VIDEO: Jailed biker's 139mph footage revealed

While David Saxby was very silly to ride at those speeds I believe that 12 months inside is way over the top!

You get kids knifing each other,  robbing cars and old people and they get a few hours community service!

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 12:24

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Posted: 21/07/2009 at 13:08

Cerealfreak wrote (see)

I agree that the prison sentence is harsh you see people doing worse getting away with nothing.

Cerealfreak wrote (see)

yes he broke the law but he didn't harm anyone

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 13:14

FJSRiDER. wrote (see)

Cerealfreak wrote (see)

I agree that the prison sentence is harsh you see people doing worse getting away with nothing.

Such as?

Cerealfreak wrote (see)

yes he broke the law but he didn't harm anyone

Great!  I can steal your bike and rob your house and since I won't harm anyone no punishment is necessary.  Will that really be okay by you? 

No, but you caused him monetary loss. That would be the "harm" in this scenario.

In the case of mateyboy doing 139mph. . . .no one was harmed, not even a kitten

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 13:34

i want to know who took the case to crown court ?? or was he sent there for sentence ??  

anybody know ??

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 15:31

TongPo wrote (see)

he should of legged it...I reckon the copper would have managed 6 paces before collapsing in a red faced gasping heap. 

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 15:39

gedge wrote (see)

TongPo wrote (see)

he should of legged it...I reckon the copper would have managed 6 paces before collapsing in a red faced gasping heap. 

You didnt watch the end of the video did you?? My money is on the copper against some beer bellied middle aged yob in sweaty leathers..( Yes I know some coppers fit the same description but as we cant see him on screen but can see the rider I know where I would have placed my bet)

yeah...thats what I meant. . . .the copper was the fat twat in the t-shirt, no?. . . the felon the slightly less fat twat in the red leathers

Only one rider pulled over. . . and the fat sweaty one in the t-shirt sppears to show him the front of the bike, and I presume the camera there

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 15:43

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Posted: 21/07/2009 at 15:51

"a case arising from an incident in which a 19-years old man stabbed another with a steak knife outside a nightclub one night last March. The defendant was sentenced to 12 months detention, the last six suspended for 12 months to reflect a plea of guilty and what the judge described as the provocative nature of the complainant's action on the night"

http://www.sligochampion.ie/news/jailed-for-six-months-for-stabbing-incident-outside-sligo-nightclub-1619946.html

so - 6 months for stabbing - 12 months for speeding

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 17:02

wasbikermajor wrote (see)

so - 6 months for stabbing - 12 months for speeding 

FFS - 'to reflect a plea of guilty and what the judge described as the provocative nature of the complainant's action on the night'

The answer is right there in the quote you posted. 

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 17:21

Cerealfreak wrote (see)

I agree that the prison sentence is harsh you see people doing worse getting away with nothing.  yes he broke the law but he didn't harm anyone, and from the looks of it that copper couldn't have kept up with him much longer he should have hammered it down that straight

On that basis, can we let this guy go who built a load of bombs recently, as he didn't kill anyone, or harm anyone. What about this guy who bombed Glasgow Airport?

"nasty" wrote (see)

A year inside AND 4 Years Ban ????   The Judge OBVIOUSLY did'nt get any the night before !!!!!   i would have rode over the cop and claimed he jumped in the way

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 17:40

And the moral of that story is buy a faster bike and ride it as fast as it will go,or don't get caught.

By the way,the 'fat twat' was the copper,they don't wear uniform on an unmarked bike and they don't generally give chase on a pan or bmw.

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 17:52

Vindictive policing/sentencing imo. I would bet that had he not laughed and said "catch some real criminals" when stopped then his sentence wouldn't have been so harsh.

Of course you expect a ban for those speeds but whats happening that people now appear to being jailed because of what might have happened? ( The judge says that had there been an accident it would have been fatal)

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 17:56

panda 18 wrote (see)

Vindictive policing/sentencing imo. I would bet that had he not laughed and said "catch some real criminals" when stopped then his sentence wouldn't have been so harsh.

