WSB: Toseland set to replace Spies in 2010
Hot rumours from Visordown's WSB mole about who's going where in next year's WSB series
HOT RUMOURS are flying about who’s where for next year in WSB, and it’s not quite as cut-and-dry as you might think.
Here’s the popular take on what’s going on at the moment – but these are just rumours picked up from reliable sources by Visordown's WSB mole.
Right, this is what the paddock Bongo drums are saying: James Toseland leaves Tech 3 Yamaha in MotoGP to go to Yamaha Italia where he will replace Ben Spies (who trades with Toseland and goes to Tech 3 for 2010). Last week Visordown reported how Toseland's business manager, Roger Burnett, has already been in discussions with Suzuki about running JT in next year's WSB series.
Tom Sykes leaves Yamaha to take over a prime spot on the Alstare Suzuki WSB machines.
Points to note here are that Sykes goes very well on Suzukis and has been riding brilliantly in WSB this year, relations between him and Yamaha are widely rumoured to be deteriorating despite the lads good performances and that both he and Toseland are both managed by former rider Roger Burnett.
With the 'No Rookies to Factory Bikes' rule in 2010, the few non-factory seats will be even hotter property in next year's championship, so the pressure for Toseland to perform is immense.
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Spies would be crazy to go to MotoGP (where he'll be an also ran) IF he doesn't win WSB imo. IT would make for a sad looking CV; 3 time AMA superbike champion where the only real competition was Mat Mladin. Runner-up in WSB. Also ran in MotoGP. WSB is where the real racing is at anyhow, if you aren't Rossi, Stoner, Pedrobot or Lorenzo then you aren't anything, especially competitive.
Posted: 22/06/2009 at 16:54
Yeah you're right. After all there's a 3 way tie at the top of the one of the Championships at the moment and a runaway leader in the other. Do you want to open your mouth a bit wider and stick the other foot in?
Posted: 22/06/2009 at 17:09
But your last paragraph is rubbish could be equally well applied to WSB. If you're not on the factory Ducati (Haga, Fabrizio) or the Yam (Spies) then there's nothing for you either. Fair play to Rea for getting in there this weekend but how/where has the racing been any better? It's not!! In fact anyone who gets nostalgic for "the good old days" of various series only needs to look back at results and races to see that, actually, works bikes and one or two riders always dominate.
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 08:21
Rea will come strong now he has the Ohlins suspension sorted, what he did on sunday was mega considering the amount of time he had (they tried the suspension for the foirst time last monday) moto gp is what it is, the racing has not been that great this year, apart from the last 2 laps of the last race IMO it is not the best spectacle, but it is the premier class blah blah blah IMVHO the best racing this year has been world supersport
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 08:47
imo spies has got to go to motogp,he's at the age and hungry to win, i don't think he would shake it up the way he has in wsb but if he can run with edwards or even dovisioso the first season he would do what jt couldn't. some of the tracks he has raced on this season will stand him in good stead for next season in motogp, imo spies is really talented and would push the top four in the second season. anyone who beats malladin week in week out must be a real talent. i agree with lbs in that this is the best racing in motogp since the lawson,rainey,doohan era. wsb is still the 2nd division of racing and only the riders who cannot cut it in motogp go there. maybe rossi is now regretting saying he misses the close racing in wsb.
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 09:01
Should that not read Spies to replace Toseland !!! Christ talk about brit bias as for running with Edwards, why would that be good? running equal with the "winter world champ" who has done absolutely bugger all in his now many years in MotoGP I was a massive fan of Edwards in WSB and the same for Toseland, but Edwards has just not made the grade despite having top machinery, and unfortunately it looks like Jt may be the same. Colin should have returned to WSB after 3 years and tried to regain the world title as his riding style & ability is clearly more suited to superbikes, JT should give it another year and then admit it's not for him if he has still failed to make decent progress on the championship. Get back to WSB and get another title if he can
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 11:44
Should that not read Spies to replace Toseland !!! Christ talk about brit bias as for running with Edwards, why would that be good? running equal with the "winter world champ" who has done absolutely bugger all in his now many years in MotoGP I was a massive fan of Edwards in WSB and the same for Toseland, but Edwards has just not made the grade despite having top machinery, and unfortunately it looks like Jt may be the same. Colin should have returned to WSB after 3 years and tried to regain the world title as his riding style & ability is clearly more suited to superbikes, JT should give it another year and then admit it's not for him if he has still failed to make decent progress on the championship. Get back to WSB and get another title if he can
why should he give it another year?
he may not get the chance if there is no bike for him, talk about brit bias
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 11:49
lets pray james toseland can get his act together like elias last year and stay in moto gp. he proved last year he is good enough but his spills in pre season seam to have knocked his confidence.surley we want a brit in the top class of racing.love spies to be there as well but not at the expence of james toseland.and edwards deserves another year in moto gp as well.the guy is the only one apart from vale with a personality.the guy is comedy genius at time and takes no bullshit. and for those slagging of the racing in either class .check f1 how must the fans of that debacle feel.button winnig it but jesus its shite to watch. will be at wsb this sunday and the speedway gp in cardiff looks like a good weekend to me rock hard ride free as judas priest would say.
