Cunning stunts

The first installment from our columnist, 'City Slacker'

Posted: 25 October 2005
by CitySlacker

Stunting isn't big or clever, even when done by a professional it's only ever a variation on a theme, I mean how many wheelies/stoppies/burnouts etc. etc. ad infinitum can anyone endure before narcolepsy sets in? If you ever use the 'machine control' argument to defend stunters you've obviously never seen a talented trials rider in full flow. But if we're honest for a second, we all know that control is simply a requirement and not the real point of stunting, because the real point is out and out attention whoring. If ever anyone wanted to make a bigger 'LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I'M REALLY COOL!' statement I'd like to know what it is. The irony of this, of course, for anyone with a gram of intelligence is that by saying you're really cool in such an overt, obvious way, you cease to be cool and become the desperate kid clamouring for attention that you really are.

And it's because of this knob-waving premise that stunting is simply the biking equivalent of fake chrome spinning hubcaps, tasteless, tacky, trite.

Now, if that were all it was I really wouldn't have an issue with it. But it's much more than that, especially when you consider how many insecure people with powerful bikes are compromising the public perception of biking and bikers in general. For example, take the bike meets at Chelsea Bridge or the Ace Cafe that have gone spectacularly wrong due to retards with very little machine control and even less sense. Cretins of the highest order who've binned their bike and hurled it into the crowd, or down the road, not only injuring themselves (if Darwin had anything to do with it they'd be better off dead) but also bystanders watching the show. Now 'some' responsibility does lie with those watching, stunters and audience (i.e. those easily pleased) being something of a 'chicken and egg' scenario. For example if there aren't any safety-barriers and riders are stunting while your kids are running around, call me alarmist but perhaps it might be a good idea not to let your kids get too close...

Something that the parents' of two kids at the Ace Cafe will probably take more care over in future. Back in March 2005 the children ended up in hospital after being hit by some twat who threw his bike into the crowd after losing it while desperately trying to impress. The spineless coward then got what was left of his bike into the back of a van and left the scene amidst the confusion. How can anyone, ever, defend such sickening behaviour, I mean how low do you have to stoop to even begin to understand what little was going through this circus reject's head, apart from 'fuck everyone else, as long as I'm OK'.

However, ultimate responsibility lies with those performing for the audience because they have, or should have, control over themselves and their machines if they're going to put themselves in the limelight. Putting too much emphasis on the responsibility of the audience because they 'chose to stand there and watch' if something does go Pete Tong is ridiculous. In fact, it's so ridiculous it's a bit like saying 'well they chose to stand there and queue' when a runaway bendy-bus ploughs into a line of commuters.

The responsibility issue is a thorny one for amateur and pro stunters alike. So allow me to clarify it for you in simple terms, pro stunters at organised events are responsible for knowing and checking what safety measures the organisers have made, advising where necessary. Whereas 'have a go harry' at any bike meet be it Box Hill, Chelsea Bridge, Ace Cafe, wherever, has a responsibility to his or her audience, because let's face it if they weren't there you wouldn't feel half as desperate to flatter your ego and show off. If you screw things up take it on the chin, know that if it hits the papers you're responsible for dragging biking down in the view of the public at large, something we could all do without, and know you'll also be responsible for when meets at places like Chelsea Bridge get banned if not policed into oblivion, don't say I didn't warn you.

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Posted: 25/10/2005 at 12:55

Wise words. I don't do stunting because although I'm highly skilled I'm mature enough not to feel the need to go around proving it to strangers

Posted: 25/10/2005 at 15:51

Mines a pint of carling

Posted: 25/10/2005 at 16:54

maybe if bike mags didn't make such a big thing of stunts on bikes then probably a lot of these airheads wouldn't go out & copy them all the time - lets be honest a lot of people who ride bikes today seem to follow a trend - get the latest , most powerful superbike,& matching one peice leathers - get out on the road to the nearest roundabout & practice getting a knee on the deck - practice wheelies & stoppies & burnouts - go to a bike meet & try and impress
where do they get these ideas from - bikemags

Posted: 30/10/2005 at 22:07

'Attention whoring'... that's a new one.

Posted: 03/11/2005 at 13:06

You're talking more about wannabes rather than stunters.. doing a 70mph power wheely dangerously past Chelsea Bridge is stupid.. but doesn't mean all stunters do that. Pro stunters used to and still do stunt on street, where else would they start? Stunting is a sport..! And the majority of rider deaths or bystanders getting killed are the result of power rangers on their 180mph ZX10R's!! NOT stunters who practice often in quiet places then go and show off to a crowd who WANT to see it.. usually doing slower stunts well within limits as a SHOW not a PRACTICE.. I think you have the wrong idea of *proper* stunting and you are confusing the minority with the rest of us... Same goes for sports bikers don't forget that.

Posted: 06/11/2005 at 17:53

Well said Slacker.

MaxUK

Posted: 07/11/2005 at 09:44

Boo thought it was going to be funny, but was like a lecture from yer dad. There were no stories from the pub at all. :-(

Posted: 08/11/2005 at 21:49

Not much ground breaking comment here................

Posted: 09/11/2005 at 14:28

NOT bad article, far better to read that than some of the half wit dribble in General chat forum.

Daz

Posted: 15/11/2005 at 18:11

is the slacker fjs rider

Posted: 17/11/2005 at 17:02

Excellent post.

