feel slow. If you arrive at the same corner on a 600 at 90mph and scrub speed off to 60mph, the corner could feel faster when it actual fact you're probably going around it at the same speed..

I had the traction control switched off and was trying to wring the most out of the R1 out of the corners, treating it like a 600, driving way harder than I would on a full-fat litre sportsbike. The rear starts moving but the power limit shows its hand and again, putting a stop to any wild highsides and instead I short-shift to keep on the torque and build speed.

The restricted R1 pulls out of a corner with much more poke than a 600 but you're not revving it. It's as if you're on a sighting lap and yet you're trying like you're on a do or die qualifying lap.

Coming out of Portimao's final right-hander onto the straight, I'm right behind a big lad on an R6. This is going to be interesting. I get the run on him out of the corner and as we approach the rise onto the straight I'm right on his back wheel. I move to overtake but the R1 runs out of puff. I get back in the slipstream and the R6 just edges away at walking pace. It's unrestricted and running a sports exhaust. Every last horsepower counts.

He brakes early. The R1 is showing 140mph as the straight drops away into the first corner. On an earlier session, the full-power ZX-10R was showing 179mph. I brake in exactly the same place as I would on a 600, tip in at what feels like a much faster speed than I would have carried on the 10R because I'm leaving no stone unturned to catch up with the two bikes ahead. The front feels good. I tap the power and the rear lets go - a small out of the seat moment - but nothing too bad. In my mind I'm riding a 600 but the bottom-end delivery is as sharp as a normal litre-bike.

It takes me a couple of laps to get used to this weirdly challenging ride. It teaches me that I can run a much faster corner speed than I was comfortable running on a regular litre superbike - destroying a pre-conception I've held for almost a decade. It makes me realise I am lazy on a superbike and rely on the huge reserves of power to make up for a slower corner entry. I'm a big fan of traction control but in trying to maximize on all the areas where I can get the most from the R1, I had the traction control switched off and I worked the motor harder off the bottom end than I ever would have done with a full-power machine, at angles of lean where previously I wouldn't have gone near the throttle.

It took some learning. My brain was neither in 600 mode or 1000 mode, it was juggling the two and sometimes getting it a bit wrong; in 10 laps I was out of the seat twice and occasionally braking much earlier than I needed to - because alarms bells were telling me I was on a litre-superbike and really ought to scrub off a bit more speed before tipping in - but I learned so much at the same time. The Fireblade got away but catching and passing the Daytona 675R was one of my most enjoyable on-track experiences, making me focus solely on what I could make the R1 could do better than the 675R and not relying on straight-line speed.

Tomorrow's World

If there was a Europe-wide 100bhp limit, there wouldn't be a lot of point buying an R1 or continuing to make one with 170bhp. Sportsbikes have dropped off France's top-selling chart and for good reason.

I don't want any sorts of limits to be enforced but I can't help but think that a mass 100bhp limit would create a huge wave of evolution and innovation in an industry that's been cranking out slightly lighter, sharper, faster bikes for years with just the occasional left-field surprise every now and then. Would it be a bad thing if showrooms were full of engines that produce eye-watering amounts of torque not horsepower? I'd be up for it.

Is 100bhp all you need? I'd definitely recommend riding a 100bhp restricted litre superbike, it makes you think about each and every one of those hundred horses you've got and how best to use them but there's something about an excess of power that will always stir the soul.

Enjoy it while you still can.


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With these proposed legislations happening surely there is nothing they could do about policing existing bikes. The new sportsbike market would drop off and second hand prices would rise as most people would prefer to modify there bikes. With the anti tampering law and if the 100bhp happens someone will find a way of getting around them.

Posted: 17/04/2012 at 13:32

Pointless example really, a road bike charging around a race track which has absolutely nothing to do with real world road riding. Most bikers, and I include myself, are less than half as good as they think they are as witnessed by the accident statistics, so even 100bhp is more than sufficient to make a fool of yourself. One day when we've all grown up, we will recognise that torque is far more important than huge theoretical bhp figures. It's torque that makes bike riding fun most of the time, not screaming the nuts off the engine to arrive far too quickly at the next set of traffic lights. Sitting outside a pub in Power Ranger suit after a 10 mile sprint down an A road bragging about 180 bhp, will not impress the guy on the 20 year old air head BMW, (limited by agreement to 100bhp) who has just completed a 2 up camping tour of Europe. Roads and race tracks are not the same and neither are the bikes used on them. Get over it.

