Bikers plan protest over cancelled Welsh Show

Motorcyclists PLAN A RIDE OUT !!!! To SHOW SUPPORT FOR Builth wells  traders , NOT a PROTEST  ride.

 In 10yrs of the Welsh Bike show i have yet to see violence there .

This show is so peaceful , thats why its full of families every year .

The police concerns were the Hells angels  and the outlaws , NOT  families  , if the police had these concerns then act on them ,BAN these 2 groups ,from the U.K  as you do the football fans who misbehave.

Surveilance , and arrests for conspiracy , if fact POLICE them , not make hundreds of people suffer for lack of Poilcing .

The H.A , and other groups are banned all across europe , so why should we put up with them.

Act against these violent groups , not quiet Builth wells , Wales only big motorcycle event .

Thanks.

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 05:10

Capt.Sensible wrote (see)

Motorcyclists PLAN A RIDE OUT !!!! To SHOW SUPPORT FOR Builth wells  traders , NOT a PROTEST  ride.

 In 10yrs of the Welsh Bike show i have yet to see violence there .

This show is so peaceful , thats why its full of families every year .

The police concerns were the Hells angels  and the outlaws , NOT  families  , if the police had these concerns then act on them ,BAN these 2 groups ,from the U.K  as you do the football fans who misbehave.

Surveilance , and arrests for conspiracy , if fact POLICE them , not make hundreds of people suffer for lack of Poilcing .

The H.A , and other groups are banned all across europe , so why should we put up with them.

Act against these violent groups , not quiet Builth wells , Wales only big motorcycle event .

Thanks.

Got any links to back up that claim..or are you just talking out of your arse??

http://www.hellsangels.nl/

www.[b]hells[/b]-[b]angels[/b]-[b]germany[/b].de

http://www.hellsangelsmc.es/

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 11:12

gedge wrote (see)

Got any links to back up that claim..or are you just talking out of your arse??

http://www.hellsangels.nl/

www.[b]hells[/b]-[b]angels[/b]-[b]germany[/b].de

http://www.hellsangelsmc.es/

whilst being correct, it seems like a weak snipe at the purpose of the post, we should not put up with rallies being cancelled that the back patch clubs are never invited to anyway, and if they do turn up are either thrown out by the organizers or by the police at the request of the organisers.

Have you ever bothered looking at the flyers gedge?.  Does usually say " back patch clubs by invite only " for which none are invited.

I think your knowledge counts for fuck all, when it comes to the biker community, stay out of things you know nothing about.

I'm off to a rally in a couple of weeks, Gedge, I can assure you that no back patch clubs will be there or welcomed there ( due to current climate ), and will be evicted if they turn up.

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 13:25

Point is the poster made some vague reference to how they do it abroad which is frankly incorrect..

I am pretty sure that UK police forces are actively carrying out surveillance and will on occassions ( as they have done in the past) make arrests for conspiracy etc.. the poster was talking shite in order to make a point about the welsh show that has already been well debated..

I still think you are being incredible naive with your view that the patch clubs won't turn up without an invite...( and as I have already posted I know of at least one case where they effectively wrote their own..) but as you say my knowledge counts for fuck all after all you dress like a biker which means that you know much more than me..

( now thats sarcasm)

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 13:35

gedge wrote (see)

I still think you are being incredible naive with your view that the patch clubs won't turn up without an invite...( and as I have already posted I know of at least one case where they effectively wrote their own..)

I never said they havent and I know of occassions when they have, but that was in different times and they werent welcome then either to be honest, even at a Harley rally they were evicted.  They wont turn up now because they know because of whats going on they will not be welcome by anyone.

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 13:53

I am not sure how you  identify 'different times'?? we are only one year on from the shooting of Gerry Tobin and as is well known the HA will neither forgive or forget..even with my limited knowledge of biker gangs I can see that this means the matter is far from closed..and no doubt somewhen /somewhere it will result in further violence..?

 and I cannot see that 'refusing them entry' anywhere is going to cut much ice( wasnt one the recent murders at the rockers reunion ?)...as I have already said I have no idea what the police intelligence sources claim to know, but I suspect that there is a great deal of claim and counter claim going on within the gangs and sources close to them, and the police will respond t what they hear...and in this case it seems, so will the show site owners..sad, but a fact of life these days..

Its also not the first time the police have asked for events to be cancelled

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/147610.stm

Posted: 26/05/2008 at 14:05

gedge wrote (see)

I am not sure how you  identify 'different times'?? we are only one year on from the shooting of Gerry Tobin and as is well known the HA will neither forgive or forget..even with my limited knowledge of biker gangs I can see that this means the matter is far from closed..and no doubt somewhen /somewhere it will result in further violence..?

Whist I understand what you are saying, the events that have been closed ( bar rock and blues ) are nothing to do with outlaw motorcycle clubs, and do not allow them in the grounds, however outlaw biker clubs rarely turn up to these event because they know they will be pretty much ignored and not wanted by the majority of people at the rallies anyway.

In my experience theres only ever been one rally I went to where they turned up uninvited and the police were called when it got out of hand by the rally organizers, this was in 1990, even when there was trouble around 10 years ago the rallies were still safe from OBC violence.

I should know because I do rallies, have done for years and have been to many different rallies, club organized or ones organized but a few enthusiasts or owners clubs, and not once have I come across violence or trouble to warrant even the police sniffing around the event let alone closure.

 and I cannot see that 'refusing them entry' anywhere is going to cut much ice( wasnt one the recent murders at the rockers reunion ?)...as I have already said I have no idea what the police intelligence sources claim to know, but I suspect that there is a great deal of claim and counter claim going on within the gangs and sources close to them, and the police will respond t what they hear...and in this case it seems, so will the show site owners..sad, but a fact of life these days..

Its also not the first time the police have asked for events to be cancelled

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/147610.stm

No its not gedge, but we can that one was 10 years ago which pretty much shows that rallies are quite safe and doesnt need the police or the government to put there noses to far.  Lets also take into account that most of these rallies are far away from the general public anyway.

Also with that little link, dont we have motorcycle pile up at events like chelsea bridge etc, no one links  that to motorcycle clubs do they.

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Posted: 26/05/2008 at 16:09

with regards to shows being stopped and the organisers losing vast ammounts of money.This all being due to the police scare mongering because they themselves are afraid of the bike world.if they actually looked and learnt they would see a show like builth was family orientated and very rare violence in the form of a scuffle.whereas the royal welsh show i believe had two accounts of rape last year as well as much  more violence than the bike show.i cannot see this being cancelled.

once again bikers are the easy target! i do rallies every year and very rarely see violence with regards to the H.A shows, they police themselves and any trouble is sorted quickly. I know that iv been able to go to my tent alone and been safe.

The police and plastic bikers need to realise that clubs police themselves should be left to get on with it.

In responce to the H.A retaliating against the outlaws they already have at an airport....are they now to shut all the airports?????

pissed off leave us alonex

Posted: 05/06/2008 at 19:25