It's every biker's worst nightmare, running wide, hitting a car ... and being captured on camera
IT'S EVERY biker's worst nightmare; you run wide into a bend and hit a car coming the other way and to top it off, there's a photographer there catching every moment.
Luckily, for this biker, he managed to glance off the side of the oncoming SUV, which although bad, is noting compared to a full-frontal.
Let's hope this biker makes a full recovery.
Typical dumb yank - its wet, no gear, and no idea.
Its probably setup the same as all of them - for posing on straight roads and hence the reason it didn't go round the corner.
He shoud go talk to the guy who rides the Goldwing
Posted: 17/03/2009 at 17:39
Where'd his left shoe go?
Posted: 17/03/2009 at 17:57
Posted: 17/03/2009 at 18:16
HammyUK wrote (see)
... its wet, ....
Is it, actually looks dry
Its a shame that only those stills have been posted and not the video that would probably show what happened as he approached, Deals Gap is not a place to make mistakes
Posted: 17/03/2009 at 18:38
Anyone can make errors of judgement - nationality certainly doesnt have anything to do with it.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 13:41
It's a very common cause of fatalities and serious injury over here too.
It's a typical dumb biker trait.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 19:33
Look again at the road, tarmac isn't that shiny. There's reflections of the bike and the car in the surface and the yellow lines are also showing reflections. Its wet or at least very damp.
As for the "dumb yank" comment - it stands. Go look at their accident figures against ours and see who can't go round corners. The same reason you can buy swingarm extensions of the shelf over there, most of the roads only have a corner if there's traffic lights and its 90 degrees.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 21:32
Look again at the road, tarmac isn't that shiny. There's reflections of the bike and the car in the surface and the yellow lines are also showing reflections. Its wet or at least very damp.As for the "dumb yank" comment - it stands. Go look at their accident figures against ours and see who can't go round corners. The same reason you can buy swingarm extensions of the shelf over there, most of the roads only have a corner if there's traffic lights and its 90 degrees.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 21:47
Disagree, you can see the drier line in the centre of the lane and the wetter edges where the car tyres are carrying the water.
Guess you don't get out much - fair weather are we?
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 21:53
FJSRiDER. wrote (see)
It's a very common cause of fatalities and serious injury over here too.It's a typical dumb biker trait.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 22:06
As for the "dumb yank" comment - it stands. Go look at their accident figures against ours and see who can't go round corners.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 22:33
Google is wonderfull when you know how to use it for yourself...............
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov 5154 in 2007 up from 2116 in 1997.
http://www.dft.gov.uk 588 in 2007 down by 2% from 2006
Not hard to do the maths now is it.................................
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 22:47
The only shot where there's any possibility of reflections is on the thread title page - the other 8 show no reflections - only shadows, on that basis the "shiny" appearance on the first shot would seem spurious. Check the others and see what ya think.
There's no evidence of rain on the car's wind-screen - at the very least you should see a change in hue where the wipers have cleared the rain in the last half hour - they're in a forest so had it been raining at some point then the run-off from the trees would make the car - and indeed the road - wet long after it'd stopped raining.
Any road more than a few months old is a different shade in the lane centre compared to where the majority of tyre contact takes place - it's exactly the same as being able to visually tell the difference between brand new and slightly worn sand paper.
In any case - what difference does it make to your judgement of the rider? Whether it was wet or dry he still made an error of judgement. You probably wouldn't've had so many people arguing with you if you hadn't made such a snide, inconsiderate generalisation. I ride in all weathers, have had several accidents - some very bad, and keep on learning and improving. But I don't sit on my arse and judge other people on the basis of a few inconclusive photos.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 22:58
A snide inconsiderate generalisation? Really?
The figures don't lie bud and I don't sit on my arse judging whilst you seem to be.
I do in excess of 50,000miles a year in cars, vans and over 15,000 last year on the bike alone in all weathers and not just in this country. So cut the shit.
As for your accidents - you had them not me.
I see the after effects of stupidity everyday and as far as bikes go - the figures again don't lie. Very few are ever truly the fault of the rider and when they are its obvious. as it is above. I haven't said its not his fault once. Purely that he's another dumb yank. I've worked with them for 20yrs and they really are a bunch of dumb fucks.
I may be incorrect about the weather which might of been a factor but then it might not be.
Do yourself a favour and wind your neck in.
My original comment stands - dumb yank who should talk to the now infamous Goldwing rider.
