motogp single tyre rule, good or bad??

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stud69er

25/09/2007 at 21:02

as the title said. good or bad?
what in your opinion are the pro's and con's??

personally i'm all for it.
i'll be the first to hold my hand up and say i thought it was'nt a good idea when wsbk went for it, and ive been proved wrong.
wsbk is better than ever and i believe motogp will benefit from closer racing because of it.

i dont for a minute believe that lessons learnt at gp level benefit us on the road or track. if that were the case, why isnt everyone using michelins or bridgestones? even dunlop with their data from british tracks at bsb level cant make a tyre to beat pirelli and metzeler at club level. (sales seem to prove this anyway)?

if say for instance bridgestone won the rights to supply motogp. would michelin concentrate more on developing better tyres for the average road and track rider and vice versa??
the loser would have a huge amount of money to spend on r&d and that can only benefit every rider who isnt in gp racing surely??

so we get better tyres, motogp gets closer racing (natural talent combined with a fast bike wins races rather than a tyre manufacturer). everyones a winner surely???:smoke:

feel free to convince me i'm wrong, i'm always open minded.

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stud69er

25/09/2007 at 21:31

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fontyy

25/09/2007 at 21:51

No reason for the chosen manufacturer to get out of bed and try to make a better tyre at all is a bad thing, if we'd gone single tyre rule in 1970, bikes would still be struggling to lean past 45* now.

Even though WSB is single tyre, that there is are similar home series on the same tracks that are not means they are still in a tyre war and so still try. BSB, AMA, All Japan etc. keeps them honest.

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themechanic

25/09/2007 at 22:36

it's bad because it will stifle tyre development.
it's bad for the manufacturers who aren't chosen to provide the control tyre because they won't be able to showcase their product.

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Topper

25/09/2007 at 23:27

Bad idea, tyres won't develop as fast without competition between manufacturers. Everything thats used in gps, from F1, MX and MotoGP filters down in some way, shape or form to influence our bikes and cars. Leave well alone IMO. :burnout:

Dicky

26/09/2007 at 00:35

bad idea IMO

theres are too many variables in this years rule changes (800cc,less fuel,tyre restrictions) to single out one cause of a teams dominance.historically look how many world titles at various levels of motorsport Michelin have won.they will bounce back from what has been a poor year for them.

banning traction/launch control is the one thing i would like to see and it will be interesting to see how much it alters next years F1 racing

490

26/09/2007 at 06:44

stud69er wrote

i dont for a minute believe that lessons learnt at gp level benefit us on the road or track.

Well then you're wrong, plain and simple.

Road tyres now are streets ahead (sic) of where they were 4 or 5 years ago, that is directly related to the increased power output of the GP bikes and is about the one good thing IMO that came from the move to the 990's.

Michelin were a bit behind this year in a few rounds while they adjusted to the new rules, but they seem to have got to grips with it again and to the best of my knowledge are reasonably happy that they won't be wrong footed again any more than Bridgestone will occasionally get it wrong.

No need for change that I can see other than certain riders having a strop at losing another world title!

490

26/09/2007 at 06:47

Dicky wrote

banning traction/launch control is the one thing i would like to see

I'd definately go along with that, it'd remove another excuse for the Rossi brigade to bitch about (doesn't everyone have it anyway????) and on a more positive note would make the tyre manufacturers work even harder still so even better tyres to come.

Skink

26/09/2007 at 07:38

I just don't believe that the tyre manufacturers who don't get the contract will produce far lesser quality road tyres than the company that does. If this proves to be the case then I'll change my vote

but until such time I'll be voting for anything that evens the playing field. Yep, bin the electronics too.

Stay Classy.

Skink

26/09/2007 at 07:43

490 wrote

I'd definately go along with that, it'd remove another excuse for the Rossi brigade to bitch about (doesn't everyone have it anyway????) and on a more positive note would make the tyre manufacturers work even harder still so even better tyres to come.

Good work, for a moment it was beginning to look like the adults might have a conversation without being interrupted by a Rossi argument.

Stay Classy.

490

26/09/2007 at 08:05

Skink wrote

Good work, for a moment it was beginning to look like the adults might have a conversation without being interrupted by a Rossi argument.

Not fair comment, I made the point as it's relevant to the discusssion. Everyone I've spoke to at both Michelin and Dunlop are quite happy with things as they are, and to the best of my knowledge the same applies at Bridgestone.

So why change?

kirklet

26/09/2007 at 10:17

490 wrote

Not fair comment, I made the point as it's relevant to the discusssion. Everyone I've spoke to at both Michelin and Dunlop are quite happy with things as they are, and to the best of my knowledge the same applies at Bridgestone.

So why change?