Posted: 17/04/2012 at 14:05

I agree that even with 100bhp you can rocket yourself to jail sentance speeds in seconds as well as loose traction on corners or flip you bike if your mad or silly enough to rip the throttle open, but I totaly disagree to the continuoes legislation eroding my hobby and passion, I am not a baby and I don't need a nanny, I see no evidence that shows 100bhp saves lives, training saves lives an idiot is an idiot on 100bhp or 180bhp it makes no difference.
>>Sub 100bhp rider<<

Posted: 17/04/2012 at 16:28

I agree and it is evedent to a person who sells machines. I have seen many scooters come back all beat up from sliding down the road just as often as I see it happen on sport bikes, or wings or even cruisers. There is no fix for dumb. The more the big brother holds your hand the more incapable the public will be when it does count. They keep trying to hand more and more of the driving over to machines with ABS, Stabililty control, Traction control etc. and people have no idea what to do when that system fails or when in a vehicle without that system. If we all were forced to control a powerslide, or use our front brakes properly, or whatever, we would all be far better riders. No matter what you do to the machine people will continue to not respect them and do things that are beyond their own capablities. Big brother needs to relize that it is our choice to "toy" with our life and it isn't up to them to "save" us.

Posted: 17/04/2012 at 18:59

I am from the UK but I live and work in Paris. when I am ready for a new bike I test ride the bike in Paris but then buy the bike in UK, take to Paris and leave it on UK plates. Last week I tried the Panigale and then placed an order from the UK shop. Why? I tried the Panigale,(and all the rest) for the ergonomics - that's all. I believe the reports in FB and Bike that bhp heading for 200 is true.
Why would anyone buy a bike that is restricted to 100bhp? When they restrict cars in the same way then I will see the logic.

Most French Motards de-restrict their bikes anyway. Contrary to belief, most French people have the balls to give the fingers to authority

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 13:20

We are supposed to live in a free country, for one! it should be our choice if we want to run bikes of more than 100BHP. the EU have got no right bulling us in what we do! let face it half the BS rules are about making profit, and half the HS dosen't work! its amazing we fought a war once to stop been bullied into a different way of life, why should we let Europe change what we do in our county it's ours not there's. I would personally take the retrictions off, and what are they to do with all the old stuff?

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 13:53

I advertised my GSXR1000 onlne and the guy who bought the bike was French, living somewhere near Tours - so obviously he thought it was worth his while to come all the way from there to Bedfordshire to get a full power bike. He was fully aware it was 140ish bhp and (I assume) had to re-register it for France, probably fitting some restrictor kit. But it's surprising how easily those can fall off in use.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 14:12

I don't want some ill informed half wit, who's never ridden a bike telling me what's good for me and what I should be riding!
If people want to fight the pissing competition of 'my bike's got 190 bhp, yours has only got 185' fine let them crack on, 99% of people can't get anywhere near using the potential the bike has got anyway.
Me, I'm more than happy with my bike (83lb/ft Torque and 109bhp, measured at the wheel) it's more than enough for me and, as it's spread across the whole of the rev range, where it's usable in the real world!

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 15:01

I'm 65 and I've raced Honda's and Ducati's and owned every super bike I could afford. Than we moved to Ireland and I bought a ZX900. This is a tale about not getting smart with age. The roads on the tip of the Beara Peninsula in Ireland are not made for liter bikes. It was terible. I was told there was a Honda NC30 for sale and it was cheap. I looked and I feel in love ! 400cc, about 70 hp and the weight of a bicycle. It's fast and it handles. It got a full mechanical restoration, mostly stuff that wears out, and a full cosmetic restoration and I'm still way under the cost of a 600cc bike. This bike is about as good as it gets and I'd challange any liter bike to stay with it on these roads. Liter Bikes are great on tracks but 99% of them will be on the road with 180hp. Even 600cc bikes are over the top. Weight to HP will always win. Design a 100hp bike and the world will be at your door step.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 15:14

Maybe instead of forcing the manufacturers to limit bikes' hp, major racing organizations should come up with classes that encourage average riders to hop on more accessible machines. It would probably keep costs down, fill up starting grids, and generate more interest in the sport.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 15:31

The problem with bikes is they are ridden by young people with over active glands who think they are invincible and can handle anything. They want as much power as they can afford.

