Gardner: Hayden's a "second tier rider"

Former 500cc World Champion fires off (again) at MotoGP

Posted: 13 August 2010
by Visordown News
Hayden: Victim of Gardner's harsh words

NICKY HAYDEN'S a "second tier rider" that "lacks the aggression and skills needed to succeed" according to former 500cc World Champion Wayne Gardner.

The Australian, who's offered some pretty forthright views on the world of MotoGP over the last few months, claims we've seen the best of Hayden and that his results "aren't going to get any better."

"He's a second tier rider," said Gardner. "Always has been and always will be."

Harsh words for the American, who currently lies sixth in the 2010 championship standings with 89 points.

Offering a morsel of praise, followed by another left hook, Gardner continues:

"He (Hayden) puts the hard work in, but I just think he lacks the aggression and skills to really succeed. He just lacks the last two or three percent that guys like Stoner and Vale have got."

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Well, it's always easy to sit on your ass and fire off missiles, get back in the home for geriatrics or go do some gardening, bored of the opinions of former greats.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 11:48

Isn't it about time he shut his gob and go back to shoveling kangaroo shit. First it was the TT (he never had the balls to enter) now MotoGP - can't really take him seriously anymore

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 12:14

Well, it's always easy to sit on your ass and fire off missiles, get back in the home for geriatrics or go do some gardening, bored of the opinions of former greats.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 12:27

Sorry for double post, computer said 'no, I'll do it again'

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 12:28

Yet again Gardner opens his mouth and allows a stream of bolox to come out of it

I used to have respect for Wayne but I think he needs to shut his mouth and put the rest of the world out of his mysery

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 13:37

Psst! Wayne, STFU will you?

 Miserable old codger. 

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 14:30

I think Hayden is over rated to be honest

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 14:32

Bring back the 990cc MotoGP bikes and see what happens. Nicky will be right back in the front. The 800's are making men turn their bodies into waif super models to keep up with the little horse jockeys that came from 250cc. I am looking forward to 2012 is all I have to say and I know that any team with half a brain will sign him for 2011 so they can have him on the 990's in 2012. 

What year did Wayne Gardner do anything? 1987 Dude move on. 

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 16:39

Old moaning aussie prick. Needs to get himself something to do other than complain and take shots at riders talents.

Yeah i can't wait for the return of the 1 litre beasts.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 17:03


Posted: 13/08/2010 at 17:36

Im an Aussie and I hate to say this, our racers may be great, BUT SHIT they are a bunch of miserable moaners, Stoner, Doohan and Gardner all sour faced sooks! In my opinion!!

The opinions expressed by Aaron are not representative of the whole country 

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 18:47

I agree Gargner should go gardening and keep his personal opinions to himself.

I however also think that the American chap should stop thanking God so much, after every race.  I know its an american thing where you have to thank all your family, friends, pets and god...followed by some boo hoo scenes...and for me I find this really annoying.

I dont thank god or anyone when I hook a pearler wheely, I do thank my lucky stars I didn't flip, cause usually its accidental.

But in terms of Wayne the Payne, as someone already said in less words than me...


Let Nicky be the master of his own destiny.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 19:33

At least When Gardner speaks you're listening to a former WORLD CHAMPION bitch and complain....

But when shit like this comes from Matt Mladin, who never had balls enough to leave the slow-lane that calls itself "AMA PRO RACING" It sounds like serious horseshit.

 Honestly, I know Mladin is way faster than me, but comparing AMA to world level racing like he does in his retired rants, is fucking rediculous.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 21:10

Gardner is absolutely spot-on in his summation of Hayden. Isn't it funny how a bunch of little girls that have achieved nothing ( most of those shown here ) can totally disregard the opinion ( however valid or otherwise ) of one of the hardest bastards to ever swing a leg over a racing motorcycle. And he just happened to win a World Title when men were men and one of 5-6 riders could win on any day and their bikes were likely to bite them - it was "highside City "...These geniuses posting here disagree and think Hayden is " lovely " so their only defence is to attack Gardner's age - some intelligent defence, right? Guys, you are all probably "kids" under 25 so WTF would you know anyway? Hayden had the best machines in the best circumstances and won a Title - good on him, OK? But that was then and this is now - so wake up to yourselves. You are all probably of the ilk that started following GP because of Rossi and if he was the only rider out there and "won" you would convince yourselves you had witnessed a great race. Hayden IS 2nd tier - get over it.

