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Scooby
17/12/2002 at 15:10
The below link intially sickened me, however I then started thinking is it a necessary evil, killing animals to learn how to kill humans - hand to hand combat, sticking a knife into someone when it's you or him.

I hate killing, yet I'm prepared to eat meat - hypocrit, that's me.

Discuss
Stig 2
17/12/2002 at 15:14
Scooby wrote

The below link intially sickened me, however I then started thinking is it a necessary evil, killing animals to learn how to kill humans - hand to hand combat, sticking a knife into someone when it's you or him.

I hate killing, yet I'm prepared to eat meat - hypocrit, that's me.

Discuss


there is a ranch place in Texas where you can choose the cow/calf you want.

Just to see if i could or not. I'd like to go up, walk up and down and then see which of the mother f**kers eyeball me the most, possibly the calf thats still with mummy cow, choose it then await my meal.
I'd rather be a skunks pussy than ginger
gsxer400
17/12/2002 at 15:16
There are a number of differences between killing in wartime, and killing in a practice ground, especially when it is a dog not a human...


I honestly can't see any practical reasons why killing a dog tied to a frame in practice makes anyone better in a war...



N:B: For a good book on the moral philsophy of a war, try Michael Walzer, Just and Unjust Wars
Stig 2
17/12/2002 at 15:16
sorry but this picture has got me in tears laughing




now i know it isnt particularly funny but that star jump shape is cracking me up
I'd rather be a skunks pussy than ginger
Bod
17/12/2002 at 15:18
Stig wrote

sorry but this picture has got me in tears laughing




now i know it isnt particularly funny but that star jump shape is cracking me up


bet you've got a boner too
THUD
17/12/2002 at 15:23
I couldn't kill a thing....the only thing I have ever killed, was when I was a little boy, you know those long legged things that fly around, daddy long legs I think, well I was watching one flop about in the road, when I....
















Noticed a White Van driver, coming, he drove right over the Daddy long legs, so I jumped on the van, and killed the van driver, with my bare hands...



Other than that little incident, wouldn't hurt a fly
Stig 2
17/12/2002 at 15:24
lol@bod

if you have to test bravory, isnt tieing the dog up just a little defeatest?

I think its conditioning them so that they dont worry when they've killed.

Will make for some interesting citizens when they are out of the army
I'd rather be a skunks pussy than ginger
Bod
17/12/2002 at 15:25
Stig wrote

if you have to test bravary, isnt tieing the dog up just a little defeatest?



have you ever tried to catch a dog whilst attempting to kill it ??

neither have I, but it must be quite tricky, unless you bribe it with a sausage or something
XTremo
17/12/2002 at 15:31
It's fucking disgraceful, and typical of some of these countries who are all full of machismo....until there's real military conflict, and they all surrender immediately! Fucking shithouses the lot of 'em! I doubt whether those arseholes would be so keen if it was one of our SAS boys standing between him and the dog!
gremlin
17/12/2002 at 15:33
<Snigger>


Stand by for a flaming from the cuddly animal brigade.


WALKIES!!!!
I once had a Volvo, but I don't want to talk about it.

In winter 1968 his mother was sexually assaulted by a monkey whilst working as knife thrower for the circus. Given away at birth because of his hideous appearance and hairy toes, he was unaware that monkey genes would enable him to stay upright under the most testing of conditions. However, he soon discovered this talent and realised that he could use this extraordinary power to fight evil and make the world a safer place, but instead decided to sit on his arse all day wasting time on VISORDOWN........

bomma
17/12/2002 at 15:33
Scooby wrote

The below link intially sickened me, however I then started thinking is it a necessary evil, killing animals to learn how to kill humans - hand to hand combat, sticking a knife into someone when it's you or him.

I hate killing, yet I'm prepared to eat meat - hypocrit, that's me.

Discuss


sick...

ain't that true bravery.. ...stab a dog to death whilst it's tied up between two poles...

and Scooby...why is it a necessary evil...how does that teach you to kill a human.....it's hardly hand to hand combat is it ?....sticking a knife into someone (or animal) whilst it's spreadeagled and unable to move is hardly self defence is it...

