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Death smash driver, 93, escapes jail

Widow calls for tighter legislation on elderly drivers as court hands out five-year ban and £3750 fine

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Posted: 2 April 2009
by Visordown News

A 93-YEAR-OLD car driver has escaped prison after being found guilty of causing death by careless driving.

Last month, Visordown reported how pensioner Alfred Ross admitted causing death by careless driving at New Forest Magistrates Court, after he pulled out in his Rover 216 in front of Jeffrey Bennett's Honda VFR 750 on the A337 Lymington Road in Brockenhurst on October 8, 2008. Mr Bennett, 65, who had retired from employment the previous day, died at the scene from his injuries.

After pleading guilty to the charge Ross was fined £3,750 and banned from driving for five years. No custodial sentence was passed.

Following the verdict Mr Bennett's daughter and his partner called for tighter legislation surrounding elderly drivers. They said: "What it has done, however, is highlight the existing legislation governing older drivers, which is grossly inadequate," they said.

"Currently, drivers who are more than 70 years of age are required to complete a form every three years and asked to declare any medical conditions. Only if they declare a medical condition are they required to have an examination by their doctor."

In conclusion, they added: "Surely, we need an immediate change in the law. I would also urge families of older drivers to address any concerns they may have about their driving abilities. You too have a responsibility if you think there is a problem."


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Coldfinger
So this guy happened to be old, what's being done about all theothers that cause smidsys. Are they going to be required to take an eye test and a driving test?

Posted: 03/04/2009 at 01:01


ink ink
A good policy is not to ride into the side of these cars that pull out.

Posted: 03/04/2009 at 08:53


TimskiT

Haven't you heard? They only jail people these days for non-payment of the TV license, council tax and driving offences!

Burglars, rapists and paedos etc. are given lesser sentences like community service and access to retraining and education so that they can be better at their chosen criminal profession next time around therefore evading capture in the first place!!! FFS

Result is that the serious crims are kept in society and the people who don't deserve to spend any time at her madjes pleasure are banged up!


Posted: 04/04/2009 at 01:28


FJSRiDER.
Coldfinger wrote (see)
So this guy happened to be old, what's being done about all theothers that cause smidsys.

What's happening about all the riders that fail to avoid them and drive into emerging cars? 
Coldfinger wrote (see)
Are they going to be required to take an eye test and a driving test?

Technically they do have to have a check by a doctor - in reality as long as they can make it to the surgery doctors seem pretty loathe not to tell them they are alright to drive.

Posted: 04/04/2009 at 07:22


Gdad
Well I've made it to 65 and, no matter what my optician and doctor says to the contrary, I don't reckon that I'm fit to drive.  My reaction times and attention span are just not up to modern road conditions and I do NOT want to be responsible for injuring anyone so I've given it up.

Posted: 07/04/2009 at 13:04


Huw
Gdad wrote (see)
Well I've made it to 65 and, no matter what my optician and doctor says to the contrary, I don't reckon that I'm fit to drive.  My reaction times and attention span are just not up to modern road conditions and I do NOT want to be responsible for injuring anyone so I've given it up.
My Mother did the same, clean licence for 50 years no accidents, when she got to 70 she decided as she had a free buss pass and a willing son to take her anywhere she wanted, she no longer needed to drive. She says the same as you, too many cars on the road, reaction times and concemtration not as it was, and no longer felt safe.

Posted: 07/04/2009 at 13:54


Big_Dave

Ultimately any loss of life is always hard.

But i must say the difference in approach by the courts/police is pretty hard to bear. I watched an episode of " Traffic Cops" the other day where they pulled some old boy over:

 Do you have a license sir?? - Well its just a piece of paper, and not a real law?

Do you have insurance? - Well its so very expensive these days

Do you have an MOT - Have you seen the cost of labour, i am only on a pension..

OK then old boy lets take you home: Policemen drives gent home in his car and gets an earful for his trouble.

Anyone want to take a guess how that conversation goes if you swap the old geezer for an 19 year old in hot hatch??? Cant see him getting a lift home somehow?


Posted: 07/04/2009 at 14:10


spacecowboy1969

i went garden center the other day in teighmouth full old gits who cant drive for toffee most dangerous place on the road glad i was in my car  one old dear had a neck brace one she must been 80 with a pope mobile you know the sort a box with wheel s she reversed in the nissan almeria behind her then couldnt get it in gear me and my mrs stood there in bloody amasment as she then went forward then reversed into it again then drove off car park on wrong side off the road nearly hitting a guy pulling in head on then swerved nearly knocking a couple more off the old dears over it was a bloody comedy sketch she could even move her neck from side to side there was loads of bikes on the teighmouth road that day glad i left my gixer at home  god help us well even he cant manage that with the current climate "mr franklin " live from another sad day on the roads better get me bus pass   ps forgot to say how many more chav young teenage dreamers who smoke spliff s no seat belt driving playboy big exhaust big body kit crap paint job under powered french crap cars who couldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding who support man u sorry but upset about albions bottom off league due to paying all the share holders and players far to much money  please give up your licences until youve drove a moped or a 125 for a couple off years and learn to bloody drive the end


Posted: 08/04/2009 at 09:12


Ball Of Shit

I saw one reverse into a bollard at Homebase and the car ended up with the back wheels stuck off the ground.