The problem with bikes is they are ridden by middle aged people with overactive wallets who still think they are invincible and can handle anything. They want as much power as they can afford.

Both groups tend to have individuals who arrive wide eyed and with a fixed grin at the end of a ride.

The survivors of this group realise they were being over confident and lucky to get away without killing themselves, and would probably have had just as much fun riding something more appropriate to their requirements.

On a race track 200bhp maybe useful. On public roads not so much. Sorry but fixating on a road bikes power output is so much meaningless and juvenile hype. End of biking? I don't think so, but a constant rise in rider casualty figures might just do it.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 16:52

Why don't we start using some of the amazing technology available to us, I'd be all for an accurate GPS based speed and/or power limiting device that would allow you to use all the potential of your car or bike on track without endangering other road users. I’ve been riding bikes on the road from the age of 16 (now 25) and love riding bikes but selfish bikers do annoy me.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 17:33

Talk about trying to put the public off riding!
We all have a choice. We all have the right
to vote, if matey-boy or girl wants to splash out on a new blade and thrash the knackers off it then why not. If you get caught then so be-it, if you crash then so be-it, accept the consequences.
DO NOT tell us what we can and cannot ride.
Riding is an amazing experience, whether you're cruising on a harley, hacking along on a CG125, whatever. Motorcycling should = freedom on the road.

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 17:44

"Motorcycling should = freedom on the road."

Dream on!

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 17:56

Actually that was the past - when I started riding bikes. Motorcycling was much more popular back then than now. Motorcyclists weren't though - we get much more respect from other road users, publicans, hotels & restaurants now than we did in the 60s and 70s

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 18:28

It may be fair that bikers face the consequence of their own actions should they crash or get caught but why should an innocent person have injury or possible death inflicted on them by somebody riding like a nob?

Motorcycling should = Fun, Practicality and responsibility

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 18:32

and, if i want a Bugatti Veyron?

1000+ HP on public streets... so what?

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 19:09

If you can afford one, would you like to meet my sister?

Posted: 18/04/2012 at 22:22

well, when you're all restricted to 100bhp, me and my 27 year old RG500 will be waiting for ya. Ha ha ha! Coz when my baby comes on the pipes she's still got it. Back to the future eh?

Posted: 19/04/2012 at 04:33

I dont agree with restricting bikes as its all down to freedom of choice if someone wants to ride a 180bhp superbike who should say they cant if they have the correct licence?

On a personal note Ive got 2 bikes, neither make more than 100bhp a 97' VFR 750 and a 2009 CBF1000GT. I bought both on style not power figures as personally the increasing power war between manufactures doesnt interest me and this is from a 27 year old! , but if you find a nice bike with 100 bhp in my opinon thats all you need for a road bike and you wont be disapointed.
Think of it this way, a 15 year old CBR600 with 98bhp is still good for nearly 160miles an hour!

Posted: 19/04/2012 at 07:40

I ride a Ducati 748 with 100BHP. Its far better than I'll ever be and quick enough to get locked up with a moment of madness. Would I have an 848/1198/Panigale? In a heartbeat! Would it make me a better rider? No, probably faster and less safe.
That said I dont want H&S to get involved in my hobby and imposing power limits.

Posted: 19/04/2012 at 09:03

If they are going to limit bikes to 100bhp will they do the same for cars? I can just hear the TOP GEAR boys crying into their bear......... just imagine, a Porche 911 with only 100 bhp........ oh dear. lol

Posted: 19/04/2012 at 09:11

Ahhh the classic 100bhp argument :rolleyes:

You can just as easily kill yourself on a 125 as you can on a Hayabusa. It's just like the other classic "you don't need anything bigger than a 600". Usually perpetuated by people who've never ridden anything bigger anyway. Why should I have to thrash the living daylights out of 600? I don't get any enjoyment living the wrong side of 11,000 rpm. As said before Torque is what it's all about, but at the same time (seeing as BHP is a function of torque anyway) you won't get one without the other. Most of us are fully aware that the throttle isn't an on off switch and if you've got 200bhp on tap doesn't mean that you HAVE to use all of it all the time. Obviously I'm in the way over 100bhp bracket and have been for the past 15+ years and I fully intend to keep it that way.

