Police Fireblade camera-bike spied in North Wales
Make a note of the registration numbers - sent in by Visordown readers TimskiT and helluvaquick
North Wales Police Fireblade ... note lights either side of the plate
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KEEP YOUR eyes peeled for this black, covert Police camera-bike if you're out and about in North Wales.
Dubbed the CopBlade, the machine was patrolling popular biking routes in the area. The CopBlade has a front-mounted camera and discreet blue lights at each end.
The registration of the black Fireblade is currently CX08 VDZ and CX08 VEL for the black and red one.
Of course, we know that bikers take road safety extremely seriously and we look forward to seeing North Wales Police reduce their casualty figures. Many thanks to helluvaquick and TimskiT who sent in these photos.
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I remember telling people about this sort of thing before on here and people poo pooed me and said things like"why would they do that?" See fuckers I hate to say it but "TOLD YA FUCKIN SO!"
Posted: 14/08/2008 14:02
Because you need accurate speed measuring hardware (nowhere on the bike) as proof. And anything else ie dangerous driving etc etc would have to be corrorborated by a second person.
Still not convinced.
I'm pretty sure that they would make sure that the bike is fitted with whatever is needed to prove speeding offences. Also, why do you need a second person to corroborate dangerous driving?
Posted: 19/08/2008 12:30
True they can show you a video and pressure you on the side of the road to admit to it. But they cannot prosecute you on the strength of this EVER - Go to drivingoffence.com and they will tell you exactly why - There is catagorically no way in the world that if you choose to fight this that they will be able to secure a conviction.
Are you for real?
Do you really think that's the way that the law operates in this country. Yes, there will be some dodgy coppers as in all walks of life, but are you seriously saying that the Police have strategically set themselves up to apply pressure to road users to confess to a crime, as the evidence is insufficient.
Posted: 19/08/2008 13:22
So whats the difference between the bike and any other speed camera, fixed or mobile ? now ya may have a point there tho mate as i was recorded at 109mph but was sent on a rider awareness day thing that cost £150, no points or anything, maybe i should of gone to court rather than stumpin up the money, like most i thought phew, got off light there.
You were lucky. A bit more back luk and those three points could have been the difference between you loosing your license and keeping it.
Posted: 19/08/2008 13:42
The black and red one cruised alongside me, overtook with with and eventualy pulled away from me the Copper gave me a thumbs up as he sped off, when I saw him in the mirrors and doinfg shoulder checks I did not realise he was a copper untill he went past, I can hear you all saying poor obs but he looked just like any other bike rider and indeed did seem to be enjoying himself. The thumbs up did more for me than any 'kill your speed ' signs.
Posted: 19/08/2008 13:48
So whats the difference between the bike and any other speed camera, fixed or mobile ? now ya may have a point there tho mate as i was recorded at 109mph but was sent on a rider awareness day thing that cost £150, no points or anything, maybe i should of gone to court rather than stumpin up the money, like most i thought phew, got off light there.
You were lucky. A bit more back luk and those three points could have been the difference between you loosing your license and keeping it.
Oh i know how lucky i was mate, but then i did it so would of taken what was to come, the copper was a nice bloke, but then i dont get cocky or clever when im stopped so generally they seem to be, i was expectin a ban when first stopped, but he said as i wasnt reckless with the speed he would recomend the course, so i was happy 
Posted: 19/08/2008 13:53
Not at all - There is no mention of that whatsoever - Please try to look at what is actually being said before trying to contradict as soon as you read something. The fact is this (which I will not argue about you with as this comes from an official source): 90% of alledged speeding offence prosecutions either fail completely or have the scentence / points reduced dramatically if defended in court by driving offence solicitor. This is because it is not as simple as the prosecution just having their evedince. When you reply immediately to the NIP that comes through the post then you are instanly 10 times more likely to be done for the full extent of the offence as soon as it hits court. The document which gets you to admit to riding the bike etc is the best way that the prosecution can have a hold over you so don't be so quick to sign it before you seek proper legal advice. That's all I'm saying and there is huge weight in this so do with it as you will.
