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Valentino Rossi's prototype AGV helmet

Project 46 AGV helmet

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Posted: 8 November 2011
by Robin Goodwin

Hidden amongst the AGV stand was the prototype for a possible next-generation helmet, developed by Valentino Rossi and named 'Project 46'.

Accompanying the glass protected helmet was an Italian description for the experimental AGV, saying that the visor has a larger aperture and the helmet has an 'exclusive' ergonomic design that makes the 'Project 46' the most aerodynamic lid in its class, in what AGV believe will 'establish a new standard'.

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Discuss this story


Salty Dog
Have they managed to "develop" a chin-strap that doesn't break? RIP Marco Simoncelli.

Posted: 08/11/2011 at 22:49


Mingmingmo
I think thats a rather low blow, you haven't catered for the other 'Forces' at hand i.e two motorbikes traveling at 100mph + hitting his back and neck/head ... Poor Post.

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 08:32


MF
I'm with mingmingmo on that one...

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 08:59


Salty Dog
You are entitled to your views. My opnion is that whatever happens, a helmet should stay on your head. Those "forces" you mention - if they CAN be experienced, it should be assumed that they WILL be experienced and design HAS TO take that into account. If the industry can find the technology to make a bike do 210+ mph, it can make a helmet that achieves this aim. If it can't - I hate to say this - the speeds are too high. But I believe they most certainly can. Remember, we are talking about a STRAP here, not a shell.

We need to stop talking about this as being a "freak" accident and regard it as something that could happen again. I don't believe enough questions are being asked about it and I find it genuinely disturbing. AGV's PR has been poor, in fact nonexistant, and it seems like they are being allowed to quietly wash their hands of this. What sort of message does this send to other manufacturers? Will more corners be cut?

My AGV went into the bin last week. Low blow? Good, I hope someone winces.

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 10:18


Skilly
For your information, Moto GP standards for helmets are that the strap should break at a pre determined breaking strain, to avoid decapitation (god forbid that ever happening). As yet I beleive the full reason for the helmet coming off still has not been released. So please lets not speculate on what we think has happened, the causes etc etc. Lets instead have some respect for Marco's family and friends and stop the speculation and leave it to the experts and the eye witnesses to come to the conclusion of this terrible accident. RIP Marco

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 12:10


DELGIXER1
Whilst I was the biggest simo fan and agree with all above that was a low blow, have you stopped and thought why simo's helmet was 2 sizes to big for him to accomodate all that hair. You cannot blame a freak accident on a manufacture.

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 12:11


bar_steward
Totally agree with DELGIXER1 - Simo will be sorely missed but when I heard that he wore a helmet 2 sizes too big... Well I have very mixed emotions on the subject! It is one of the very first thing any rider will tell you about when buying kit and on the other hand you only have to listen to a TT rider talking and you realise these kind of guys are very switched on and are fully aware of the risks they're taking on.
Its a sad subject but I don't think AGV has anything to answer for.

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 12:59


Mingmingmo
I dont wish to cause an Up-roar only that comments are based on facts not 'rumors' nor 'speculation'. Im sure AGV will comment in due time.

Now i do not work for AGV but i know its been AGV's wishes that he has a haircut so that the helmet fits closer to his head and that also himself and Rossi has there heads scanned to determine the size, something that is touched upon in the new AGV STANDARDS.

Also i would like to add is that helmet straps carry a 5 Tonne breaking strain - anything more then this may event to De-capitation, which in my books is worse !!

Posted: 09/11/2011 at 15:59


Julian House
On a lighter note... A bit Darth Vader??

Posted: 10/11/2011 at 11:48


Timpster
R-Dog - it was a freak accident no matter what you say, never saw anything like it before and probably not again.
And as others have pointed out, the helmet coming off his head is better than his head coming off with the helmet which would have been horrific.
What a clever individual you are throwing away a perfectly good helmet because of Sommo's accident !!

Posted: 10/11/2011 at 15:27


Timpster
Simmo's accident obviously ... bloody typo.

Posted: 10/11/2011 at 15:29


Salty Dog
This has been enlightening, and I'm sure that you all feel much better for having jumped down my throat. I was initially being deliberately provocative to raise an issue regarding something which I feel is unacceptable. But I think my point is being misunderstood.

I've read a few bit and pieces on helmet standards and testing sice this horrendous tragedy. Some posters have quoted figures about this and that, trying to justify this helmet's "correct" performance in empirical terms. I'm well aware that a conventional securing mechanism requires a quantifiable, pre-determined point of failure, - dunno about 5T, mind - and that with a bit of speculation thrown into the mix regarding impact force it is possible to see how a strap could have broken. Some of you said posted to say so. Thanks for that, I did consider it.

You are barking up absolutely the wrong tree.