Posted: 19/04/2012 at 10:49

I've stopped riding due to back problems but, of all my bikes, I most loved my Honda X11 - almost 140bhp more than 10 years ago and 0-60mph in under 3 seconds - ALWAYS first from the lights! Yes, I had to pick flies out of my grin occasionally but wouldn't want to deny anybody else the pleasure or the good memories. 100bhp limit? NEVER!

Posted: 20/04/2012 at 11:49

Some of the most fun I've ever had was on a 450 supermoto.

Posted: 21/04/2012 at 04:20

I'm English but have lived in France for more or less 30 years now.It seems obvious to me that 100 bhp is sufficient for a road bike - my 106 bhp 2005 R1 (106 because there's a margin for error)would still do 240 km/h if I wanted it to.However,even if I never use all that power,I don't like the idea of riding a bike that has been modified and no longer works like it should when it comes off the production line.OK,so not many of us are capable of making the most of all that power,but you can certainly feel the difference in the way it's delivered (my bike was de-restricted when I bought it).What annoys me the most is that Europe is supposed to harmonize lots of things and you should be able to buy a bike in another European country if you want to without having to modify anything.France's position is totally illegal as far as European regulations are concerned,but nobody seems all that interested in doing anything about it.It's a totally hypocritical law,supposedly a safety measure for us stupid bike riders,despite the absence of any serious studies proving the link between more power and more accidents.It also means that the vast majority of bikers over here de-restrict their bikes - this is usually extremely easy to do,more hypocrisy - and hence become immediately illegal.If an expert inspects a de-restricted bike after an accident,then the insurance becomes ineffective,and any costs (repairs,medical bills,hospital fees...)are to be paid by the owner.This is why my bike is in it's street-legal form,not for any other reason.It also means that you other Europeans can come over here and legally roar around on your full power bikes while us stupid French bikers can't.Doesn't seem all that coherent to me.And anyway,I just don't like the idea of being told what I can ride and what I can't,especially when as far as European regulations go,this law is totally...er,how should I put this?Unlawful seems like a good word.

Posted: 21/04/2012 at 10:19

Instead of sitting here on a forum WHINING about it all, why not get off your arses and make a fuss at your MEPs and local MPs until someone in power realises that there is a LARGE vote to be gained by backing the right of FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION by having your bike, your way.

Posted: 21/04/2012 at 17:08

That's a good idea,I'd never thought of that before.I'll have to get off my arse and stop whining on forums all day though,and I'm not sure I can be arsed.Maybe I could go and demonstrate with the FFMC as well,providing I manage to tear myself away from this forum.

Posted: 22/04/2012 at 10:12

Here in France it seems to be the norm to get your new 106CH limited superbike chipped to produce it's full power. This is of course illegal and invalidates the bikes insurance, and of course can easily be discovered should the bike get crashed and examined by an insurance company. Otherwise, why buy a Hayabusa rather than an R6, both of which produce 106CH, when the R6 will be quicker due to it's lighter weight. In reality any widening of power output ceilings will just get ignored as they are here in France.

Posted: 22/04/2012 at 13:17

Another way to look at it is that it is (yet more?) discrimination aginst motorcyclists. A 17 yeat old on 'L' plates could potentially own and drive- if accompanied, a Bugatti Veyron kicking out over 1000hp. To ride a bike with over 33bhp the motorcyclist has to demonstrate consdierably more skill. If there is going to be a 100bhp limit for bikes then there should also be a limit for cars. 100bhp on a bike will give you a maximum speed of about 155-160 mph. A car to produce the same top speed needs around 250bhp, so lets be generous and limit all cars to say 300bhp and make thier drivers jump through the same sort of hoops a motorcyclist has to. Seems fair to me?