Posted: 19/08/2008 13:54
So whats the difference between the bike and any other speed camera, fixed or mobile ? now ya may have a point there tho mate as i was recorded at 109mph but was sent on a rider awareness day thing that cost £150, no points or anything, maybe i should of gone to court rather than stumpin up the money, like most i thought phew, got off light there.
You were lucky. A bit more back luk and those three points could have been the difference between you loosing your license and keeping it.
Oh i know how lucky i was mate, but then i did it so would of taken what was to come, the copper was a nice bloke, but then i dont get cocky or clever when im stopped so generally they seem to be, i was expectin a ban when first stopped, but he said as i wasnt reckless with the speed he would recomend the course, so i was happy
I got stopped for brake lights recently. Chap was very friendly and polite. Treat people how you expect to be treated your self and all that.
I often wander about the people who come on here and moan about a pull and say the copper was a bit off. Wouldn't suprise if you give the cop back chat and try and be smart etc etc.
Posted: 19/08/2008 14:09
@ Rubbercowboy because I can't quote. Dunno why just a thick git I guess. How the hell do you know " The fact is this (which I will not argue about you with as this comes from an official source): 90% of alledged speeding offence prosecutions either fail completely or have the scentence / points reduced dramatically if defended in court by driving offence solicitor. This is because it is not as simple as the prosecution just having their evedince" Where does that info come from? What "official source"?
Posted: 19/08/2008 19:47
Because you need accurate speed measuring hardware (nowhere on the bike) as proof. And anything else ie dangerous driving etc etc would have to be corrorborated by a second person.
Because it is the law - there is no way that there is speeding kit on the bike as there are very specific equipment pieces needed to prove speeding offences in a court of law. The purpose of this guy will, at worst, be to pull you over for loud exhausts and visors etc. That is just the way it is.
Its not His own bike...its a job bike, it is fully kitted with Pro-vida video and speed detection kit ( the previous pics of their other bikes showed the controls on the bars)..there is no requirement for a 2nd person corroboration as he already has the kit to do the job..ie his opiniion and the equipment fitted..some people would do well to take what is printed on the internet on sites like Peppipoo and speed awareness with a large pinch of salt..the receipt of an NIP has no effect on the outcome and should not be confused with a s172 requirement to name the driver at the time of an alleged offence ( something which also does not amount to an admission of guilt, nor does it affect the extent of any final penalty) by all means recommend people to get legal advice but please do it from a point of certain knowledge and not WWW.bullshit.com as it only serves to raise false expectations and end up costing people dearly...
Posted: 19/08/2008 19:56
Because you need accurate speed measuring hardware (nowhere on the bike) as proof. And anything else ie dangerous driving etc etc would have to be corrorborated by a second person.
Because it is the law - there is no way that there is speeding kit on the bike as there are very specific equipment pieces needed to prove speeding offences in a court of law. The purpose of this guy will, at worst, be to pull you over for loud exhausts and visors etc. That is just the way it is.
Its not His own bike...its a job bike, it is fully kitted with Pro-vida video and speed detection kit ( the previous pics of their other bikes showed the controls on the bars)..there is no requirement for a 2nd person corroboration as he already has the kit to do the job..ie his opiniion and the equipment fitted..some people would do well to take what is printed on the internet on sites like Peppipoo and speed awareness with a large pinch of salt..the receipt of an NIP has no effect on the outcome and should not be confused with a s172 requirement to name the driver at the time of an alleged offence ( something which also does not amount to an admission of guilt, nor does it affect the extent of any final penalty) by all means recommend people to get legal advice but please do it from a point of certain knowledge and not WWW.bullshit.com as it only serves to raise false expectations and end up costing people dearly...
I just had to click onto www.bullshit.com and its a real forum 
Posted: 19/08/2008 20:04
Whether there is a specific bullshit dot com website or not, I can tell you for sure that Gedge is bang on. Been through enough high speed processes myself to know most of the ins/outs for contesting an alleged offence. There is some merit in the idea that you should contest anything, in fact I strongly urge anyone to do so be it speeding, parking or whatever; always try it on in the first instance. The trick is to know how far to take it and when to concede. Ultimately it will be down to a local magistrate and if you come over as some holier than thou, wannabee solicitor spouting bollocks you read on some website; they will nail you to the wall. Much better to try and wriggle out then capitulate and (in my humble opinion) say as little as possible at the hearing. Either that or pay through the nose for a specialist solicitor and let them do the wriggling for you. Screwd.
