Riders who have not done a trackday

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25/01/2004 at 14:11
Why not ? does it not appeal, or has it just not been convenient ??

do you think you'd feel out of place because of your riding style or your bike ?

It often confuses me why people have no desire to get out in what's arguabely a far safer environment than any road scenario.

do you think it would bore you going round and round the same route time after time, lap after lap??




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25/01/2004 at 14:12
cause i cant afford it. simple as

once i have the mortgage sorted, i will

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25/01/2004 at 14:16
I've only passed my test within the last year and my bike is an XJ600. To be honest, I took up biking to go places on the bike rather than play on a racetrack. I see advanced training as being more important to me just now as an aid to my development as a biker. The whole sportsbike, replica suits/helmets & lets pretend to be racers thing just leaves me cold.

Ab


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25/01/2004 at 14:19
Spock wrote

I've only passed my test within the last year and my bike is an XJ600. To be honest, I took up biking to go places on the bike rather than play on a racetrack. I see advanced training as being more important to me just now as an aid to my development as a biker. The whole sportsbike, replica suits/helmets & lets pretend to be racers thing just leaves me cold.

Ab


do younot feel that track riding is in itself an advanced riding technique. Every novice to TD's i know has comeplted the day with increased confidence in both their and thier bikes abilities. It has made them both more used to the higher speeds and also the increased lean angles/corner speed.




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25/01/2004 at 14:24
Sorry, I should have said advanced on road training. All the trackdays in the world won't help me improve my assessment of how quickly an overtaking window closes with oncoming traffic, positioning to allow for side roads etc. I want my advanced training to be relevant to the concrete jungle with all its anarchy and disordered chaos.

Ab


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25/01/2004 at 14:29
Spock wrote

Sorry, I should have said advanced [b]on road training. All the trackdays in the world won't help me improve my assessment of how quickly an overtaking window closes with oncoming traffic, positioning to allow for side roads etc. I want my advanced training to be relevant to the concrete jungle with all its anarchy and disordered chaos.

Ab [/B]


hmmm i see your point. however trackdays do increase your perception of overtaking and closing speed on antoher vehicle. They also give you increased chances to improve your braking skills, both in a straight line and also when cranked over to an extent. Both of those skills could be seen as very useful in the concrete jungle could they not ?




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25/01/2004 at 14:29
Spock wrote

I've only passed my test within the last year and my bike is an XJ600. To be honest, I took up biking to go places on the bike

That bit of what he said except mine's an XJ750.
I'd like to - maybe in the spring. Not because I'm a wannabe racer in anyway shape or form, but to check-out / push-out the edges of my riding skills.
The case for this has been quite strongly made on various Survivor Skills threads.

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25/01/2004 at 14:30
Track days are a MUST for confidence in ya bike.

Well ok i am baised, but all peeps i know that have done their 1st trackday, wanted to do another immediately.

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25/01/2004 at 14:31
I'm not saying that there's no benefit to be had from trackdays, I just don't feel that doing one would be the most appropriate step for me at the moment. Reasons as stated above.

Ab


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25/01/2004 at 14:34
I have loads I can teach myself even on normal roads, for free. When I start reaching my own limits or the limits of the road, I might consider a track.

Then there's getting there. I've been to Brands and wasn't impressed with the track, everywhere else is a couple of hours ride away, and then a couple of hours home again.

Plus I'm too mechanically sympathetic to enjoy revving the nuts off a bike, not that I particularly enjoy or want to go fast. What's the point of riding if you only want to get from A to B as fast as possible? You might as well use a teleporter when one is invented.


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25/01/2004 at 14:40
I took so long to do a trackday cos I was scared - simple as.
The ego-toting Power Rangers with their dangerous bullshit on the roads was enough to prove that I shouldn't go anywhere near them on a track where they'd blat past me a million times in the one session, getting closer every time.
The only thing that got me onto one was that Tracktime Promotions held a Trackday Virgins day at Croft a couple of years ago, which was Power Ranger free.
It built my confidence up straight away and I've been on a few more since, even in the Inters group. Once

And yeah, you might be able to learn your bike and limits on the road for free, but you just can't have anywhere near as much fun as you can on track.
25/01/2004 at 14:42
silentmemory wrote

I have loads I can teach myself even on normal roads, for free. When I start reaching my own limits or the limits of the road, I might consider a track.

Then there's getting there. I've been to Brands and wasn't impressed with the track, everywhere else is a couple of hours ride away, and then a couple of hours home again.

Plus I'm too mechanically sympathetic to enjoy revving the nuts off a bike, not that I particularly enjoy or want to go fast. What's the point of riding if you only want to get from A to B as fast as possible? You might as well use a teleporter when one is invented.



the getting there and back is all part of the fun mate, the socialising the night before, the drive up in a van with 3 of you laughing and joking, the drive back.

Maybe you are already at your limits because you've not been in the correct environment to improve your skills and see how inferior skills are ??

Mechanically sympathetic... hmmmm not a lot i can say to that apart from that you don't have to rev any harder on track than you would on the road really.