The CEO of Dorna wasn't at all happy with the quality of the racing this year and I think the buck stops with him at the end of the day, regardless of who's happy or not. It's not all down to the Rossi brigade

Also from what I gathered after the BSB races at weekend there's a very good chance that BSB is going to be going the way of a single tyre rule. And it's not forced to be any of the big three either, could even be Metzeler supplying the whole BSB weekends. Im in favour of it, if nothing it stops races being decided by who's on what tyre on any given weekend. WSB has proved it over the last couple of years with some outstanding races and the speed of development and how it filters down to the road tyres hasn't slowed down significantly because arn't Pirelli road/track tyres some of the very best you can get? Certainly no worse then the offerings from Bridgestone/Michelin and Dunlop, the arguement that development will slow seems unfounded to me

Dicky

26/09/2007 at 11:35

Dicky wrote

banning traction/launch control is the one thing i would like to see and it will be interesting to see how much it alters next years F1 racing

490 wrote

I'd definately go along with that, it'd remove another excuse for the Rossi brigade to bitch about (doesn't everyone have it anyway????)

Ha Ha i am a huge rossi fan BTW
Got a dilemma next year as my 3 favourite racers are all in the same class (Rossi,Dovizioso and Toseland)

Who do i support

kirklet

26/09/2007 at 11:43

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Skunkerama

26/09/2007 at 12:05

490 wrote

I'd definately go along with that, it'd remove another excuse for the Rossi brigade to bitch about (doesn't everyone have it anyway????) and on a more positive note would make the tyre manufacturers work even harder still so even better tyres to come.

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I would prefer to see a relaxing of the current tyre rules, allow teams to use as many tyres as they want in testing and the race. What with differing track conditions I think it is wrong to restrict teams in their choice.
However there should be a ban on making tyres overnight, it was unfair on Bridgestone when Michelin was doing this.

If things can't be evened out with 2 or 3 tyre manufacturers then it would be best to have just one, I watch MotoGP to cheer on riders, not Tyre brands.

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mad dog 2

26/09/2007 at 12:36

Good idea. It's the racing that counts

Tyre development will continue regardless of whether there are one, two or ten manufacturers in MotoGP.

The argument that we'd have rubbish tyres if we had one-make series is simply flawed. Advancements in materials and construction will continue regardless. It's the nature of the marketplace.

I use racetecs for road and track and they're fantastic tyres. But Metzeler aren't in motoGP, so they should be crap right?

26/09/2007 at 13:49

Metzeler are made by Pirelli who have the WSB control tyre sewn up. So there's flaws in your logic on that front.

I think that tyre development would continue even if there was a control tyre in MotoGP, of course it would. It would depend on the attitude of the tyre manufacturers who missed as to whether they'd pursue new technology as vigorously as they would if they were in competition. They may or may not. Who knows, but if they were in competition you can rest assured they would. IMO.

I also think that MotoGP should be kept as the pinnacle of engineering and that this would be compromised by turning to a control tyre. Yes it has worked in WSB and maybe MotoGP would benefit from a control tyre but additionally it would be a kick in the teeth for whichever manufacturer misses out given Michelins dominance until this year and the work that Bridgestone put in to get there. Dunlop have shown good signs this year as well and are closing the gap. More tyre manufacturers also means more money coming in to the sport.

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KorkyKat

26/09/2007 at 14:24

I voted Yes. Get rid of as many variables as possible including the electronic shit and goofy curved dentures - we know they help in slipstreaming.

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fontyy

26/09/2007 at 18:09

mad dog 2 wrote

The argument that we'd have rubbish tyres if we had one-make series is simply flawed. Advancements in materials and construction will continue regardless. It's the nature of the marketplace.

Not really, even top club races aren't decided by tyres to the level MotoGP can be. If you've got the skill and the bike you can win on any top brand tyre.
On the road it's irrelevent.

So in MotoGP this year Bridgestone overtook Michelin, yes?

Thus had Michelin been the control tyre this year, some races would have been won at a pace 30+ seconds slower, yes?

And that's just one year, think of that over ten, fifteen, twenty years.

So Michelin are forced to work harder to close the gap.

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stud69er

26/09/2007 at 19:12

fontyy wrote

Not really, even top club races aren't decided by tyres to the level MotoGP can be. If you've got the skill and the bike you can win on any top brand tyre.
On the road it's irrelevent.

So in MotoGP this year Bridgestone overtook Michelin, yes?

Thus had Michelin been the control tyre this year, some races would have been won at a pace 30+ seconds slower, yes?

And that's just one year, think of that over ten, fifteen, twenty years.

So Michelin are forced to work harder to close the gap.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

so why do the majority of club racers (not all, agreed) use racetecs or supercorsa's??? its got very little to do with development from top class racing.
pirelli and metzeler were the leading/best selling brands at club level before pirelli won the rights to supply wsbk.
the 1st year in wsbk's, the laptimes were slower but the racing got better.
who cares if every race in motogp this year would have been 30 seconds slower? i'm pretty sure the racing would have been closer and less predictable? thats got to be a good thing surely??

i dont see your point about the next ten or twenty years?? are you trying to say it will get slower???