Posted: 19/08/2008 20:24
There are also two '08 Fireblades in Cambridge, one red/black the other black as in the picture which I saw first hand a couple of weekends ago. Evidence of this was my friend, his missus and me all being stopped by them all at the same time with the third bike being a BMW. Their reason for stopping us?............................. To point out that there was a 'Police' presence on sports bikes. They'd done not much more than 500 miles each. This was heading north out of Kimbolton and Stone on our way to Oundle, Peterborough. They even recommended some more nice roads towards Corby.
Posted: 19/08/2008 20:32
Rubbercowboy is a bit off line if he thinks you can't get done by these unmarked bikes. I was a bike cop in 'the job' and unmarked bikes are nothing new. The video will be linked to a unit similar to a VASCAR to accurately record your speed. The cop speedo would be calibrated and tested for accuracy and an NIP can (should) be given to you verbally if you get pulled in. Postal NIp's are only needed if you are not stopped at the time of the offence (and no accident occurred as a result of the offence). It is an offence not to comply with the notice requiring you to give the users details so seek legal advice by all means but please treat ribbercowboys staggering 'speeders get off statistics' with a pinch of salt. The big give away for me is the Police Issue Big Bike Cop Breakfast Belly. If you can't see that coming up behind you you deserve to get done. One thing for sure is I never had handcuffs, CS spray and the like on my belt. I never even had a pen....I always had a knife and fork in my leathers. Stay safe out there chums. See you in a cafe somewhere.
Posted: 19/08/2008 21:58
Welcome to VD, foody, Eezi Ryder & Chris Thanks to all for pointing out the error of rubbercowboys ways as well. I always worry when someone comes along spouting bollocks in case some gullible fool believes them Gedge - always a pleasure Hope you get the better of Montezuma soon
Posted: 19/08/2008 22:04
Cowboy you talk bollocks mate, why would they stick a copper on a blade and kit it out with recording equipment if they cant prove it..?
the fact is that his camera records his speed, and if he's doing 90MPH following you, guess who elses speed is being recorded..?
you're a muppet and a half.  Pringz
Posted: 19/08/2008 23:21
I have always found that being ultra polite works wonders. Many many moons ago I was stopped for 80 in a 40, clocked on VASCAR by a Hertfordshire traffic car as i decellerated past the 40 limit signs, or at least so they claimed (I estimate I had been doing up to 110 on the 60mph B road for some time before this). When they caught me I was doing 30 in a 30, so pulled over straight away. I thought I was up for a ban no question so decided to play it straight and very polite, when asked questions like "you were going a bit fast back there, weren't you" or "so how far over the speed limit were you" all intended to get me to admit it, I just pointed out that it was most probably not in my interests to answer. The two cops eventually realised that I wasn't going to confess, so started to mellow a bit, started to chat about the bike, then confessed they usually rode bikes and admitted they had been trying to catch me for about ten miles but couldn't get close enough to clock me on the twisty road (that I knew very well) in the dark. In the end they let me go with with a warning that I would be reported for the offence and could still face prosecution. They parted with the words "oh... and by the way, thanks for a smashing chase!" I didn't know whether to laugh or continue shitting myself! A week later I get a letter from the Metropolitan Police, saying I had been reported for "excess speed" no actual speed mentioned , which Is why I think the "we clocked you at 80 on the 40 sign" line was a porky. And it then advised me of my responsibility to comply with the law but let me off! It seems the 40 limit was the Met boundary, which may explain why I wasn't charged on the spot. and the Met would never do any work for Herts, to this day they don't like each other. But it taught me.... They make up the rules. They are working to a script you don't have a copy Be arsey with them and they will do the same to you A bit of brown nosing sometimes does the trick Don't admit to anything
Posted: 19/08/2008 23:41
Kinda make you want to be a bike cop, doesn't it? Oh dear, what a drag, i had to pursue someone down a B Road on a tax payers blade..... lol, get paid for riding a superbike that someone else pays for, that's what shakey, haslam et al get to do, right? 
Posted: 20/08/2008 01:12
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