Dead biker found in spare room
House owner finds corpse in his spare room following crash
A DEAD biker's body was found in a spare room after the rider flew through a window after crashing off a country road.
The Mirror has reported that John Botwright, 71, heard "a noise louder than a bomb explosion". And when he investigated, the body was among the debris of the wrecked extension of his home.
The unnamed biker, in his 50s and from Exmouth, Devon, was catapulted over a hedge while his Triumph Tiger landed on the garage roof on Saturday.
The now-unsafe 300-year-old cottage, in a dip on the B3919 at nearby Doddiscombsleigh, must be partly demolished and rebuilt.
But retired London traffic cop Mr Botwright, who was about to sell up before joining his wife at their new house in Dorset, said: "My thoughts are more with the poor man's family.
"What I saw after a noise louder than a bomb explosion was very distressing."
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Hang on a minute, Why is it a tragic loss ?? Did you all know the rider personally ?? I feel more for the old fella who found the mess. I wouldnt mind putting money on the fact that the rider was riding outside of his limits. Before you all start shouting at me yes i agree that it shouldn't happened, but it did and time n tide wait for no man.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:30
Any loss of life is tragic in my book.
Would that include terrorist on death row when found guilty ?
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:42
Did you all know the rider personally ??
No. Luckily we live in a world where people do have feelings for the circumstances of complete strangers, or our charities would be in a bad way.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:45
I wouldnt mind putting money on the fact that the rider was riding outside of his limits. How can you say that without knowing the facts ? The cottage owners dog may have ran out of the garden into the riders front wheel , cataputing him over the handlebars and into the building. Or a farmer may have left sh*t all over the bend (like they do) Or he may have had a front wheel tyre blow out Or he may have had a heart attack and lost consciousness before losing control
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:50
I wouldnt mind putting money on the fact that the rider was riding outside of his limits. How can you say that without knowing the facts ? The cottage owners dog may have ran out of the garden into the riders front wheel , cataputing him over the handlebars and into the building. Or a farmer may have left sh*t all over the bend (like they do) Or he may have had a front wheel tyre blow out Or he may have had a heart attack and lost consciousness before losing control
If any of the above list was a contributory factor then we'd have been told about it,
Perhaps the rider wasn't local and didn't know the road well enough and got caught out, there could be a thousand and one reasons why this happened sadly we will probally never know the facts why it happened.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:53
If any of the above list was a contributory factor then we'd have been told about it, Perhaps the rider wasn't local and didn't know the road well enough and got caught out, there could be a thousand and one reasons why this happened sadly we will probally never know the facts why it happened. You're quite right, so my vote goes for speculating wildly about it, and condemning the dead chap for poor riding skills in the absence of any facts. Who's with me? 
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 14:55
then we'd have been told about it Maybe , but probably not if the facts got in the way of a 'good' story. I'm with roebird
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:02
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Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:13
It would be wrong for anyone to condem the rider myself included, unless we witnessed the accident it's impossible to lay the blame firmly at anyone's door. It was just my gut instinct that made me think the rider was outside his limits, i'm not saying i'm right or wrong, but IF he were within his limits and the speed limit for that road then why did he and the bike fly so far ??
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:15
because the cottage owners dog (pheasant , monkjack, treebranch , fox , farmers shite, princess Di's chauffeur, deer, badger or shopping hanging from handlebars) got caught up in the riders front wheel. We don't know, so we shouldn't speculate. We don't know how experienced the rider was, or if he had done it before !
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:20
.... .. . . . We don't know how experienced the rider was, or if he had done it before !
if he had died before?
i doubt it
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:24
It made me smile  so did Y2
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:38
If he had landed my spare room, i'd of had a rent book in his hand( if I could find one) pretty sharpish . . . . . . . . .tis only down the road from me, haven't heard any gossip yet, but I will.
Ill ask the local plod for any info
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:38
Any loss of life is tragic in my book.
Would that include terrorist on death row when found guilty ?
Yes absolutely. Only the tragedy there is possibly what lead the terrorist to go in that direction in the first place. On the OP. Spare a thought for the unfortunate people who have to pick up the pieces after any accident, or who might have witnessed it.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:49
A-I-S wrote (see) If he had landed my spare room, i'd of had a rent book in his hand( if I could find one)
PMSL, is that wrong? I shall await the version from our man-in-the-know then, before listing any more hypothetical scenarios. AIS, give plod an out-of-date biscuit next time he comes in, and pump him for info.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:51
A-I-S wrote (see) If he had landed my spare room, i'd of had a rent book in his hand( if I could find one)
PMSL, is that wrong? I shall await the version from our man-in-the-know then, before listing any more hypothetical scenarios. AIS, give plod an out-of-date biscuit next time he comes in, and pump him for info.
its a she, and I wouldnt mind pumping her for info 
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:54
Was papamedic one of the Smurfs ? joking aside , they do a great job , can't say the say the same about the boys in blue tho'
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:55
Don't agree with you on the boys in blue, I'd not fancy telling the guys wife and children the awful news. Tragic news, whatever the circumstances.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 15:59
its a she, and I wouldnt mind pumping her for info Plodette I work with a guy who used to be a traffic sergeant, who gave it up a few years ago. He is still haunted now by some of the horrible things he had to deal with. In particular trying desperately to save the life of a young girl who died in his arms before the ambulance arrived. They're not all heartless bastards.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:09
Another wild theory - It could have been suicide enuff , still no point in speculating
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:10
What if it was a wife beating, black, gay, terrorist riding the bike? Would it be a tragic loss of life? Why is death tragic? Or more importantly why force your tragic death views onto others? I really don't like these threads that repeat and repeat and repeat. The bloke got on the bike, the bloke pulled away - doesn't matter wether he rode beyond his limits or a big hiant baboon flicked him off the road - it was his time. Death is something to accept, not something to make a drama out of - honestly, some guy dies and all you can think of is your own inability to accept the circumstances. I see this often at funerals - the affair turns into a staged plot for emotional vampires to turn it into their own grief stricken blabber instead of thinking of the person who has actually died.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:10
Why is death tragic? Or more importantly why force your tragic death views onto others?