Posted: 26/11/2005 at 11:08

Hmm. How about writing from the perspective or including views from those people & their families injured by idiot stunters? I think it would get the point across far more effectively that your 1st person rather teacher preach stance. That is not to say that I don't agree with everything you said, just a constructive 2d worth on the way the article itself has been approached. When the next one due?

Posted: 03/12/2005 at 11:40

ok but not really new

Posted: 08/12/2005 at 19:49

There is a different level of risk between standing in a bus queue and standing afew feet away from someone poppin' and stoppin'. If you really cant work out the difference you should not be allowed out on your own, and certainly not with kids in tow.
That said, Im in no way exonerating the thoughtless, nay selfish actions of amateur stunters. Personally I steer well clear of both gullable rubbernecking audiences - who encourage the twat with evilkernival delusions, by taking notice of him in the first place - and said twat.

XXPixieXX

Posted: 30/01/2006 at 20:56

Well personally I love watching stunts and love doing them. People go to places like the Ace now to see stunts to begin with.
Perhaps you might care to ask the Ace Cafe owners if they might put up some protective barriers when they have big meets?
I'm past caring what the Walking Dead (non-biking citizens) think of riders and bikes. So many of you, are trying to make so many of us, seem responsible, when obviously many of us are not. The old argument about we should try and make ourselves look more "proper" to the Zombies is wearing thin. The average bloke in the street in NEVER going to like motorcycles. They never have, they never will.
I don't live my life worrying about what Nigel Normal thinks of me. Nigel can Fk Off.
I do agree the stunter has a responsibility towards the safety of rubber neckers however.
Unfortunatly there is always going to be some pratt who loses control of his bike and injures himself or others.
That's just the way it is, the way it's always been.
Plenty of people have been smashed into whilst standing on the sides of the dirt roads in Europe watching Rally Car Drivers hoon past as well.
The general public is as thick as planks, they'll be back next week to watch the action again!

Posted: 25/02/2006 at 12:00

Stunts and bikes go together, always have done, always will do.

You, or anyone else, cannot stop it.

No matter how much you dislike it, or how much you think they bring "a bad name to all bikers", it wont stop.

I also dont see how stunters can make biking look worse then it already is, we've have ALWAYS had a bad name. Even if were not doing anything wrong, bikers are the bad guys.

Posted: 27/02/2006 at 06:18

(to the editor)ill tell u my point i rode a wheelie past yer mom and next i know i was banging her in a HOtel bwhahaha lets go do some awesome turns dudes!!!hahahaha

Posted: 03/03/2006 at 21:04

u guys are retarded.

i stunt becaise i want to.. i'd do it by myself even if nobody was to ever see me do it.

its a skill and becoming a sport just like anything else...

its the a$$holes like u that keep holding it back from becoming main stream.

-jay

Posted: 03/03/2006 at 21:15

why im thinking of it..


can someone tel me what EVERY profesinal racer does after they win a race ?


: WHEELIE

Posted: 03/03/2006 at 21:17

damn right dude. hows your shit over the pond? whats the crack with you and the starboyz are you friends or haters? i cant make me mind up on there site?

Posted: 03/03/2006 at 23:29


Quite right.
Not only is it showing off [back at school?] it's boring.

Posted: 06/04/2006 at 08:34

This article is a bit of a ramble. Nothing wrong with the odd wheelie/stoppie per se, the problem is the semi-official nature of these ad hoc "stunt shows". If hard core squids are deliberately attending these events then they, as a group, need to take responsibility for crowd control and have a go heros. That's a whole different ball game...

Posted: 27/04/2006 at 04:48

This article has left a strange taste in my mouth.

You sound like my Dad. No. That's insulting my Dad. If he was in a finger wagging and lecturing mode, he would have taken care with defining his argument in the first place, and would have made his point in a clear, consise manner.

Granted, there is artistic licence in the peice (it's an 'article', after all), but it has no substance.

You attempt to utterly deny the machine control aspect....and fail. And you always will. It may not be wise to demonstrate that 'level of control' in public, granted, but saying that these guys are surviving on luck alone is facecious. They (the majority of them, atleast) really are rather clever on their machines. Certainly, they have a degree on control few people manage. Is that not a good thing ? How they choose to apply their ability has no bearing on the ability itself.

The unfortunate accidents (Visordown's own Admin will testify here) that have and will happen where and when stunting takes place are a (mis?) calculated risk; obviously not the intention. And, as Tequillapixie argued above, to say that the injured bystanders are completely guilt free is just plain wrong. I'm sure those two injured children were Whoopin' and Clappin right up to the moment it went tragically wrong.

You seem to have fallen into the trap of painting a detailed picture with a brush a mile wide

Posted: 19/05/2006 at 15:59

"consider how many insecure people with powerful bikes are compromising the public perception of biking"
I've considered it and think it is nonsense. Public perception is not created by people who hang out at Chelsea Bridge and the Ace Cafe. The public I meet day to day don't have this perception when they realise i'm a biker. Is there any evidence to support the implied view?

Posted: 24/05/2006 at 20:21

Wata heapa crap! Hw can u generalize all bikers who pull the odd wheelie to one asshole who thought he could wheelie only to find he cant and hit sum kids??????

Posted: 16/09/2007 at 19:49

City Slicker go crawl back to your car, if you don't play the game don't make the rules.

There are already laws in place here and if people choose to break the law then they risk the consequences.


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