I don't doubt it.  Look at the quote wasbikermajor made to show that 'stabbing' had a lesser sentence - the accused pleaded guilty and the judge took the provocation from the person who was stabbed into account.  This dick laughed at the police, suggested that he was a better rider and showed a lack of respect.  Reckon you might learn anything from that?

panda 18 wrote (see)

Of course you expect a ban for those speeds but whats happening that people now appear to being jailed because of what might have happened? ( The judge says that had there been an accident it would have been fatal)

His sentence was not for 'speeding' - it was for dangerous driving.  And do you doubt that a loss of control at 100+mph would be likely to have at least one fatality?

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 18:08

Everyone seems to be of a different opinion…  

How many years did the fat cunt with the camera get for his part in the caper? I don't think the gent in the lead would have been going anywhere near as fast had he not been trying to maintain a safe distance between himself and the following bike.

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 18:24

supermario wrote (see)

And the moral of that story is buy a faster bike and ride it as fast as it will go,or don't get caught.

By the way,the 'fat twat' was the copper,they don't wear uniform on an unmarked bike and they don't generally give chase on a pan or bmw.

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 19:17

well FJS, what I would learn from finding out that the courts determine sentencing on whether you show respect is pretty pathetic.

A 4 year ban is also way over the top.

Whilst I don't doubt that there could/might have been a fatality if the bike had crashed, the fact is that there wasn't.

Jail for that is outrageous.

I did like the fact that the initial reason for pursuing him was that he had an illegal numberplate 

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 20:44

How many of the greedy corrupt bastards that run (ruin) the economy have been prosecuted for losing their customer's money? What about the bankers that have stolen your hard earned taxes with the complicit agreement of the government? How many lives have these people ruined for real while not receiving a minute of jail time?

This country is as corrupt and downtrodden as any third world dictatorship, yet still it seems ok to throw a guy like this inside for a year. Tell me, who has really committed the more serious crimes?

Posted: 21/07/2009 at 21:17

panda 18 wrote (see)

well FJS, what I would learn from finding out that the courts determine sentencing on whether you show respect is pretty pathetic.

Why?  Clearly you have no idea of how the system works.  It is how you will get your sentance reduced once you are up for parole too.

panda 18 wrote (see)

A 4 year ban is also way over the top.

I think it is appropriate.  Knob on sportsbike behaving like an arrogant tosser.  Won't take the medicine, jailed and banned.  Sends a message to other ignorant tossers who then spout shite on forums.....

panda 18 wrote (see)

Whilst I don't doubt that there could/might have been a fatality if the bike had crashed, the fact is that there wasn't.

Jail for that is outrageous.

It is neither a precedent nor will it be the last.  Plenty of road users are jailed for similar behaviour.

panda 18 wrote (see)

I did like the fact that the initial reason for pursuing him was that he had an illegal numberplate 

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 07:53

blokeintx wrote (see)

Tell me, who has really committed the more serious crimes?

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 07:55

You're all wrong and FJS is bloody right, get over it!!! See I may be a half wit but I'm sticking up for ya kiddo!!!!

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 08:27

 Sure looks like they wear uniform to me.....

supermario wrote (see)

And the moral of that story is buy a faster bike and ride it as fast as it will go,or don't get caught.

By the way,the 'fat twat' was the copper,they don't wear uniform on an unmarked bike and they don't generally give chase on a pan or bmw.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 09:11

watch the video again though Gedge, the fat sweaty one has got to be the Police rider. I'm not saying the jacket he's taken off wasn't marked,  but he's gotta be the copper.

