Plonkers on 'peds

Congestion charging is tempting more people onto two wheels, but is that a good thing?

Posted: 17 November 2005
by CitySlacker

As the Congestion Charge rises and more and more of London's streets become Resident Permit Parking only. We're experiencing a steady increase in the number of people who have cottoned on to the fact that if you don't like public transport in the Smoke, and who could blame you, then get a 125 or a scooter. New members in the ranks can only be a good thing, surely? Not always so.

And this is because the vast majority of scooter riders and new bikers have jumped straight out of a car and onto 2-wheels. Having taken all of the selfish, insular, aspects of car driving with them transferring these to their 'ped or bike. Consequently their observation is generally crap, as usual largely relying on other road users to keep an eye on where they're going. They can't filter safely because they don't have any experience of a vehicle without a cup-holder and air-con, either crawling at a snail's pace and creating a sort of filtering crocodile of pissed off riders, or caning it through swervy style on their way to becoming another statistic.

But these are not the only 4-wheeled faults that handicap new riders. There's a complete lack of manners. Which is hardly surprising when you consider how many car drivers would stop to help another car driver who'd broken down or was having trouble, erm, none. We do that guys and girls, yes, amazing as it sounds if there's another rider in difficulty we stop to see if they're OK. Then there's the fact that so many unenlightened riders are happy to sit at the front of the lights without allowing anyone behind them to come through, this is not only dangerous for riders behind but it's also ignorant.So, if you're new to 2-wheels try thinking differently, you're not in a car anymore so stop riding like you're driving. I'm not saying you now have to wear skanky denim with club patches or dayglo one-piece leathers, or for the 'ped riders tracksuits or saggys, unless of course you really are intent on labelling yourself as a knob. Just that the rules that used to apply to you as a road user, no longer do. Enjoy your new freedom but let those who're already here continue to enjoy theirs.

And as for anyone who ever buys a Honda Habana to ride in any city never mind London; why? You're effectively buying a filtering cork, something that's so widely impractical for city traffic it will wedge itself into what little space there is like one of the Fat Slags in a mini-skirt, unable to move without screwing something.


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Posted: 17/11/2005 at 13:17

If you buy anything above a 50cc, you have to do a CBT, which if you do anywhere decent tells you some bits about road etiquette. As someone who's been scootering for about 3 years (and have a 125 bike too), I make damn sure I get out of the way of bigger bikes behind me. If you haven't got enough room to get in at the front of traffic behind someone, give them a quick toot and a wave or a yell and generally they'll move up. Lack of manners is just indicative of London traffic generally. If your observation is crap, you'll just become a statistic as you say - this (eventually) will filter out the bad riders - the difference between a bike and a car being you are more likely to hurt yourself in a bike accident. What about the bikers with big panniers taking up space? What about the bikers blocking cyclists? There's a lot of bad riding out there... and driving too!+

Posted: 17/11/2005 at 14:47

It's true there are some poor riders out there in London at the moment, and a lot of them are on scooters, but you haven't made a convincing case that this is because they have moved across from being car drivers. 6 years ago I took up riding after 24 years at the wheel, and quickly developed a bike-centric mindset. If anything the problem was going from one extreme to the other - forgetting, for example, to see drivers' points of view in relation to apparent 'pushing in' and so on. Maybe these newbies are suffering from that problem.

Posted: 17/11/2005 at 20:56

Everyone is a beginner at some stage.

The difficulty is that there are idiots in all classes of road traffic.

There has been similar concern about the number of inexperienced cyclists casuing danger on the roads following the increase in cycling since the events of July.

Mind you, it is getting cold now so....

Posted: 17/11/2005 at 23:07

This article is a load of crap.... Just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading it.

Please try to be more productive when bringing up a discussion.

No offence.

Posted: 18/11/2005 at 15:39

Have to say that I'm not sure "City Slackers" style of writing will be a great hit. It looks like he's got exactly the same lack of tolerance and patience that he's complaining about.

There are a lot of scooters about - but they don't get in the way that badly and generally are more danger to themselves than anyone else.

Posted: 19/11/2005 at 22:52

Don't knock new riders and think that your'e one better. Everyones has good and bad points, I'm crap at filtering too but I can ride (30 years experience including racing).
Lead by example

Posted: 21/11/2005 at 23:03

< wrote
Don't knock new riders and think that your'e one better. Everyones has good and bad points, I'm crap at filtering too but I can ride (30 years experience including racing).
Lead by example


I'm trying to figure out what to call you. 'The artist formerly known as ...?'