Posted: 22/04/2012 at 13:40

i see you had a good time on the track learning how to cope with some restrictions, bike and bhp. I also had a similiair situation when on a smaller bike chasing 3 750s on a cg125 in town. of course the lights helped and the rider laughed when at the final lights he left....

I am all for legislation but 100 bph limits on bikes is not one i would agree.
there are more restrictions coming from the eu which will harm all our motor bike leisure activities and could hurt the sales of motorbikes.
in "the road" mag magazine

french bikers hit the streets again 80,000 riders demonstrated on proposals to wear jackets featuring at least 150sq cm of reflective material.

failure will attract fines and licence points.


2013 restrict motor bike licence to three levels and the most power full bikes will be restricted to those 24 and over.


i have joined mag to hope that they help me to keep my motor bike on the roads with the minimum of restrictions. we should have more working together to help our bike industry sell us bikes that we want and be able to ride those bikes on the roads....

on a positive
humber bride tolls are free.
and my best giggle
tangerang police officers fatally sot one suspected motorcycle thief.

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Posted: 22/04/2012 at 15:53

I don't understand how they can impose strict BHP restriction on motorcycles but not cars?
I think we are at the stage were all modern superbikes and super cars deliver more power than we will ever need but so what, not everyone who buys a performance car or bike will ever use its full potential but that's not the point, you buy them because you want them.
Why would anyone in France bother to buy the latest Panigale if it was restricted. (stabiliser wheels next)
So pleased I don't live in France

Posted: 23/04/2012 at 15:37

Have I missed something fundamental here?
If "the EU are putting pressure on France to remove the 100bhp limit" then isn't this whole article just a bit academic? If the only country in Europe that has adopted the stupid limit is being urged to rescind it, surely that's the end of the subject of this article? How can 100 BHP be the future when it's a dead subject? I mean Jeez, in your own words even the Eurocrats have given up. I really hope that is the case. Also, my last bike had a little over 100 brake and my current has about 150 and there's no comparison. Sorry but given the standard of braking and handling on most recent bikes, I don't think there are too many situations where less power is actually a better answer. Finally, this 'enjoy it while you can' attitude REALLY gets on my wick - get off your botty and at least join MAG or even the BMF and do something to fight back. Defeatist bollox.

Posted: 24/04/2012 at 14:32

That's an interesting article and leaves one with the conclusion that most of us point-and-squirt on a big bike because it's easier.

I remember discussing the transponder data from a Snetterton 6 hour race practice session with a friend who'd entered a bike with a team of three riders. Two fast club racers and one professional. The two club racers were doing the point and squirt thing, their corner entry and exit speeds were lower, the brake wear and fuel consumption was higher and the lap times were down. The professional was quicker everywhere with lower lap times and easier on the bike too.

Posted: 24/04/2012 at 14:56

I wonder how often people actually use 100+bhp with a twist of the wrist. Leaving freedom and goverment blah blah out of it for a moment, do people actually use the extra (off the track anyway)?

Power to weight might be ignored by such plans though. A 100bhp Goldwing will be a very differewnt proposition to a nitrous fuelled CBR250

Posted: 27/04/2012 at 14:26

Carl Wyatt. Nevermind all the electronics that will control the power and speed of a bike for u and make motorcycling saferfor doing stupid things........ Its called a BRAIN.

Unfortunately there are those out there who leave their brains at home.

Posted: 28/04/2012 at 09:28

'Contrary to popular beief?' The French have told the authorities to go forth and multiply ever since the revolution.

Posted: 01/05/2012 at 18:16

I personally choose not to have a 100bhp+ road bike. I've had very fast street bikes including the 1st gen S1000RR but, after some serious thinking and wanting to keep my license as clean as possible I've opted for a humble 85bhp street bike which suits me just fine including the occasional Sunday ride. I've put on some S20s on my F800R and it goes like the clappers on the mountain passes where I live.

For track riding I want my 150bhp+ torque monster but I don't feel that over 100hp is necessary for me.

On the other hand I definitely still want the choice to be able to have a full power near 200bhp S1000RR or VMAX. I just know I'll get into trouble with anything more than that, it's a self control thing.

If hp is to be restricted on bikes, then cars must go through the same.

Posted: 14/05/2012 at 09:35

Talkback: I've ridden the future and it's 100bhp