Sub 33 bhp list?

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Possum

24/04/2002 at 20:58

is there a list anywhere online that mentions all production bikes that are less than 33 bhp as standard?

drivin me mad trying to find out.

Regards
Ross

tintin

24/04/2002 at 21:00

I think UMG had a list in one of their mags a while back.

You could ask the question on their website, Buyingbikes.co.uk I think m8.

Pegaso 650.....it makes thumping good sense......

jock

24/04/2002 at 21:11

A few to consider.

Bros 400 hawk lots available v twin compact reliable bang on 33 no matter what else you are told about 38 brake.

cb350 good ones getting a bit rare cos of despatchers but overblown superdream decent chassis and cheap

cb250rs as cb350 but surprisingly good machines as long as you are bloody minded on oil changes

Or spend a couple of hundred extra on restricting a gs500, Er5 , gpz500, cb500, cb1 400, vfr400 (all models) which will actually be a selling point ie offering a restrictor kit with bike after the 2 years of 33 bhp purgatory and you get shot of it. The above bikes I have mentioned as suitable for restriction have been chosen because of their light weight, the resrtiction should not affect acceleration etc until you get past 90 which in the real world is maximum speed on distance rides, my opinion anyway
Hope this helps.

Hairy Ben

24/04/2002 at 21:22

or maybe..

A Suzuki SG350 Goose!!! Woohoo!

or

a Yamaha SRX 400

both sub-33bhp

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Mr. Dazzle

24/04/2002 at 21:34

Go here there is a list of bikes already less than 33bhp, and a list of bikes with restrictor kits available.

HTH

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Mr. Dazzle

24/04/2002 at 21:44

'kin ell.

I've just looked at the list from the link in my other post. You can get a 33bhp kit for a CBR1100XX. What do they do, take 3 of the plugs out?

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belfastbiker

24/04/2002 at 22:00

A2Y wrote

Go here there is a list of bikes already less than 33bhp, and a list of bikes with restrictor kits available.

HTH

Superb list...well done that man.

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number8

24/04/2002 at 23:15

It may of been lille old me ..... ive ridden 2 bikes restericted to 33bhp (ducati 600SS 53bhp - ZXR400 60summitBHP) and both of them the ride was realy shitty .. and i mean shitty .. the ducati stalled at under 4500rpm what ever your were doing ... i took it to BSD and they said restrictors ... took em out abd it ran fine ....

the ZXR400 top gear was next to uesless u actually slowed down .... and it was REALY lumpy all the way up ... i got it dynoed fer a laf and the chart was REALY shocking.... ile see if i can dig it up...

bottom line ..... dont get a big bick restricted .. if your sutck with 33bhp .. gat a bike with it as stock ... most 125 strokers .. ummmm vtwin or parelaell twin 250 4strokes are usially 33 bhp ish .... umm a load of single ....loads of shitty jap crusier things ... and a few of the older 400cc and 500cc low tune things (bros 400) kick ass bikr BTW .

Just my experince like

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24/04/2002 at 23:26

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no seriously fuckin ace bikes, fast eddy's got a 99 gsxr750 and he took my derestricted mito out for a blast and said it was fookin ace and wouldnt stop grinnin for about half an hour, and i looooove it, its quality, looks the mutts as well:smoke:

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number8

24/04/2002 at 23:30

mitomissile wrote

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no seriously fuckin ace bikes, fast eddy's got a 99 gsxr750 and he took my derestricted mito out for a blast and said it was fookin ace and wouldnt stop grinnin for about half an hour, and i looooove it, its quality, looks the mutts as well:smoke:

It may be fookin fast .. but as a first powerfull bike (sub 16BHP int powerfull) a mito int the best ....its fooing hard on the body cos of the riding position and its unforginvin .. u make a mistake and it will bite back hard .. and theres lots of expensive faring to be replaced when u let it fall over in the driveway .. as will happen

whitebird

25/04/2002 at 00:12

Restricted bikes (basing my judgement entirely on a friend's restricted GS500, you understand) are 'orrible.

My friend's GS revs up to a certain point and then just dies. There's nothing at all beyond about 7K and it makes the bike really unpleasant to ride. If you fancy 2 years of running in, I'd restrict something that makes more than 33bhp stock.

