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New motorcycle test system to be reviewed

Transport Committee look for feedback as inquiry is launched into the UK's disastrous bike testing system

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Posted: 31 July 2009
by Visordown News

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The new two-part system is to be reviewed

THE TRANSPORT COMMITTEE is to hold an inquiry into the current motorcycle testing system.

Since the new testing system was introduced in April 2009, concerns have been expressed that there are too few test centres and that some test candidates are now required to travel long distances to reach their nearest test centre. Serious doubts have also been raised about the safety of riders taking the off-road test, particularly the 'swerve and stop' test.

Several riders have been injured after crashing while taking the 'swerve and stop' test. Experts claim the test is dangerous and that new riders are at risk from the new manoeuvre, especially in wet road conditions.

The Committee is looking for feedback to answer the following:

Has the DSA interpreted the EU Second Driving Licence Directive correctly and applied it appropriately?
Are the off-road motorcycle tests safe and appropriate?
Is the number of motorcycle test centres adequate and are the locations satisfactory?
What is the impact of the recent changes in motorcyclist testing?

Interested parties are invited to submit evidence by Tuesday 22 September 2009.

Go to:

http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/transport_committee/transpn090727nem.cfm


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Jen Davidson

i am in the process of doing my DAS on the new test and have it booked for tuesday. i have never had a problem with the swerve test and have always performed this well during practice. the test centre itself is very grippy so unless you are doing something really stupid you shouldnt fall off the bike while performing this maneovre.

i agree that there are too few tests centres - i am lucky that there is one round the corner from me but other people have to travel a huge distance to get there

 the only thing is that they only do tests on mondays, tuesdays and wednesdays which isnt enough for the number of people having to attend the test centre - this leaves you having to wait four weeks just for part one test... having done the DAS course i had two days training and then had to wait four weeks for my test - leaving me out of practice - if there were more tests including thursdays and fridays and even a saturday would decrease the waiting time required for a test.


Posted: 31/07/2009 at 12:40


Tom1991
What actually is the swerve and stop manovere?

Posted: 31/07/2009 at 15:35


lou_cbr

i'm doing my test now and i failed on the swerve bit because the speedo broke on the way to the centre and i went through too fast and kicked the cone. i don;t think the test is dangerous, i've practised in the rain and dry and they are purpose built centres and the ground is like glue whatever the weather.

Tom1991- swerve test involves going through a speed trap at 50kph and literally swerving between 2 cones and then stopping in the relevant coned box. take a look at the dsa website all about the tests are on there


Posted: 01/08/2009 at 18:58


Pringle

what is the swerve and stop test..? totally fucking pointless imo...

 if you have to swerve at 30mph, you werent paying due care and attention to the road, and you were negligent to stopping distances...


Posted: 02/08/2009 at 01:02


Tom1991
Lou cbr, your a legend with this learning malarky

Posted: 02/08/2009 at 12:39


Christopher Wright

Having just re-read my rant below please read all, This is not a straight forward situation.

As an experienced mbiker with over 17 years of riding experience (and not all of it during the summer months) I can see the practicallity of the avoidance test.  This teaches new riders skills that I as a new rider many ryears ago have have to work out for myself.  The skill set required to perform the avoidance test is something that can be useful.  For example 'two weeks ago while turning right at a roundabout over a dule carrage way I watch a car driver look at me as she (sorry this time it was a female driver but this is not always the case) approached the roundabout.  She should have given way to me as I was on the roundabout but instead choose wrongly to enter then realised that she had just pulled out in front of me when I sounded my horn.  I had already straightned up the bike in anticipation of having to avoid her.  I then applied the principle of the avoidance test to flick the bike around the front of the car as she stopped.  There was no other option but the front. 

 This is a technique that i have had to teach myself but why not teach new riders this from the start. 

The arguement that Pringle above states -  if you have to swerve at 30mph, you werent paying due care and attention to the road, and you were negligent to stopping distances - is in valid efvery experienced bike knons that at some time or other they will have to avoid an obstacale even if you are paying due care an attention.  there is always the other road user who decides that they want to go and can not wait a few more seconds.  You may see them but that does not mean that they see you.

 Underlaying all of this is the simple fact that although the number of bikers has risen slightly over the last few years we are still 1% of the traffic population but 20% of accident statictics.  Until bikers start taking more responsibility for  their riding and stop riding as though they are on a race track when they are on the road we will always be seen as a dangerous form of transport.  I know there are a minority that spoil it for the majority but as there are so few of us on the road compared to other traffic we need to do something.  Too many of my friends grew up on bikes and had to learn the hard way (sometimes the very hard way) let us do something to help new riders be safer and thus promote biking to more people and raise the awareness of other road users to the joys of bikeing.

 On the other side of the arguement - NO there are not enough test centres, examiners, test slots.  The DSA do need to increase coverage and also appologise to the bike industry and especially the motorcycle training industry for the inept handling of the implementation of the new tes.

 Motorcycle training companies need to be responsible and train effectivly for the new test.  Having heard an instructo from one training school say that they do not bother to train for the Mod 1 is frankly irrisponsible of them.  Hieghlighted by the fact that they have had 3 pupils come off on the Mod 1.  This can only be through lack of training.

 If test candidates brake whilst  steering they are going to come a cropper - cardinal rule of biking brake whilst upright and in a straight line.  The whole point of the avoidance is to test candidates ability to avoid before braking thereby- hopefully -- making riders more capable.


