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27/10/2007 at 13:46
hungry wrote
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O.K. mate sorry. you must be shitting yourself.

Just phsyching myself up mate, got eye of the tiger playing full blast, got to go now and run up some steps
27/10/2007 at 13:48
Have i missed the scrap?

I have an orange vest too, but my mrs says its looks great on me and itll make me easier to spot when she comes to my meets next year
27/10/2007 at 13:51
thed4ppa wrote
Have i missed the scrap?

I have an orange vest too, but my mrs says its looks great on me and itll make me easier to spot when she comes to my meets next year


Yeah but have you got matching lip stick
27/10/2007 at 13:53
hungry wrote
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Beat up some punters on the next trackday again, that should get you in shape. seeya later.

I`ll just keep throwing scooters in the van. Later
27/10/2007 at 14:03
for people who dont like us on here you seem to be posting a lot.

backs up our thoughts on most of fe's instructors. i know one personally and he struggles to communicate and has a big ego like you two.

its funny how the NL guys always seem to have time to say hi and speak to you unlike the attitude of the fe instructors ive seen. the only one who ever spoke to me nicely was the guy who owned the black fila ducati a few years ago but that was only to talk ducatis rather than anything else
27/10/2007 at 14:04
hungry wrote
Couch potatoe,
1.what training do you think an instructor should be given, 3 years at uni maybe, to then go out for fuckall and give people advice. a bit of free track time dont pay the bills,
2.yes your right we are just average joes like you. who said any different. and who says a one day coarse makes you an instructer,(only you yer prick) 3.its not just being able to ride a bike, its being able to communicate, oh and i mean without a keyboard. witch you obviously cant do, looking at the amount of posts you got on here, surprised you find time for a trackday.
4.Most people judge a companys performance on there own experiance, yes they may read threads, and take it on board. but the only way to really decide is to try it. surely people wouldnt just read something that a cock like you has written and decide from that.


1. I think someone I'm paying for and someone who is offering advice in a dangerous pastime should have more than one days training
2. FE say you are instructors as you have done a one day course, I'm surprised you don't think you are an instructor but are happy to wear the vest and give out advice, advice that is legally binding and advice that if it all goes wrong you would be expected to defend in court against an expert witness, I assume you know all this and the risk you put yourself at from a lawsuit by giving advice out ?
3. Being able to communicate, judging from your illiteracy if you speak anything like that I'm amazed anyone learns anything which may be a bonus see No.2 above and court....
4. Most people seek opinions on companies before parting with their money, it's how most succesful businesses work including mine. If I read so many negative comments and read the crap you spout I wouldn't take the risk with FE as I may get you as an instructor. I've done nearly 200 trackdays, I've instructed and I've raced so my opinion may just count for someone reading this. If it doesn't it doesn't matter but you and your buddie sshould remember you are ambassadors for the company you work for, yes you do work for them even if you don't get paid.

As for the insults well it tells me more about you and your mental level than anything else as if you tried to read what I was saying you would see I wasn't insulting anyone.

I have enough bikes thanks
27/10/2007 at 14:11
deej77 wrote
for people who dont like us on here you seem to be posting a lot.

backs up our thoughts on most of fe's instructors. i know one personally and he struggles to communicate and has a big ego like you two.

its funny how the NL guys always seem to have time to say hi and speak to you unlike the attitude of the fe instructors ive seen. the only one who ever spoke to me nicely was the guy who owned the black fila ducati a few years ago but that was only to talk ducatis rather than anything else

Tarring us all with the same brush again, I`ve got no ego at all, never said I`m the fastest in fact there`s nothing I like more than to see up and coming people pass me when I`m flat out.
I think Nl is a good tdo but even they must do something wrong last year at rockingham I was poodling round with my mate in the inters when 2 of their instructors nearly took my paint off.
27/10/2007 at 14:12
Ina vague effort to pull this thread back on subject and not have it de generate into another instructor batting fest

Eff Bee wrote
Trouble is Id do the fast group and be running 51's round Brands on my SV!. No one gets ripped to bits but see it from another perspective, if you and lots others did the fast group running a 1min lap, then us quicker riders would sufer from the same problems that you encountered.