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 11:50
i hope Spies does go to Moto GP, but only having won WSB this year, but with the new rules it will take him at least 2 years to get on a factory bike, as (in case you didnt know) a rookie cannot jump stright into a factory ride anymore as we all know there are 6 bikes that can win the moto gp title 2 doocatis, 2 yams & 2 honda's who is moving aside to give SPies the factory ride: stoner, hayden rossi, lorenzo dani, dovi i reckon it has to be either the 2nd doocati, or dani's ride and at that would spies get it with the likes of simonchelli, bautista et al vying for the same rides, and just remember where all the sponsors money comes from italy and spain
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 12:30
Spies- eight wins so far in WSB. Ran out of gas in the last turn or it would have been 9. Last race had bike problems and still finished in 10th. Raced in the Indy MotoGP and had a good showing considering it was the first time on a GP machine. Remember a guy by the name of Hayden. World champ in 2006. Spies can run at the top in MotoGP and win.
Based on that. Spies could only win a championshiop on luck.
Yes. Mr Dual compound won the title, but there was a large elemement of luck in it. I'd like to see Spies in MotoGP. I certainly think he could make a better go of it compared to Toesland.
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 13:07
it's interesting that nearly everyone thinks that jt is not cut out for motogp anymore,i think the biggest drawback for spies is he hasn't come up through 125's and 250's and it will be a massive learning curve for him. the best bike outside the factory big six is jt's and a year with edwards could be just what he needs. i hope it happens!
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 15:49
it's interesting that nearly everyone thinks that jt is not cut out for motogp anymore,i think the biggest drawback for spies is he hasn't come up through 125's and 250's and it will be a massive learning curve for him. the best bike outside the factory big six is jt's and a year with edwards could be just what he needs. i hope it happens!
he has had a year and 6 races now with Colin Edwards and is doing fuck all,
also have you not been following the sport Edwards and Toseland dont speak due to JT poaching Colin's crew chief, so that will not help him 1 bit. keep up harry
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 16:01
<Do you want to open your mouth a bit wider and stick the other foot in? > Lostboysaint <But your last paragraph is rubbish> Lostboysaint My word but aren't you an aggressive little oik? What's up, Mummy and Daddy never teach you how to interact with other humans? I sense your cyber-balls are growing while you read this.
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 17:50
JT gets the same machinery as Colin and still cannot do the business, he is a great rider but unfortunately it looks as if MOTOGP is not going to be his bag (well worth a try though). This has been the same for many others, so we will just have to wait for Bradley  Not sure about the GP this year, but off to Donington on Sunday.........
Posted: 23/06/2009 at 22:51
I was a massive fan of Edwards in WSB and the same for Toseland, but Edwards has just not made the grade despite having top machinery, and unfortunately it looks like Jt may be the same. Colin should have returned to WSB after 3 years and tried to regain the world title as his riding style & ability is clearly more suited to superbikes, JT should give it another year and then admit it's not for him if he has still failed to make decent progress on the championship. Get back to WSB and get another title if he can Finally, someone who agrees with my opinion of Colon Asswad. A handful of podiums in ...what...7 seasons and 0 wins. Yeah he's a measuring stick by which all new GP riders should be measured.
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 02:19
fatboy,i was talking about spies not jt, read my threads properly, i think jt is a spent force in motogp and should get out asap. spies on the other hand deserves his chance for what he's done in wsb, and i think a year with edwards who knows the yamaha as well as anyone would be good for him. it's no coincidence that since edwards has stopped speaking to jt his results have been shite. yamahuh,edwards results have been better than a lot of good riders in motogp, are you saying that everyone other than rossi,lorenzo,stoner and pedrosa should leave motogp?
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 08:30
Edwards has had some good results, but he is not a sunday man in moto gp, and visibly played 2nd fiddle to Rossi for the years he was in the same team, with edwards on your bike you will get some flashes of brilliance, some decent results and some weekends where he goes missing completely, but you wont get a big repair bill either i am not saying that any one other than rossi, lorenzo, pedrosa, stoner or dovi should leave MOTO GP that is just silly........................... so dont be silly harry what i am saying is that to win you need to be on one of those bikes, if not you tell me which other bikes can win a Moto GP title then and i will listen
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 08:43
tim, please read what i'm saying, the last paragraph was about what yamahuw said. i agree with 95% of what you say, the bit i don't agree with is imo the top 4 riders would still be the top 4 riders if they were all on jt's bike. stoner and the ducati proves it.