Not all unmarked bikes are marked "police" like the Busa in your photo either. . .don't most have no markings but a blue light somewhere discreet? The one that pulled me did, can't recall what the rider was wearing but  a most agreeable sort he was,  let me off very lightly for "failure to be in a position to properly control vehicle" (or somesuch wording, 30 quid, no points )Mind you I was almost arselickingly polite to him from the off

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 10:11

TongPo wrote (see)

watch the video again though Gedge, the fat sweaty one has got to be the Police rider. I'm not saying the jacket he's taken off wasn't marked,  but he's gotta be the copper.

Not all unmarked bikes are marked "police" like the Busa in your photo either. . .don't most have no markings but a blue light somewhere discreet? The one that pulled me did, can't recall what the rider was wearing but  a most agreeable sort he was,  let me off very lightly for "failure to be in a position to properly control vehicle" (or somesuch wording, 30 quid, no points )Mind you I was almost arselickingly polite to him from the off

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 10:21

gedge wrote (see)

 you can even see them both muttering to each other.....

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 10:45

gedge wrote (see)

TongPo wrote (see)

watch the video again though Gedge, the fat sweaty one has got to be the Police rider. I'm not saying the jacket he's taken off wasn't marked,  but he's gotta be the copper.

Not all unmarked bikes are marked "police" like the Busa in your photo either. . .don't most have no markings but a blue light somewhere discreet? The one that pulled me did, can't recall what the rider was wearing but  a most agreeable sort he was,  let me off very lightly for "failure to be in a position to properly control vehicle" (or somesuch wording, 30 quid, no points )Mind you I was almost arselickingly polite to him from the off

That IS the Busa used by Humberside for operation achilles.. the fat bloke ISN'T the copper.. the copper (as shown in my photo) wears black leathers not some cheapo stufff from J&S...the pair of them look like mates and you can even see them both muttering to each other.....

you're entirley correct, I've watched it again and his mate doesn't shoot off into the sunset, he turns right, I presume looping back to join his mate. Dam your eagle eyed detective skills

..THAT Busa may be marked, wasn't arguin that point, just saying not all Forces' unmarked bikes have Police written on the side.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 10:54

TongPo wrote (see)

gedge wrote (see)

TongPo wrote (see)

watch the video again though Gedge, the fat sweaty one has got to be the Police rider. I'm not saying the jacket he's taken off wasn't marked,  but he's gotta be the copper.

Not all unmarked bikes are marked "police" like the Busa in your photo either. . .don't most have no markings but a blue light somewhere discreet? The one that pulled me did, can't recall what the rider was wearing but  a most agreeable sort he was,  let me off very lightly for "failure to be in a position to properly control vehicle" (or somesuch wording, 30 quid, no points )Mind you I was almost arselickingly polite to him from the off

That IS the Busa used by Humberside for operation achilles.. the fat bloke ISN'T the copper.. the copper (as shown in my photo) wears black leathers not some cheapo stufff from J&S...the pair of them look like mates and you can even see them both muttering to each other.....

you're entirley correct, I've watched it again and his mate doesn't shoot off into the sunset, he turns right, I presume looping back to join his mate. Dam your eagle eyed detective skills

..THAT Busa may be marked, wasn't arguin that point, just saying not all Forces' unmarked bikes have Police written on the side.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 10:57

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 11:02

I agree that Saxby has broken the law and should be punished. I just cant comprehend the way in which this sentence and other sentences are constructed.

I was hit a few years back by a drunk driver, at about 40-50 mph, the driver then fled the scene of the accident leaving me in the middle oif the road. It destroyed my bike, my shoulder and wasted a good few months of my life. 

She was sentenced to a 2 year driving ban and 28 days community service.

This just doesnt make a lot of sense to me, granted he was being a tosser and riding like a loon but from my experience its a bit strong. Every situation is different agreed, but this is a galactic leap in terms of consistency.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 11:04

Micklewright wrote (see)

I agree that Saxby has broken the law and should be punished. I just cant comprehend the way in which this sentence and other sentences are constructed.

I was hit a few years back by a drunk driver, at about 40-50 mph, the driver then fled the scene of the accident leaving me in the middle oif the road. It destroyed my bike, my shoulder and wasted a good few months of my life. 