Funny, I didn't notice being forced into this thread at all. Sorry that you were, onlyme2, and I hope you manage to fight your way out of it quickly.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:15
What if it was a wife beating, black, gay, terrorist riding the bike? Would it be a tragic loss of life? Why is death tragic? Or more importantly why force your tragic death views onto others? I really don't like these threads that repeat and repeat and repeat. The bloke got on the bike, the bloke pulled away - doesn't matter wether he rode beyond his limits or a big hiant baboon flicked him off the road - it was his time. Death is something to accept, not something to make a drama out of - honestly, some guy dies and all you can think of is your own inability to accept the circumstances. I see this often at funerals - the affair turns into a staged plot for emotional vampires to turn it into their own grief stricken blabber instead of thinking of the person who has actually died.
isnt that what death is all about, the dead person knows nothing about it, everyone else misses dead person, so turn to blabber as you put it
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:22
death is part of an individuals journey, it is part of life, it is the passing away from this realm. Those who think death is tragedy haven't accepted their own demise yet. When I was a child, death seemed tragic, I couldn't deal with the seperation anxiety. But as an adult and parent I can choose to learn more and help my kids so they don't feel tragedy also. Tragedy is a drama which unfolds in the plot of those wanting it. This story of the rider is not a tragedy nor is it shocking. But I accept that some people may feel shocked and may think it a tragedy becaus of their own psychology and they're entitled to think/feel so. I guess I'm just a bit hardened to such things, it takes a lot to rattle my cage or squeeze my lemon.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:34
Wish I could fly
Right up to the sky
But I can't You can't? I can't...
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 16:50
Whatever the cause of death, he's probably wishing that Heaven (or Hell) had internet so he got put his two penniesworth in......................... Relating to a similar story, a guy left this office a few weeks ago to start a new job, first day of his new job he was killed on the motorway to his new place of work. All the orbituary's afterwards stated "how safe" a rider he was, he wasn't, he was a complete and utter lunatic. he used to use the same road as me to work and I used to watch him cut through gaps at 135+ that I wouldn't have wanted to take a tank through. I even used to think to myself that I would be stopping one morning and peeling him off the floor. Prime example of knowing the person and facts before you start throwing stones in green houses.................
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 17:06
Wish I could fly
Right up to the sky
But I can't You can't? I can't... I can , courtesy of ryanair Heeeey
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 17:09
death is part of an individuals journey, it is part of life, it is the passing away from this realm. I rather suspect it will be the end of my journey, not just part of it. Maybe this is why we feel differently about the subject. Those who think death is tragedy haven't accepted their own demise yet. I don't worry about my demise at all, as I won't be there to be affected by it. I worry more about carrying on without the people around me who make my life so great. When I was a child, death seemed tragic, I couldn't deal with the seperation anxiety. But as an adult and parent I can choose to learn more and help my kids so they don't feel tragedy also. Do you think they would miss you, and wish that you were still there, if you died unexpectedly? Tragedy is a drama which unfolds in the plot of those wanting it. I'll be honest, I'm just confused by this bit. This story of the rider is not a tragedy nor is it shocking. But I accept that some people may feel shocked and may think it a tragedy becaus of their own psychology and they're entitled to think/feel so. If someone feels it's a shocking tragedy, then it is to them. If you don't think so, then it isn't to you. Does it have to be one thing or the other, as a blanket rule for everyone? If I'm happy about something, that's a good thing to me, but if the same thing makes you miserable, then it's a bad thing for you. I guess I'm just a bit hardened to such things, it takes a lot to rattle my cage or squeeze my lemon.
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 17:36
And the guy who landed in the Spare room is still dead...................................
Better get Doris Stokes in, to put his tuppence worth in then. 
Oh, hang on, isn't she dead too? Bugger, now what?
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 17:42
What if it was a wife beating, black, gay, terrorist riding the bike? Would it be a tragic loss of life? Why is death tragic? Or more importantly why force your tragic death views onto others? I really don't like these threads that repeat and repeat and repeat. The bloke got on the bike, the bloke pulled away - doesn't matter wether he rode beyond his limits or a big hiant baboon flicked him off the road - it was his time. Death is something to accept, not something to make a drama out of - honestly, some guy dies and all you can think of is your own inability to accept the circumstances. I see this often at funerals - the affair turns into a staged plot for emotional vampires to turn it into their own grief stricken blabber instead of thinking of the person who has actually died.
death is part of an individuals journey, it is part of life, it is the passing away from this realm. Those who think death is tragedy haven't accepted their own demise yet. When I was a child, death seemed tragic, I couldn't deal with the seperation anxiety. But as an adult and parent I can choose to learn more and help my kids so they don't feel tragedy also. Tragedy is a drama which unfolds in the plot of those wanting it. This story of the rider is not a tragedy nor is it shocking. But I accept that some people may feel shocked and may think it a tragedy becaus of their own psychology and they're entitled to think/feel so. I guess I'm just a bit hardened to such things, it takes a lot to rattle my cage or squeeze my lemon.
May I ask what the difference is between you expressing your opinion that of other posters who you seem to believe are forcing their views onto others?
Posted: 21/10/2008 at 17:48
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