I don't know enough about what's available to choose anything nice from the bikes that are legal for someone on a 33bhp licence. Personally, I'd go for a single or a twin, not highly tuned, relatively large displacement (so lots of torque for your 33bhp) and whatever style appeals/is most comfy.

POB/London

25/04/2002 at 01:33

CB-1 - Really nice ride w/ baby CBR engine. I've heard rumours (ahem) of certain garages messing with the carburation to make them run like shit, dyno-ing them to get the 33bhp certificate printout (req'd by the ins?) and then just putting everything back! I even heard of this being done to a Bros 650!

Bros 400 - lovely bike. Compact, easy to ride (and the chassis will easily outperform even a quite good rider, so you won't be limited and desperate to move on once your 2 yrs is up). Lovely v-twin power delivery too.

SRX 400. Same as above really, but single. May be kickstart only (? can't remember) but they look really nice. Few spare parts - lots of back street dealers tart them up and sell them for way over book.

I u look around u can get any one of the above for under 1500 notes easy (bros for under a grand) and second hand bits are cheap if you're around london. It always pays riding something used in the courier trade. All the bits thatbreak are easily available. IMHO the above bikes are all pretty reliable too (despite being greys).

Best bet? A newly imported Bros 4 with low mileage from a good dealer / importer for 1500 quid. New tyres, pads and a thorough carb clean shouldbe included. And you might get a free service too.

I know all this cos I was in your position. HTH

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Possum

25/04/2002 at 07:40

thanks guys.

already had several other suggestions in my first post a few days ago... so thanks for i few new ones.

i just posted this out of curiosity.

you would think that there would be a detailed list somewhere! i had already found the list on the BAT m/c page but noticed alot of bikes aint there!

confusing stuff this!

Regards
Ross

priller

25/04/2002 at 07:53

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Mr. Dazzle

25/04/2002 at 19:44

whitebird wrote

Restricted bikes (basing my judgement entirely on a friend's restricted GS500, you understand) are 'orrible.

My friend's GS revs up to a certain point and then just dies. There's nothing at all beyond about 7K and it makes the bike really unpleasant to ride. If you fancy 2 years of running in, I'd restrict something that makes more than 33bhp stock.

Well your experience is obviously different to mine. My bike is restricted, and it doesn't have any flat spots, and pulls cleanly from low revs right up to the red line.

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that the GS5 uses a Parallel twin 'commuter' engine, whereas the '1' uses a much more advanced IL4.

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knee_boarder

25/04/2002 at 19:50

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shit! me and priller agree on summat

I would rather go for a full power 125 stroker sports bike than a restricted "anything" tbo. Top fun

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whitebird

25/04/2002 at 19:52

A2Y wrote

Well your experience is obviously different to mine. My bike is restricted, and it doesn't have any flat spots, and pulls cleanly from low revs right up to the red line.

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that the GS5 uses a Parallel twin 'commuter' engine, whereas the '1' uses a much more advanced IL4.

Engine type has nothing to do with it. It depends on how the restriction is done. Most restricted bikes (my mate's GS included) have washers in the inlet manifold that prevents the engine breathing as easily as it should - the effect of this is that power builds as normal until it's designed to be sucking harder than the washers permit - at which point it just dies. It really is horrible, take my word on it.

Perhaps yours is restricted by reducing it to a partial throttle opening. Fuel, air or ignition restrictions should all produce a truncated dyno graph (rather than a scaled down smooth curve) which would be obvious to the rider.

Mr. Dazzle

25/04/2002 at 19:55

My bike is restricted with washers between the carbs and the engine. It restricts the amount of fuel air mix going into the engine, not the amount of air going into the carbs.

Dunno how this makes it different, but it obviously does.

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satanspawn

25/04/2002 at 19:58

I've had 3 bikes restricted.

CB350S (supposedly 36bhp?!?)
RF 600 (104 at rw)
ZX7-R (123 at rw)

The CB was fine as the 33 is close to its original bhp. The others were scarey and i had no confidence in them.....going into a corner, try to accelerate out and there was a huge flat spot, and the bike didnt seem to want to get up from vast lean angles