She was sentenced to a 2 year driving ban and 28 days community service.

This just doesnt make a lot of sense to me, granted he was being a tosser and riding like a loon but from my experience its a bit strong. Every situation is different agreed, but this is a galactic leap in terms of consistency.

According to press reports he has at least one conviction for driving whilst disqualified which means that he must have had other convictions to have been disqualified in the first place. that is all before we even begin to learn about his other convictions or background..

finally it was his choice to take the matter to crown court for a jury trial...he would have been aware that Crown court has stronger powers for sentencing and so could have predicted if he lost the case a worse outcome..

He has appealled agaonst his sentence ( which maybe the judge predicted ) and will probably get it reduced ...maybe the judge wanted to see him squirm for being a cocky so and so, and a few weeks on bail waiting the hearing might just have an affect on him..

The judge will also be aware that the case will attract a lot of publicity and will no doubt affect the thinking of more than a few bikers who feel they have too much to risk riding at those sort of speeds..

I doubt the judge is stupid and will know full well what he is trying to achieve against the individual and the greater riding community..

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 11:10

The judge will also be aware that the case will attract a lot of publicity and will no doubt affect the thinking of more than a few bikers who feel they have too much to risk riding at those sort of speeds..I doubt the judge is stupid and will know full well what he is trying to achieve against the individual and the greater riding community..

Good point, and I agree with this. Only time will tell if people are willing to call his bluff i suppose!

Im not disagreeing necessarily just know how my sporting career was ended by a silly cow and she was barely touched, even in a monetary sense. Im venting frustration more than anything!

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 11:18

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 11:37

Some interesting bits I picked up from the MCN reporting on this:

The judge jailed David Saxby for his dangerous riding and “arrogant” attitude to the police officer that stopped him

The dangerous riding was the overtake at >90 mph on the brow of a hill.

Mr Saxby was not convicted for the speeding as already 6 months had passed. Also the speeding was not considered dangerous riding per se. "His co-accused barrister proved that riding in excesses of the 60mph limit was not dangerous in itself and Nicholas King was aquitted."

Probably the barrister, while interrogating the police officer PC David Smith, extracted from him that riding at 120 mph was not dangerous (for a police rider) and cleverly made that apply to co-accused Nicholas King.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 13:21

If only he had been on visordown and informed of the unmarked bikes in his area. It may have saved him.

Or perhaps he could argue that the officer wasnt in uniform and therefore cannot arrest him.

His riding didnt look that bad. fast but not bad.

Posted: 22/07/2009 at 17:41

I think you can debate the actions of the biker and the courts  - personally I don' think the punishment fits the crime - but the real issue is inconsistency.

I have seen people get away with the most outrageous stuff: 117mph in a 30, 5pts and £100 for 115 in a 60 AND undertaking and get a ban for 'excess speed' (68) in a 40. There is no rhyme nor reason to it.

The situation gets worse when you look at crime and punishment for other offenses. How is it possible to reconcile 100hrs community service for stabbing someone where someone is seriously hurt (they could have been killed) and 1years jail sentence for speeding and the henious crime of laughing at the police?

I think its time that we adopted a standard tarriff system - conviction for a crime carries a standard sentence with a small amount of leeway for the judge. Its fairly easy to work out for most offences, everyone knows where they stand and you don't get some judge handing out sentences based upon what they're feeling at the time or their personal predjudices. 

N.B. Standard tarriff systems normally work on points and the points make . .  . prizes! e.g. so much over the speed limit; x points, built up area; y points, dangerous driving z and so on.

Posted: 24/07/2009 at 12:27

gedge wrote (see)

TRue but the riders DO all wear something  that is recognisable as uniform...only exception is surveillance bikes  and they have nothing to do with traffic enforcement, and you wouldn't recognise one if it parked on your foot...( I have in the past stopped one before finding out what it was..................)

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