Posted: 18/03/2009 at 23:24
HammyUK wrote (see)
Typical dumb yank - its wet, no gear, and no idea.Its probably setup the same as all of them - for posing on straight roads and hence the reason it didn't go round the corner.He shoud go talk to the guy who rides the Goldwing
A typical comment from a typical backwater dumb phuck? I'm not in the habit of defending yanks, but when I read comments as stupid as Hammy's my switch gets flipped for the worse.
How do you like it when it's turned around?
Visiting Limey biker crosses the line to meet natives!
Apologies to our American friends.
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 06:00
My that's a lot of backseat miles for a twelve year old...and another 15k on a push bike in all weathers! Have you any plans to top that when you reach puberty?
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 06:38
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 06:42
Google is wonderfull when you know how to use it for yourself...............http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov 5154 in 2007 up from 2116 in 1997.http://www.dft.gov.uk 588 in 2007 down by 2% from 2006Not hard to do the maths now is it.................................
You are clearly finding it way too hard.
How do you compare figures from 1997 and 2006 and come to the conclusion that by looking at them 'see who can't go round corners '?
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 08:09
If I fucked up round that bend I'd expect to get an ear full. So name calling is about the same age as your comment.
Backseat miles? 12yr old? Who's the child.
Bike Breaker is the first person who has mentioned the other bike - a very common problem here too and probably the main cause of the accident.
The figures aren't comparing 2006 to 1997 - it simply shows the massive increase in deaths over there - fact.
The reverse is true here - a continual drop in fatalities, 2006 is there as it is the only year that the DFT have currently published. I'm sure that the other years are avaiable but they will still show a continued reduction so whats the point.
And as for not going round corners? Go and have a look at Youtube and count how many of the crash videos are from where and see who gets the highest count.
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 08:40
I wondered about whether he was trying to keep up with the other biker. That might explain why he could have been riding beyond his ability, but at the end of the day the mistake was his own.
BTW. I would call it dry too. If you look at the thread title photo you can see what looks like a sheen on the road but it's just where they have edited the PROOF out of the photo. Which does make you wonder whether Visordown have permission to show the photo sequence at all.
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 09:01
I asked where you had found figures that showed they 'couldn't go round corners'. You've failed to do anything of the sort. Unsurprisingly.
Wrong. We've had a twentysomething percent rise in deaths over here in the same period. But that is still not the point.
What you need to compare the numbers of bikes on the road - are they comparable, per capita? Do different states in the US collate data in the same way - how do they measure 'deaths' (I've been told that in the UK it is if you die within 30 days of a RTA). How many US deaths are related to their more liberal helmet laws? Drink driving has been shown to be a much larger incidence in US bike incidents (and New Zealand IIRC) then over in Europe.
And so on.You are not comparing like with like.
And being a bit thick you have failed to show us where to 'look at their accident figures against ours and see who can't go round corners.'
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 09:13
Hammy, I do agree that we have some real winners over here in the states, I see then everyday. Flip flop riders, squides, you name we have them. But don't think you are inocent over there. I read Two and PB instead of the US rags so I know a little bit about it. Just look at the rider who will be spending the next ten months looking for the soap because he did 143 on an unroad worthy bike. I'm trying to become a saftey instructor and this sort of stuff just turns my stomach. Am I all pure white? I have a moded 1991 GSXR 750 since new. The fact that it still has OEM body work says something, but I didn't mod it to ride like an old lady. I live in the Rocky Mtn. area and folks we have some roads.
Just a little something about the Brit mags that I love to read. In this country they all talk about freedom but if you read the moto mags they are all about YOU CAN'T DO THAT. Brit mags are much more free about their expresion of motorcycles. Although I've seen a slide towards acting like US mags, you folks are still miles ahead. RRX is the only US mag I've deemed worth reading.
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 19:05
Bike Breaker wrote (see)
I wonder if he was trying to keep up with the other biker in the photos and didn't have the ability. That's a common scenario.
Erm, yes it is
This whole thing isn't really worth arguing over though, is it?
Hello Rumble1, welcome over here!
Who on this thread is coming to the track day? Can't wait to meet you, and see if you're all so keen to argue in person. We may need to arrange for some buckets or water or a hosepipe in case it all gets heated (wouldn't want to get bitten trying to break it up)
Posted: 19/03/2009 at 19:32
tarmac isn't that shiny.
Posted: 20/03/2009 at 21:53
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