Posted: 13/08/2010 at 23:53

Nobody gives a flying fuck what Gardner thinks though, that is the point. He needs to keep his nose out. He seems to be getting confused between aggression and recklessness. there is definatly a second tier of rider in moto gp but nicky hayden is definatly not one of them. The sooner they ditch the 800s the better.

If you actually look at Gardners GP record it isn't that different to Haydens  results so he should just bugger off back to hisV8 Supercars and finish 49th place. If that isn't second tier racing then i don't know what is.

Posted: 14/08/2010 at 01:04

LOL Captain Cremin .. Brilliant ..

Except , after the first line all I could hear was a 12 line giant farting noise ..

Posted: 14/08/2010 at 03:03

All you have to say is: Gardner -> "former"

Posted: 14/08/2010 at 11:46

Me thinks that Gardner has a book coming out soon and needs to drum up some publicity to get some idiots to fork over their £12.99 to buy his ramblings .

Posted: 14/08/2010 at 17:51

MMM hayden 1 world championship

Gardner the same (as my fading memory has it!)

History will make you both the same.

Posted: 14/08/2010 at 20:28

Gardner was very '2nd tier' when compared to the likes of Doohan, Rainey and Lawson. Gardner won a 500cc World Championship, yes, but he was not in the same league as the aforementioned riders.

He achieves nothing by shooting his mouth of like this, other than to make people think he's a right prick

Posted: 15/08/2010 at 12:03

As an ex-racer who knows Nicky and was lucky enough to mix it up with him back in the dirt track days, I have always cheered for him and I wish him the best. Having said that, Gardner makes a good point. But it is not exactly that simple. 

The best rider is the best development rider. Clearly this is Rossi. He left Honda and the team has floundered because he was no longer there to give the feedback to develop the engine and chassis that put them at the top. Now that he is at Yamaha and the M1 has been built from scratch with his feedback, it is now the gold standard and Lorenzo looks like a golden boy. Wait until Rossi is gone a while and the old data is no longer enough. Lorenzo won't look so golden.

Stoner looked brilliant in 08 on the Ducati, but people seem to have forgotten he was the only front runner on Bridgestones that year. Stoner gets credit (rightfully so) but Bridgestone won that championship. Now that everyone else has them, he doesn't look so special.

Nicky is a great rider and very hard working and very consistent. He has repeatedly allowed himself to be put in a team dynamic position where he is perceived as the number 2 rider. In this situation the bike is not built for you, but for your team mate. This limits what changes can be made to the bike to adjustments, etc. that the team can make at the track, versus what the factory can do at the design level. His team mates riding styles have been different enough to give him fits developing the set up that works for him and he doesn't ride beyond what the bike will comfortably do. This puts him where he now is in the current hierarchy.

His last success (honda) came on a bike that was principally developed by Rossi, which probably indicates they have similar styles. That Rossi will be his team mate again in 2011 is most likely very good news for Nicky's future. If Nicky has a 2+ year deal and rides with Rossi on the 990s in 2012-13, they could both do very well. That is a long way off and time will tell but I'm still rooting for Nicky! If not Nicky, then go Spies! May he be the first to beat Lorenzo on the same bike...

Lastly, Gardner has little room to talk as his championship tally is exactly the same as Nicky's. Many more race wins and on fussy 2 strokes to boot, but still bad form to criticize a current rider from your retirement armchair. 

Posted: 16/08/2010 at 02:57

Gardner was second tier rider too compared to Spencer, Lawson , Rainey, Schwantz, Doohan etc etc so he knows what he is talking about.

Posted: 16/08/2010 at 10:27

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