Ghost
17/12/2002 at 15:34
So are Peruvian solidiers issued with sausages?

this is pretty stupid and needlessly barbaric. I'd thought sending them to a slaughter house or a Hospital could achieve thier dubious goal and as for bravery .... wheres the bravery in attacking a restrained animal .... they should test the bravery by making them jump out of planes or dodge bullets or something .....

A dream to some a Nightmare to others ... in a nice way!
braindead
17/12/2002 at 15:36
Worked in an Abotoir as my first job so I killing was a thing I got used to pretty quickly. Seems a bit heart less not getting a bigger dog and letting it defend itself, far more useful traing.

Killing is not nice Human or Animal but once you get over the initial guilt it ends up as a skill you hope you dont have to use but are prepared for when you do. I try not to kill anything with a lower IQ than myself.

So Stig your very safe.

Stig is obviously a well adjusted human being with the brain of a gimp. I think the cow would probably have been high up the list than you on my inteligent species list.

BD


magic wand
17/12/2002 at 15:36
Whooo aren't they brave, actually sticking a knife into a tied up animal.
Lets hope they get invaded by dogs that can tie themselves up.

Morons
I may be gullible but at least I still have this magic fish

Race bikes not dogs
gremlin
17/12/2002 at 15:37
BlackJet wrote

It's fucking disgraceful, and typical of some of these countries who are all full of machismo....until there's real military conflict, and they all surrender immediately! Fucking shithouses the lot of 'em! I doubt whether those arseholes would be so keen if it was one of our SAS boys standing between him and the dog!


SAS use live dogs for medical training, mainly gunshot wounds. Not nice, but necessary maybe.
I once had a Volvo, but I don't want to talk about it.

In winter 1968 his mother was sexually assaulted by a monkey whilst working as knife thrower for the circus. Given away at birth because of his hideous appearance and hairy toes, he was unaware that monkey genes would enable him to stay upright under the most testing of conditions. However, he soon discovered this talent and realised that he could use this extraordinary power to fight evil and make the world a safer place, but instead decided to sit on his arse all day wasting time on VISORDOWN........

Fallen Angel
17/12/2002 at 15:38
Scooby wrote

The below link intially sickened me, however I then started thinking is it a necessary evil, killing animals to learn how to kill humans - hand to hand combat, sticking a knife into someone when it's you or him.

I hate killing, yet I'm prepared to eat meat - hypocrit, that's me.

Discuss


Congratulations on making me cry at my desk...people at the office are now convinced I am totally cracking up....



This sort of thing should not be allowed to happen...

http://www.abysium.com/dev/uploads/kilt.gif
XTremo
17/12/2002 at 15:38
Wanna test their bravery and fighting spirit?
Then I reckon unarmed against one of these would be more interesting!



I know who my money would be on!
Scooby
17/12/2002 at 15:43
bomma_b wrote



sick...

ain't that true bravery.. ...stab a dog to death whilst it's tied up between two poles...

and Scooby...why is it a necessary evil...how does that teach you to kill a human.....it's hardly hand to hand combat is it ?....sticking a knife into someone (or animal) whilst it's spreadeagled and unable to move is hardly self defence is it...



I couldn't stick a knife in the belly of a person or animal screaming with fear for it's life - there is a scene in Saving Private Ryan near the end along these lines.

The fact I couldn't see myself doing this in a life or death situation suggests I would probably be killed, which would make me a pretty useless soldier.

I part accept that for a soldier to perform their function, and not be distracted from their purpose, they need to be able to ignore screaming/crying/pleading etc - only way I know is by training.

I in no way condone the actions of tieing up a defenceless animal, then slashing it belly followed by eating it's heart - as the article describes, in fact I find it highly offensive.

But how do you train killers to be affective?
Ghost
17/12/2002 at 15:44
BlackJet wrote

Wanna test their bravery and fighting spirit?
Then I reckon unarmed against one of these would be more interesting!



I know who my money would be on!


Easy to defeat one of those

First you tickle them behind the ears and then you give them a sausage or two. They usually like playing playing fetch too!

A hate the Sterestype Rotties have they are soft as anything. Mostly.

A dream to some a Nightmare to others ... in a nice way!
ChopstickJim
17/12/2002 at 15:45
good on em, they couldnt fight anything anyway, nice to see them improvising

fuckin idiots

gremlin, what do you know about the SAS?

nothing, or you wouldnt have posted that
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