The joys of owning a classic bike (long)

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06/09/2004 at 16:06
Went out on Saturday for a long ride with a mate who coincidently owns the same model bike as myself Z1000 ST mine a 1979 and his a 1981. Went all over the place covering over 100miles and had a more enjoyable time than i have had biking for ages.

I've never owned a true sportsbike but have had a couple of Blackbirds and other large capacity hyperbikes but really lost the biking bug a couple of years ago. I enjoy my drag racing but its not really the same although nothing beats being able to really thrash a bike.

I've seen a few "I'm giving up biking" threads recently and thought i would share this with you. Sure classics arent for everybody and i'm glad they arent but most riders cover less than 3000 miles a year and many older bikes are perfectly capable of doing that.

Owning a classic

Cheap hobby!!

Fully comp insurance costs me less than £100 pa including breakdown cover. Just fitted 2 new tyres to a mates bike for the grand total of £74 including fitting , yes they were new tyres. Servicing amounts to about £50 a year including parts, less if you DIY and most aren't difficult to work on. Road tax if they are old enough is free, for mine I have to pay the same as any other 1000cc bike which is still cheap imo.

They don't depreciate and buying even a nice one wont cost you more than £2k

Legalities

Loud pipes are perfectly legal if the bike is old enough and no E or BS number is required. Full size number plates don't look out of place on classics unlike modern sportsbikes.

Performance

Fairly lacking compared to modern machinery but is that a bad thing?? Most riders never use the full potential of their bikes on the road, you cant without either a death wish or a hope to appear on the next episode of €œRoad Wars€ or €œTraffic Cops€ but suffice to say there's enough to keep you interested and so you don't get caught in traffic

Attitude

You tend to ride differently on an old bike, you need to adjust your style to a certain degree to compensate for a 30 yr old design but you tend to chill out a little and not feel stressed to make progress all the time. Personally it makes riding a lot more enjoyable for me I can €œalmost€ understand why people buy Harleys

Image

We all make judgements of people by how they look and what they ride. Picture the sportbike rider with this seasons R1, loud pipe, tiny number plate, unmarked sliders on his very loud leathers topped with a Rossi rep lid fitted with dog ears. Compared to the classic bike rider with a shiny 70's classic, €œnormal€ gear and all appearing legal.

Who is likely to get hassled by the €œman€??

A change is as good as a rest


So those of you who feel like giving up biking either because of the cost or the fact you don't use it enough or even simply fed up with being made to feel like a criminal every time you put the key in the ignition, perhaps you should try something else at the end of the day its doesn't cost much and unlike a sportsbike wont lose money while its sat in the garage.
06/09/2004 at 16:26
amen.


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06/09/2004 at 16:28
Full comp coverage/collision/uninsured driver coverage/$300K liability etc for a '75 Z1B, '76 KZ900 A4 & '78 KZ1000 A2 cost me a total for $154.00

Same coverage for the ZRX alone is $344.00


As for the *attitude* of owning an old bike.... sure it's nice to dawdle along without a care in the world, but it sure is fun to stuff some twat on a 916 mid corner... of course it helps if he thinks the reason for the banzai overtake was an over dose of testosterone & incredibly large testicles... & not the fact that you temporarily forgot just how bad 25 year old brakes are...

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06/09/2004 at 16:28
nice post well put


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06/09/2004 at 16:57
ST1100, a classic bike....? Gordon Bennet....I remember when they were new and sought after(ish) if you were into UJM's. Sorry, I can't quite get my head around ageing Japanese tin being thought of as classic bikes. Norton, Triumph, AJS, Matchless, Velocettte, Ariel, Vincent, Brough etc, + some Italian stuff, they're classic bikes. But Kawasaki........

In search of a better quality of white noise.....
06/09/2004 at 17:01
Schtum wrote
ST1100, a classic bike....? Gordon Bennet....I remember when they were new and sought after(ish) if you were into UJM's. Sorry, I can't quite get my head around ageing Japanese tin being thought of as classic bikes.
Phew! I thought it was just me!

Still appreciate maddog's post though - glad to see some are able to remove the blinkers and enjoy a 'different' ride.
06/09/2004 at 17:04
Blimey, two of us with STs ... we'll be an owners' club soon.
06/09/2004 at 17:06
Schtum wrote
But Kawasaki........

The fact that most old Kawasaki's will sell for at least double what they cost new should tell you something. Sold my last Z1 for 8x what I paid for it.... my last KZ900 went for 3x the cost to me & the ex wifes KZ1000 sold for 5x what it cost....