 I hate it when you are stuck behind one in the car doing 40 in a 60 zone then goes on to continue at 40 in a 30 zone as if they only have one speed.


Posted: 08/04/2009 at 09:45


spacecowboy1969
i do about 12,000 year on my bike and maybe 20,000 in the car things are getting so bad even i getting bit off arse twitch on my bike women pulled out on me last week some snobby bitch in stourbridge while i was filtering the she had the ad to wave to me as though it was ok if i could turned round i would pulled all her hair out as i dragged her out the car and taught her to look both ways not to the bloody left dumb bitch must been one of jaki smiths the mp s mate s dumb cow  had a nice tangle with a black murc lambo on the hagley rd thought he could loose my little 750 gixer ha ha what a knob get some lessons first  prob guy from royal bank off scotland  thought they wre meant be fast he cained in every gear i was still behind him didnt like when filter passed at the  lights haha ps not saying women are crap just usually old, asian ,taxi,van,chav,teenagers,and max biaggi and sete gib and stoner cause he got big head glad to see lewis hamilton finally got his com upence haha cocky little shit think he should join bmw then he can drive with spliff in his mouth didnt his dad write off his super  duper porsche what a shame maybe he should pushed him into bikes  ha ha not man enough me thinks

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:00


Mickey Blake
Back to the original  story. My mate was driving the truck the motorcyclist overtook that the old guy didn't see. Yes thats right, the old guy pulled out on a big 44 Tonne Articulated lorry that he didn't see, just dumb bad luck to be overtaking the lorry when that happens. The other issue is, Now this is hearsay, as this is what i was told but, The bike overtook in a really crap place. My mate who was in the artic reckons the motorcyclist shouldn't have overtaken there.  Just bad luck.

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:10


Big_Dave
Ball Of Shit wrote (see)

I saw one reverse into a bollard at Homebase and the car ended up with the back wheels stuck off the ground.

 I hate it when you are stuck behind one in the car doing 40 in a 60 zone then goes on to continue at 40 in a 30 zone as if they only have one speed.


Thats my personal favourite, but at least on the bike you can easily blast past.

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:11


spacecowboy1969
had the gov or road watever knob head society just drop the speed limit to 50 from 60 like every other road in bloody tamworth why do i have to put put every day behind the morons who travel like sheep into brum or derby every day when i can safely drive at 60 70 80 im better with a clear road in front  so i can see tractors dumping there shit in the middle off the road these people are to blame not giving us the choice it been taken away from us free country my bleeding arse like the police and there new helicopters you watch the progrmas how many actual criminals do they catch fuck all they all get slap on wrists or com service why not have chain gangs like america or the death plenty people actually pefer jail to real life what thats all about guy took a life eye for eye give him leathful injection then maybe guys family feel better  he knew he was to old to drive and didnt have the reaction s off a young person so if you to old to drive stay off the road or do a bloody track day where you only putting yourself in danger im sure a 65 bloke would think twice when overtaking???????????????? cause i got a 8 year old lad and two friends that died one at 8 gavin mcrae yes colins 1st cousin and my best mate alastair who my sons named after who one was killed by some idiot pissed up in blackwood lanark scotland and the other went head on into a tree after passing out on yts for nissan so sometime s thing stop you being a twat on the road "rip gavin, alastair  colin and little jonny mcrae

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:26


FJSRiDER.
Mickey Blake wrote (see)
The bike overtook in a really crap place. My mate who was in the artic reckons the motorcyclist shouldn't have overtaken there.  Just bad luck.

That's not any sort of luck. 

It is, if true, really the riders fault isn't it?


Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:31


spacecowboy1969
if the road was clear wasnt the guy allowed to over take the lorry it the old git who didnt react or give a shit about the consequences of pulling out ????? just like the super markets always the old gits stuck in the middle jabering about gov etc etc there pensions ,teenagers etc etc they wonder why they like it cause the old taught them to have no respect  they caused the country go down the pan to greed greed greed !!!!!!! selfish selfish selfish

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:38


FJSRiDER.
spacecowboy1969 wrote (see)
if the road was clear wasnt the guy allowed to over take the lorry

If someone 'pulls out' the road was not clear enough was it? 

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 10:53


IlPrincipeBrutto
I second FJSRiDER on this one.
You should never overtake over a junction/side road, a rule that is repeated in a lot of places, from magazines articles to the Motorcycle Roadcraft.
Clearly, checking that the road ahead is free of dangers becomes quite tricky when you have to overtake a large vehicle, like a lorry or a coach.