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 09:46
No harryt that's not what I'm suggesting at all but let's put your statement - that his results have been better than a number of other 'good' riders - into perspective. Let's look at the numbers pertaining to the current field; podiums only and assuming no more for this season- no race wins 'cos Edwards hasn't got any of those.. Rossi - 120 in 10 seasons (12 per) Pedrosa - 30 in 4 (7.5 per) Stoner - 30 in 4 (7.5 per) Lorenzo - 11 in 2 (5.5 per) Hayden - 25 in 7 (3.5 per) Capirossi - 42 in ?? (who knows) Gibernau - 30 in 11 (2.7 per) Melandri - 20 in 7 (2.8 per) Vermeulen - 7 in 5 (1.4 per) Edwards 10 in 7 (1.4 per) Elias - 5 in 5 (1 per) Dovizioso - 1 in 2 (0.5 per) dePuniet - 1 in 4 (.25 per) deAngelis - 0 Toseland - 0 Kallio - 0 Canepa - 0 Takahashi - 0 Talmacsi - 0 Now I freely admit that this isn't the most scientific way of determining a rider's capabilities or potential - not by a long shot but look at who is actually below Edwards on a per season podium average - guys who have been there for less time than him, guys who are brand new or guys who have NEVER had a full factory ride. That's all I'm saying - he's had the rides, he's had the time; so saddle up and f**k off Tex, go back to WSBK where you should have been 3 years ago.
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 15:35
Simoncelli may well have a full factory bike next year. It won't be in the Repsol team though. Edwards should thank his lucky stars he still has a decent ride in motoGP. I like the bloke, but he's talked the talk more than he's walked the walk.
Posted: 24/06/2009 at 22:46
Edwards almost won one but fell off on the last lap Sexy - close only counts with hand grenades 
Posted: 25/06/2009 at 02:05
yamahu it's dificult to argue with your stats even if they do make you look like an anorak,but the point i was making is yamaha really rate him as a test/development rider for the m1 and if spies goes to motogp he will need all the help he can get. agree with a lot of what you say though,edwards has turned into a rite gobshite who talks the talk,especially pre-season.
Posted: 26/06/2009 at 13:02
agree with a lot of what you say though,edwards has turned into a rite gobshite who talks the talk,especially pre-season. He's an underperforming, wannabe who should have never have stayed more than 3 years in GP. He isn't competitive, he isn't consistent, he isn't even close....WHY do teams still give him rides??
Posted: 26/06/2009 at 17:38
And even though the stats make me look like an anorak I've got to say that MotoGP provided all the numbers and my drunken pigheadedness and F- A else to do except look up stats did the rest. Shameful and pathetic I know But at least I'm not Colon Asswad... THIS is the race where I'll be on the podium .... oooooops maybe not ..... repeat for 7 years ..... my front end isn't great..... I see no reason why we can't be on the podium (except for I'm shite) .... thank you and good night - hello AMA
Posted: 26/06/2009 at 17:46
I don't think he'd even be competitive in WSBK any more but I've got to admit - he milked the GP gravy train for all it was worth - did anyone really believe that he would win the GP crown after he left WSBK??? He was washed up 5 years ago ...
Posted: 26/06/2009 at 17:58
Not sure how we can be slating Edwards so much. He's currently joint 6th in the series, 2 points behind Dovizioso, ahead of all these riders: Loris Capirossi Marco Melandri Chris Vermeulen Randy de Puniet James Toseland Toni Elias Alex de Angelis Mika Kallio Nicky Hayden I think Colin's place in MotoGP is deserved, he's about the only WSB rider to have successfully made the switch. He's got to be credited for getting the Tech3 as competitive as it is. That said, I'd love to se edwards, Toseland, Hayden and Vermeulen back in WSB. There's some eager talent in 250s that no doubt want to jump up into the top class before the 250s are abandoned.
Posted: 03/07/2009 at 14:05
I THINK THERE IS SOME UNJUSTIFIED CRITICS IN THIS THREAD TO GET IN THE GP PADDOCK EVEN TO RUN ROUND AT THE BACK YOU NEED TO BE A SPECIAL RIDER AS FOR JT LIKE HIM OR HATE HIM IT HAS BEEN A STEP TO FAR AS FOR BEN HE IS A SPECIAL TALENT AND I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF THE BEN AND MATT SHOWDOWN FOR YEARS I WOULD RATHER HE STAYED IN WSB AND DOMINATE DUCATI, THE 800 BREED OF GPS SUIT 250 RIDERS AND BEN IS NOT THE SMALLEST OF GUYS BY HIS OWN ADMISSION TO GO TO GP WOULD BE A BIG GAMBLE
Posted: 13/07/2009 at 13:09
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