Posted: 22/11/2005 at 22:02

I have been a motorcyclist, a long distance pedal cyclist (6000miles a year +1200km events in France) a car driver and now a motorcyclist again. I have done the above over a period of 45years. I was a police motorcyclist and driver. In all that experience I have found that it is the same 10% of people who are a pain on the roads. Car/van drivers who don't look, pedal cyclists who don't think the Road Traffic Acts apply to them and motorcyclists who ride too fast in inappropriate areas. It is nearly always a matter of bad manners. People who would not dream of pushing and shoving on foot are quite prepared to do so when on the road. Any kid who is not taught to behave properly on their push bikes will probably take their bad manners with them when they 'get a motor'. It is all down to manners and training.

Posted: 27/11/2005 at 18:30

I think there has been a significant fall in driving standards over the last few years (and by "driving" I include riding). The volume of traffic on the roads has risen to riduculous levels and there simply are a LOT of poor drivers around!

I don't think mopeds are a particular problem - I've seen examples of good and bad riding - and the bad is usually the younger ones - so don't fall into your category of car drivers who've bought mopeds to avoid the rush hour traffic!
Although I DO agree that it is a completely ridiculous anomaly that allows anyone with a car licence to ride a moped - without any training whatsoever!

There are a lot of bad motorcycle riders out there too - I've seen them!! Some of them have a complete lack of filtering skills - and sit in the traffic queues - like a car - What's the point in that?! Others weave in an out like the idiots on pushbikes do!!! I had a bike do that to me the other day when I was in my car - a pushbike weaved in front of me - I'd seen the motorbike filtering down the outside of the traffic - BUT then he dived right in front of me following the cyclist!!

For many years I have said (usually to people who don't agree) that everyone should have to pass a bike test BEFORE they are allowed to take a car test - thus making drivers more bike aware!
Don't think it will catch on though!

Posted: 02/12/2005 at 11:40

OK. Balance wrong. This is an article where the minimum educational standards should have been mentioned (CBT) & exactly what is now involved. Then perhaps a discussion of how well this training meets today's city needs. Are you exempt from any of it because you have a car license (I don't know-used to be). Endorse the comment about car drivers making the transition & having persoanlly come later to biking via DAS I found that the whole thing made a far better car driver. Yes, absolutely about manners, & I'd have put in a bit about how much damage you can do to yourself in even a low speed tumble. Towards the end I'd have stirred it up over is it failing educational standards or, as studownie says, the smae 10% of inconsiderate w*nkers.

I have to say that judging on CS's 1st two articles it really is becoming teacher preach. I'd suggest either go totally to one extreme position, or take a balanced & considered from all sides view. The term filter cork was excellent & the last line about the fat slags just superb. Damn good finish.

Posted: 03/12/2005 at 16:44

Its important to remember that everyone has to start somewhere, and we were all learners at some stage, but the lack of manners is very true! I have seen so many rude riders... There is no need for it. Some common courtesy wouldnt go amiss.

Posted: 11/01/2006 at 12:17

THE POINT EVERYONE IS MISSING: There are loads of riders, mainly on scooters (plus a few on nicked sports bikes), who have never done any training & never use L plates. It's illegal over 50cc but who's checking? And it's daft that 50cc riders are exempt from training. It should be compulsory to show a CBT or DAS certificate before you buy any scooter or bike.

What this won't solve is the problem of people who choose their vehicle the way they choose a pair of shoes & are more concerned with looking cool than actually surviving the journey.
How do we prevent these people from graduating from scooters to vintage Moto Guzzis? The ex-scooter riders on bikes are sooooo obvious: absolutely no hi-vis or safety gear other than a vintage-looking pisspot helmet, silly goggles, designer bag (hanging off one side to prevent balance). They're so busy hoping you can tell they're wearing £30 socks that they're completely oblivious to what's going on around them.
>-( grrrrrr

Posted: 02/02/2006 at 00:05

@ SqueezyBottle

In total agreement..... apart from your filtering comment!!

I do not always feel the compulsion to filter, and can be quite happy sat in queue amongst the cars.. Just because i can filter does not mean I always want to.. I am not always in a hurry. And besides maybe you forget that it is important to get away a bit quicker than the cars lined up alongside you when pulling away if you cannot get in front of them while filtering at lights, and a lot of scooters are not that nippy from standstill (Esp the under 50cc ones).

I guess it just gets on my pip when people think you HAVE to behave a certain way just because you are on two wheels. There are other benefits besides being able to squeeze between cars, which has its dangers.  The Parking options alone often sway me to take a bike over a car when heading into a town/city

Rant over


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