If, as suggested, the strap failed intentionally as per design, by doing it's job the helmet was unable to do it's job. Conventional strap design is no longer good enough to ensure a lid can always stay on a rider's head. The proof has just been seen. Tragically. That was the design failure I referred to, not a manufacturing process failure. Worryingly, we now have a situation in which racers are using helmets whose retaining devices (straps) are, under certain circumstances seen in modern racing, not fit for purpose. This isn't just a AGV thing - it encompasses almost all manufacturers at the highest level. The retention system IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH if it's failsafe prevents it from providing protection from the forces that can exist.

What do we do about it? Well, we can either i) Tell R-Dog that he is making tasteless remarks and that he should show more respect, ii) bury our heads in the sand and pretend it will never happen again - seriously dangerous and retrogressive thinking - or iii) discuss it, on a forum. Which is what they are for.

I've obviously got something well and truly up my arse about this. I'm getting to the point finally.

In this article, AGV have just been given a load of free positive media coverage by a well read web-blog in which they are extolling the virtues of a helmet's aerodynamic efficiency when they (and everyone else involved in equipment safety in MotoGP) should be solely concentrating their efforts on improving rider safety. Not exhibiting advances in aerodynamics. IN AERODYNAMICS!!!!! That is a bloody disgrace, right there. Do you see why my helmet is in the bin now, Timpster?

The very least you would expect from any responsible company is for AGV to lead by example in launching an urgent internal enquiry into this matter (case to answer or not), announce their findings publically and follow up by a consultation with other manufacturers and bodies to discuss where they all go from here. Intergrated HANS devices? Other forms of helemt retention involving bracing on a rider's upper torso to withstand greater forces? Options MUST be available. The time for action is NOW. Has anything transpired? Do I even need to answer my own question?

I'm leaving this alone from now on. I hope this makes someone think.

Posted: 10/11/2011 at 20:24


m l
Concerning AGV helmet and Simoncelli, unfortunately it is very unlikely that his fatal injury was in fact caused by his helmet coming off. It is probable that the helmet was actually 'pulled' off when one of the bikes 'hooked' it, causing a violent twisting moment which broke poor Sic's neck, the simultaneous impact force was such that the strap attachment mounting to helmet also broke.
IMO there is no head or neck that could have survived in this situation, and the helmet actually did its job perfectly.

Posted: 12/11/2011 at 17:56


Maverick Renegade
I'm no helmet expert but surely there's actually some point to a strap having a finite amount of pressure it can take? For example, the helmet took the impact and if the strap hadn't broken when it did, surely it could've caused massive damage to the neck? It doesn't seem in this case that poor Simoncelli died from what happened after the helmet came off. The only thing the strap is secured against is the neck and I personally wouldn't want a 100mph force straining it to breaking point across my neck.

Posted: 14/11/2011 at 17:40


Nikolay Nikolov
I do not think that the helmet is to blame for Marco's accident. Even if it was 2 sizes bigger the problem was not that it slit away from his head but that the strap broke. Agreed that helmet manufacturers should ensure that their helmets provide maximum protection but there are limits. There is nothing the helmet can do to protect your neck from 150kg motorcycle hitting you at more than 100mph. It is like hitting a tree in a car at 200mph and complaining the seat belt did not save your life. Unfortunately motorsport is risky lets just agree that losing Marco was a tragic accident and hope it never happens again. Ciao Marco you will be missed.

Posted: 18/11/2011 at 19:15


Darthrufus
Agreed Nikolov, watching Simmo's accident made me feel sick inside, as mentioned before the helmet had to come off to avoid decapitation, the way his accident occurred no helmet available could have saved his life. I happened to buy the AGV GP TECH helmet a couple of months ago, I am not concerned with its safety and find it a very comfortable well fitting lid with a strong strap and a quality construction.
Until a report is released into his accident with the cause of death speculation will not help his memory. Massive respect to a classy entertaining rider who died in the most tragic accident I have seen since the equally terrible death of Craig Jones at Brands Hatch. He was also hit by other riders and died instantly as well.
Thankfully these deaths are extremely rare and all the riders know the risks ( just listen to what Guy Martin thinks ) .

Posted: 18/11/2011 at 23:28


Adam Ross
Good to have debate, just for those that are interested, there was a similar accident in the 1983 Assen 500cc GP, second lap between Franco Uncini and Wayne Gardner. Fortunately it was not fatal, but bears (be it in very different eras of bike racing) to Simmos accident. Gardner, who was not hurt, nearly packed racing in after this crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXWK09BRhTM

Sadly it has happened before and I suspect as many of you have speculated, it could and probably will happen again. Though, thankfully, the frequency of crashes like this are extremely rare. Not that helps Simmo. RIP mate!!

Posted: 08/03/2012 at 09:19


evil ken evil
just read this post ..

i agree with most others on here



poor taste indeed!

Posted: 08/03/2012 at 12:20

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