I take your point but;
a; 51's round Brands indy is VERY quick for an SV650 (R6 cup race winning pace).
b; if I'm being held up, can I not move up a group? With such a vast amount more grunt and 10 second a lap more pace, you'll be behind me for one corner max, there will be few people on bikes as slow in a straight line and as capable round the corners as mine, it's people running a few seconds a lap slower and on faster bikes who are the "problem".

Expecting people to be running your exact pace and corner speed is a big ask, I've timed fast fast guys at Cadwell sub 1.40 and virgin novices at over 2.30, that's 50 seconds to spread across three groups, there are as compelling arguements for keeping novice for novices as there are keeping fast for people who could win a typical rookie club 600 race, no wonder inters is the group that sells out first....

"Why would you put your beer down? You don't smoke..."
27/10/2007 at 14:19
Couch Commando wrote
1. I think someone I'm paying for and someone who is offering advice in a dangerous pastime should have more than one days training
2. FE say you are instructors as you have done a one day course, I'm surprised you don't think you are an instructor but are happy to wear the vest and give out advice, advice that is legally binding and advice that if it all goes wrong you would be expected to defend in court against an expert witness, I assume you know all this and the risk you put yourself at from a lawsuit by giving advice out ?
3. Being able to communicate, judging from your illiteracy if you speak anything like that I'm amazed anyone learns anything which may be a bonus see No.2 above and court....
4. Most people seek opinions on companies before parting with their money, it's how most succesful businesses work including mine. If I read so many negative comments and read the crap you spout I wouldn't take the risk with FE as I may get you as an instructor. I've done nearly 200 trackdays, I've instructed and I've raced so my opinion may just count for someone reading this. If it doesn't it doesn't matter but you and your buddie sshould remember you are ambassadors for the company you work for, yes you do work for them even if you don't get paid.

As for the insults well it tells me more about you and your mental level than anything else as if you tried to read what I was saying you would see I wasn't insulting anyone.
Instruct yourself then, we do a 1 day course but all have many years experience, Mr Rossi is probably not the most literate man in the world does that mean you wouldn`t take his advice if offered.
Also its a one day course more than any other tdo does for their instructors.
27/10/2007 at 14:30
orangevest wrote
Then you should know that if an instructor does his/her job properly there`s not a lot of free track time and when there is we deserve it,
I went to snett a couple of weeks back which is about a 2 hour drive for me.
I did the sighting laps, then a lady turned up late so i took her out for the sighting laps, 2 laps in I got black flagged cos the groups were over booked, that was me for the day. Up at stupid O`clock 4 hours driving a day off work to do sighting laps.
I`ll probably get allthe boo hoo`s now and told to fuck of to a different thread for stating something I find wrong with Fe


Ive never said anywhere its easy, difficult, fun, crap or whatever. Id suggest you would get on better on here - you aswell Hungry if you actually did your homework and read what people were saying.
27/10/2007 at 14:33
fontyy wrote
a; 51's round Brands indy is VERY quick for an SV650 (R6 cup race winning pace).
.


It is...and most of the time I had my eyes firmly wedged shut
27/10/2007 at 14:33
Eff Bee wrote
Ive never said anywhere its easy, difficult, fun, crap or whatever. Id suggest you would get on better on here - you aswell Hungry if you actually did your homework and read what people were saying.
I never meant you personally, I think the same could be said about a lot of people on here, people only seem to read the bits that suit them
27/10/2007 at 14:36
orangevest wrote
I never meant you personally, I think the same could be said about a lot of people on here, people only seem to read the bits that suit them


They do, your quite correct there.

BUT that is a reason why Couch Commando is right about your attitude.

If I were respresenting a company id certainly not post the majority of what you have posted. Because its that easy to read it and then decide not to book with FE because of how you and fellow Hungry come across.
27/10/2007 at 14:39
Nice argument everyone.

I've done a few with Focused Events, No Limits and Hottrax.