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25/01/2004 at 14:51
I think i'd probably enjoy it if I could do it on someone else's bike... the idea of letting my enthusiasm get the better of me and chucking my bike down the track at 140mph or whatever doesn't appeal to me...

I wouldn't worry about being looked down on by whatever 'heroes-in-their-own-minds' trackday veterans happened to be mooching about (moggs imagines them commentating the 'race' to themselves as they go round like Brian Glover in 'Kes'), but i'd probably be a bit pissed off with myself if was wobbling about making a hash of it

but it's not something i'm desperate to do anyway... i like watching bike racing on the telly, but i'm not that bothered about going and riding round a circuit myself... likewise I enjoy watching football but I'm fairly ambivalent about going kicking a ball round the park on a sunday morning

i'd probably find it more enjoyable to go pillion of the back of someone who really knew what they were doing round a circuit - that way i'd get a real flavour of what's involved.. not just moggs the mobile-chicane trundling along & getting in everyone's way

each to their own though... people enjoy their biking in different ways, my pleasure is getting out on the bike, going on an adventure.. getting myself lost and seeing if I can find my way back home


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25/01/2004 at 14:52
Originally posted by rocksteady
the getting there and back is all part of the fun mate, the socialising the night before, the drive up in a van with 3 of you laughing and joking, the drive back.

No ta, I don't drink the night before I ride anywhere. So I'd rather be somewhere with a beer than sat around sober, 'socialising'.

Maybe you are already at your limits because you've not been in the correct environment to improve your skills and see how inferior skills are ??

I'm not at my limits on the road, not even close. But then who is when every road for half an hour in any direction is a 30mph limit? If I found some 60mph roads, that would like you going from the road to the track, only it's free for me.

Mechanically sympathetic... hmmmm not a lot i can say to that apart from that you don't have to rev any harder on track than you would on the road really.

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25/01/2004 at 15:01
'Cos I'm a tight git.

I'd have to fork out on a pair of leather trousers, which wouldn't get used on the road.

Trackdays are bloody expensive.

Can't afford to bin my bike, as it's used daily.

All that and with Mallory only a stones throw away

And anyway whats wrong with road racing on the roads
25/01/2004 at 15:04
mr tack wrote

spock has access to THE best biking roads in the uk anyway






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25/01/2004 at 15:06
rocksteady wrote

Why not ? does it not appeal, or has it just not been convenient ??


Time, expense, ability...

While I am not the worst rider on the planet, I am definitely not the best but I dont like to give anything but 100% effort in matters sporting. This leads me to believe that when riding a track I would do the same - the problem being that this is my only method of transport and any binning it will result in busses for the next decade because I am not exactly wadded with cash atm

It does appeal and when I get a car soon, I will no doubt attend a few, although knowing no-one with a bike doesnt exactly help

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do you think you'd feel out of place because of your riding style or your bike ?


Not at all, I think the best place for this bike is on the track, its pretty much purely about racing rather than any real life practicality. The CBR 600 RR is gagging for some track abuse, but I think I'll fit a steering damper first, stick some summer rubber on and then get the suspension set up for my fat arse

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It often confuses me why people have no desire to get out in what's arguabely a far safer environment than any road scenario.


Why does it confuse you? Not everyone would like lapping the same bit of featureless tarmac all the time. I am sure that some people, myself included would prefer the open countryside at a slightly less breakneck speed with all the scenery and road variations this entails. Dont get me wrong, I'd love a trackday now and again as well, but I dont think that I would ever prefer it to the roads in summer

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do you think it would bore you going round and round the same route time after time, lap after lap??


No, but it might do for some. I would enjoy it as a change, but not as the primary use of my biking time
25/01/2004 at 15:13
silentmemory wrote

I have loads I can teach myself even on normal roads, for free. When I start reaching my own limits or the limits of the road, I might consider a track.


Thats slightly odd logic in my opinion, people almost always benefit more from being taught than from teaching themselves and there is no reason to exlude one form of experience/training just because you may feel that you lack in another area. Not trying to force you to do anything, nothing to sell here, just commenting

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Plus I'm too mechanically sympathetic to enjoy revving the nuts off a bike, not that I particularly enjoy or want to go fast. What's the point of riding if you only want to get from A to B as fast as possible? You might as well use a teleporter when one is invented.


Well, firstly arent bikes supposed to be revved quite highly? I am not entirely sure about your SV, but my old suzuki wasnt really happy below 6-8k rpm and didnt really come alive until over 11k. Perhaps thats just sportsbike replicas, but saying that I know that my mothers car rarely gets revved anything too far above idle and it runs like a sack of shit because of it

Regarding the second comment, I feel that you have missed the point. The point of riding as fast as possible from A to B IS the point, its the journey and how you complete it that requires the emphasis, not the transition from point A to point B.
25/01/2004 at 15:19
becuase i'm worried about binning the bike, and its something i've not done and don't really know what to expect, oh and money
25/01/2004 at 15:23
R6 Rachie wrote

because i'm worried about binning the bike


Can't afford the potentiallly necessary repairs
Don't trust myself - perception of danger on the road slows me down
Can't afford to even bloody book one!
IAM's higher on my priority list, training wise.

I'd go one a free / very chaep try-out day though.

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