Posted: 03/08/2009 at 11:35


stroumph

I'm having the same problem as Jen:

I managed to fail part 1 after a four week wait (Uturn), now there is a five week wait for a retest during which time I don't expect to see much more time on a bike.

It is a complete shambles, I would not advise any prospective riders to take their test right now, it could be a huge waste of time and money.

Even though I failed, I don't particularly see any problem with the new part one test. I would like to prepare for it properly but my local centre clearly cannot cater for the number of riders at the moment, in a suitable timeframe.


Posted: 04/08/2009 at 12:59


Chris Main

The problems with the swerve and stop test are, it's difficult to train for, the speed required is excessive and is the same in wet conditions (who rides everywhere at the same speed in the wet) it is an un realistic manouver.

Get it 100% right and you pass, get it 99% right and you end up in hospital. who thought that one up. 


Posted: 04/08/2009 at 21:48


Pringle

in response to Christopher Wright's post,
the key to you not having an accident on that roundabout was experience, anticipation, and practice.
As a result, you adjusted your speed, straightened up, and more than likely you were ready to stop if needed, that, is what a swerve test cannot teach or assess, it's just your ability to stay on the bike if shit hits the fan.

 i cant see any advantage of asking someone to deliberatley tempt fate in wet conditions by swerving on a bike at 30mph, that they are "unfamiliar" with.

...but thats just my view... obviously the same bloke behind the SHARP helmet rating scheme is on the same payroll as the new test XD


Posted: 04/08/2009 at 23:58


des bye
 i past my bike test at swindon ther center is got to be the best  first itme i went though at 49 kmh so had to do it again second time i went though at 60 kmh and stoped lol.. but swindon if you can get there

Posted: 14/08/2009 at 19:36


richard mccann

I like many other people think the swerve test is dangerous and would like to see it ejected from the test.

if you swerve like that on the road you are more likely 

A:- it a car coming the other way and have a serious accident (possibly die) 

B:-if you swerve the other way (for one reason or another) hit and kill a pedestrion

utterly stupid idea this swerve test is , i would hate to be the idiot that thought this test up FOOL


Posted: 26/08/2009 at 13:51


Hoffminder

I did the test yesterday and passed. I had practiced in the wet with my instructors and the way they explained it i felt confident doing it in the wet and dry.

Personally i do not think there is any danger in the test itself. It is not much of a swerve and if approached correctly the manoeuvre can be carried out quite gently.

The greater problem is the fact test centres are not local enough. (From what ive read in posts)

What the point of the test is, is another debate. Some folks think it good others think its pointless. Its a definite money making scheme thats all I know. My full test from theory to on road practical will cost approx £118.


Posted: 26/08/2009 at 14:02


upgradescott
I am really glad I saw this coming and took my test last June before all this health and safety wombleness took the test into daftland. I have driven most things including HGV's(Artic and rigid) and black cabs but nothing really prepared me for the bike as its so different. My sympathies for those who have to do it both now and in the future. The test has nothing much to do with reality lets face it, the realities of the road can't be trained for completely as theres always going to be that one thing you never expected and thats the one that'll get you. Most of the skills that good bikers have can only be gained from time in the saddle, (I'm nowhere near), and no amount of swerving around cones can help. Lets hope they actually ask bike instructors and experienced bikers about the skills that they feel are needed rather than the ones that some cage driving politician thinks are important.  

Posted: 28/08/2009 at 14:08


sue morn
I have practiced the swere test with acer of gloucester and they taught me something very valuable about the swerve and that is as soon as you pass the speed meter CUT THE THROTTLE  IMMEDIATELY then you swerve at a lower speed, once you have done the swerve use you brakes to do the emergency stop NOT AS YOU ARE SWERVING . This leaves you not panicing. also angle yourself next to the last  left hand cone when comming around, then aim for the right side of the test bos you do not need to do a straight line through the speed monitor and the swerve is less servere. I was succesfull after a couple of tries. The problem was the speed, I could not reach it high enough, I kept worrying I was trashing my bike with such high revs to get around. I felt safe after learning this and more confident.

Posted: 21/09/2009 at 00:00


lou_cbr
i am now a full licence holder have been for a month now and passesd the part one 2nd time around (speedo now functioning) i don't think the test is useless i think it can show a novice rider how to act in an emergency situation such as a car pulling slightly out of a junction or a child stepping out. however i have found that not all schools take their students down to practise on the test course!! why i do not know! the test centres can be booked in hourly slots over the weekend when the centres are shut and you have use of the speed trap equipment and cones! if your with a bike school who's not taking down for a practise change schools! i spend every sat and sun monring down there with my instructor (now boyfriend) teaching students how to do it! if you turn up on the day and have never seen the course passing would be very difficult!!

Posted: 25/09/2009 at 23:18


nikki mannouch
 hi i have had my big bike test for 8 years .and it took me 5 goes to get it.as an old rider that has been riding from the age of 16.and never took his test till he was in his 40s.i think they should keep the c.b.t.and bring the old test back in.i have only had one bad crash,and that was a lorrys fault.he can down a lane that lorrys was not to go down and he hit me at 71 m,p,h.and i was going 30 m.p.h.. they do nead changes but not like that.

Posted: 11/02/2011 at 16:06

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