Not had any sort of problem with any of them, although the one thing that stops me booking any of them now, is if I see that they are operating Four groups.

I'm just happy that these people are here, to let people like me get some track time, without all the crap that's involved in racing.

Long may it continue, is all I want to say.
27/10/2007 at 14:41
Eff Bee wrote
They do, your quite correct there.

BUT that is a reason why Couch Commando is right about your attitude.

If I were respresenting a company id certainly not post the majority of what you have posted. Because its that easy read it and then not decide to book with FE without actually reading correctly what your trying to defend.
Ok fair point but I don`t really see that I`m representing a company, If that company paid me then I`d have more loyalty towards them,
My problem is the way we get spoke to on a td when we have no control over how the booking is done or the running of the day. I came on here with a good attitude and actually said there were things wrong, then when I said we work hard i got told "boo hoo fuck off back to your own thread"
27/10/2007 at 14:50
orangevest wrote
Ok fair point but I don`t really see that I`m representing a company, If that company paid me then I`d have more loyalty towards them,
My problem is the way we get spoke to on a td when we have no control over how the booking is done or the running of the day. I came on here with a good attitude and actually said there were things wrong, then when I said we work hard i got told "boo hoo fuck off back to your own thread"


Regardless of whether or not you are paid there is an agreement that you are providing your services to a company and also the companies customers. Therefore you need to act in the best interests of that company and customers. Swearing, abuse etc isnt the way to do it as it leaves a very poor impression of not just you but also the company that you provide services for.

If a rep of a company came on here and started to personally insult you, would you be so oblidging to use their services?. It doesnt give a good impression of the company if they are willing to have people like that represent them.

There wasnt much need to be like that. You just need to state your point and be done. Im sure more people would appreciate your imput then. Ive learnt this from experience.

I dont know what your first post was, the others have kind of stood out though.
27/10/2007 at 14:52
John.. wrote
Nice argument everyone.

I've done a few with Focused Events, No Limits and Hottrax.

Not had any sort of problem with any of them, although the one thing that stops me booking any of them now, is if I see that they are operating Four groups.

I'm just happy that these people are here, to let people like me get some track time, without all the crap that's involved in racing.

Long may it continue, is all I want to say.
I know they are doing it and thats why I said earlier they are all in it for the money,
27/10/2007 at 14:59
Eff Bee wrote
Regardless of whether or not you are paid there is an agreement that you are providing your services to a company and also the companies customers. Therefore you need to act in the best interests of that company and customers. Swearing, abuse etc isnt the way to do it as it leaves a very poor impression of not just you but also the company that you provide services for.

If a rep of a company came on here and started to personally insult you, would you be so oblidging to use their services?. It doesnt give a good impression of the company if they are willing to have people like that represent them.

There wasnt much need to be like that. You just need to state your point and be done. Im sure more people would appreciate your imput then. Ive learnt this from experience.

I dont know what your first post was, the others have kind of stood out though.
I was having a laugh when I got slated, I really don`t care if fe loses business through my posts but come on you know KH do you think he cares about the few people on here that are slagging him off, If he did he`d be on here. all these people were on here when i got on here saying they won`t go with fe long before i wrote a thing, Some i was convinced work for NL
27/10/2007 at 20:12
People keep moaning about fe trying to sell tyres and pics on a track day, I`ve just been on NL web site and their home page is an advert for tyres and pics, nothing wrong with this its free enterprise, Maybe is just Kh or Barry they don`t like, Can`t blame them KH is loaded and Barry hogs all the fe shirts
27/10/2007 at 21:13
its not the products thats the problems its how long kev and barry make the briefings,they bore you so muc you switch off. the guys at NL advertise the fact colins there and holbeach tyres etc but the briefings are kept short and to the point not long and boring. ive not done a FE day where its started on time and this is due to breifings starting late and then over running. if they must do a long breifing it would be better to have the breifings at 8.15 rather than 8.30 pushing 9. im all for a breifing as its a reminder and a good eye opener for the day ahead.
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