If I wanted to make a life-long career out of working with the mentally retarded I would have gone into Special Education or opened a Harley Davidson dealership
06/09/2004 at 17:09
Nik Samson wrote
Blimey, two of us with STs ... we'll be an owners' club soon.

I have 3 of em sat rotting away in the back yard.... Friend is supposed to come by & give me $100 for the lot...

If I wanted to make a life-long career out of working with the mentally retarded I would have gone into Special Education or opened a Harley Davidson dealership
06/09/2004 at 17:09
ZRX61 wrote
The fact that most old Kawasaki's will sell for at least double what they cost new should tell you something. Sold my last Z1 for 8x what I paid for it.... my last KZ900 went for 3x the cost to me & the ex wifes KZ1000 sold for 5x what it cost....


prob something to do with the fact that they were the oly decent classic jap engine and chassis combination time after time

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06/09/2004 at 17:11
ZRX61 wrote
The fact that most old Kawasaki's will sell for at least double what they cost new should tell you something. Sold my last Z1 for 8x what I paid for it.... my last KZ900 went for 3x the cost to me & the ex wifes KZ1000 sold for 5x what it cost....

There's probably something about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, in there. OK, so they're popular, and old(ish) but does that naturally convey classic status upon them...?

In search of a better quality of white noise.....
06/09/2004 at 17:12
Schtum wrote
There's probably something about knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, in there. OK, so they're popular, and old(ish) but does that naturally convey classic status upon them...?


What defines a classic bike?? Magazines, history or the buying public?

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06/09/2004 at 17:15
Stig wrote
What defines a classic bike?? Magazines, history or the buying public?

What indeed....? It's funny how vehicles go through the cycle of being new and desirable because of that, then become second hand before progressing onto being scrappers and then, if they're lucky, become elevated to classic status.

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06/09/2004 at 17:18
Stig wrote
What defines a classic bike?? Magazines, history or the buying public?
Indeed. Just look up 'Classic' in the dictionary.
Quote
Belonging to the highest rank or class.
Serving as the established model or standard
Having lasting significance or worth; enduring.
Of a well-known type
Formal, refined, and restrained in style.
Simple and harmonious; elegant:
Having historical associations

Pick your version of a 'classic'!
06/09/2004 at 17:36
Schtum wrote
ST1100, a classic bike....? Gordon Bennet....I remember when they were new and sought after(ish) if you were into UJM's. Sorry, I can't quite get my head around ageing Japanese tin being thought of as classic bikes. Norton, Triumph, AJS, Matchless, Velocettte, Ariel, Vincent, Brough etc, + some Italian stuff, they're classic bikes. But Kawasaki........


NOT a ST1100 a Z1000ST totally different bike and engine, its a shaft drive Z1000MK2
06/09/2004 at 17:40
Stig wrote
What defines a classic bike?? Magazines, history or the buying public?


I guess the "official" term i am referring to is 15 yrs old or more as per the insurance regs.

There is a difference between classic and collectable though it seems many british bikes have been kept purely because they are old and british. People "seem" more choosy with the Jap stuff .
06/09/2004 at 17:58
Ahhhhhh......the joy of buying a new Guzzi. That classic bike feel but with a 2 year warranty
06/09/2004 at 18:06
maddog wrote
There is a difference between classic and collectable though it seems many british bikes have been kept purely because they are old and british.

Yup, why the fuck anyone would consider a Royal Enfield collectible or even classic is beyond reason..... I had one RE & I'd never own another even if they gave em away free with a box of cornflakes...

If I wanted to make a life-long career out of working with the mentally retarded I would have gone into Special Education or opened a Harley Davidson dealership
06/09/2004 at 18:48
ZRX61 wrote
Yup, why the fuck anyone would consider a Royal Enfield collectible or even classic is beyond reason..... I had one RE & I'd never own another even if they gave em away free with a box of cornflakes...


Yep back in the 60's my mum and dad were bikers, one of the rich kids bought a brand new Ariel Leader and had the piss throughly ripped out of him for months until when he finally wrote it off crushing one of his legs up in the fairing, but now they are regarded as a classic
06/09/2004 at 19:01
Dirtybill wrote
Ahhhhhh......the joy of buying a new Guzzi. That classic bike feel but with a 2 year warranty


And from what I read on the Guzzi web ring, Boy do you need that 2 year warranty!
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