Ride Safe,

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 13:00


ink ink
IlPrincipeBrutto wrote (see)
I second FJSRiDER on this one. You should never overtake over a junction/side road, a rule that is repeated in a lot of places, from magazines articles to the Motorcycle Roadcraft.

Even the Highway Code, disobedience of which is bad news in court.

167

DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

  • approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 13:30


moviemanlo
if you see a car driven by a person wearing a flat cap expect problems ! they probably are so decrepid they can barely see past the bonnet . they probably also have a tartan blanket on the parcel shelf and a lovely thermos of tea somewhere in the car .

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 14:21


Huw
spacecowboy1969 wrote (see)
had the gov or road watever knob head society just drop the speed limit to 50 from 60 like every other road in bloody tamworth why do i have to put put every day behind the morons who travel like sheep into brum or derby every day when i can safely drive at 60 70 80 im better with a clear road in front  so i can see tractors dumping there shit in the middle off the road these people are to blame not giving us the choice it been taken away from us free country my bleeding arse like the police and there new helicopters you watch the progrmas how many actual criminals do they catch fuck all they all get slap on wrists or com service why not have chain gangs like america or the death plenty people actually pefer jail to real life what thats all about guy took a life eye for eye give him leathful injection then maybe guys family feel better  he knew he was to old to drive and didnt have the reaction s off a young person so if you to old to drive stay off the road or do a bloody track day where you only putting yourself in danger im sure a 65 bloke would think twice when overtaking???????????????? cause i got a 8 year old lad and two friends that died one at 8 gavin mcrae yes colins 1st cousin and my best mate alastair who my sons named after who one was killed by some idiot pissed up in blackwood lanark scotland and the other went head on into a tree after passing out on yts for nissan so sometime s thing stop you being a twat on the road "rip gavin, alastair  colin and little jonny mcrae
Great post, but i'm out of breath reading it.

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 16:34


wavydave13
Ball Of Shit wrote (see)

 I hate it when you are stuck behind one in the car doing 40 in a 60 zone then goes on to continue at 40 in a 30 zone as if they only have one speed.


that boils my piss as well mate.

Posted: 08/04/2009 at 17:53


Big_Dave
Huw wrote (see)
spacecowboy1969 wrote (see)
had the gov or road watever knob head society just drop the speed limit to 50 from 60 like every other road in bloody tamworth why do i have to put put every day behind the morons who travel like sheep into brum or derby every day when i can safely drive at 60 70 80 im better with a clear road in front  so i can see tractors dumping there shit in the middle off the road these people are to blame not giving us the choice it been taken away from us free country my bleeding arse like the police and there new helicopters you watch the progrmas how many actual criminals do they catch fuck all they all get slap on wrists or com service why not have chain gangs like america or the death plenty people actually pefer jail to real life what thats all about guy took a life eye for eye give him leathful injection then maybe guys family feel better  he knew he was to old to drive and didnt have the reaction s off a young person so if you to old to drive stay off the road or do a bloody track day where you only putting yourself in danger im sure a 65 bloke would think twice when overtaking???????????????? cause i got a 8 year old lad and two friends that died one at 8 gavin mcrae yes colins 1st cousin and my best mate alastair who my sons named after who one was killed by some idiot pissed up in blackwood lanark scotland and the other went head on into a tree after passing out on yts for nissan so sometime s thing stop you being a twat on the road "rip gavin, alastair  colin and little jonny mcrae
Great post, but i'm out of breath reading it.

+1: great post, but a few spaces would be greatly appreciated.

Just about getting my vision back..


Posted: 08/04/2009 at 21:46


spacecowboy1969
another rant how come alll coppers get off doing anything wrong its a bloody fix they retire at 55 after doing fuck all for all there career getting alway it at tax payers expense drive round it cars paid for me like bloody subarus and helicopters which would be better spent on the air ambulance saving lives not putting them at risk on a pension which is based on final salary great do we retire at 55 on a great big salay no so who the fuck let this happen us the stupid general public bloody mugs like the mp s all greedy fuckers taking all for a ride up the garden path !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 09/04/2009 at 12:34


spacecowboy1969
like this the speeder testing his car let off guy who killed this paper seller be let off the police who attack the guy in his own drive way let off guys who killed that foriegn lad let off list is endless but one us does something wrong the tax payer oh let jail fine and let him rot in jail eh this country a joke unless you rich an mp or a bloody jonny foriegner !!!!!!! or and a policeman

Posted: 09/04/2009 at 12:37


FJSRiDER.
spacecowboy1969 wrote (see)
how come alll coppers get off doing anything wrong its a bloody fix

'All' don't. 

Posted: 09/04/2009 at 16:10

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