Opinions on Metzeler Z6s please

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OB
31/07/2005 at 14:07
I'm running 020s on the Thundercat, and they're OK, but have tendency to let go on hard cornering, and are not all that confidence inspiring in the wet.

RB has recommended Metzeler Z6s.

Would anyone else recommend them as a longer life road tyre, with enough grip to be ridden hard when wanted, on a 600 sports?
Northwind
31/07/2005 at 18:00
I'm running them on the SV, and they're magic. I ran Sportecs before but these are better in the wet, better when cold, reach and stay at operating temperature faster, and the only place they're substantially worse is in straight line power and braking. The do spin up in the wet more easily because of the slick central part, but it's always controllable and consistent. You get a little less feedback when pushing, but not so much that it's a problem.

Don't know yet how long they'll last, the rear's seen 6000 and still looks OK, and the front was changed off for a 120/70 Roadtec when I put the GSXR front end on it- it had loads of life left at 5000.

I don't plan to take them to a trackday again, they were the limiting factor for me, but since I save 3 rears and probably a front and a half every year over the Sportecs, that's enough to pay for a spare set of wheels with track oriented tyres!

Obviously an SV's not a sports 600 and you'll eat rears faster, but I've been nothing but impressed with them.
honda fatboy
31/07/2005 at 18:04
Never met him and didn't know that was his full name, but he (and FA) seem OK to me!
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OB
04/08/2005 at 16:04
Boing.

2nd question...
can you mix an 020 front, and z6 rear?
RiceBurner
04/08/2005 at 16:30
OB wrote
Boing.

2nd question...
can you mix an 020 front, and z6 rear?


ummmm - probably.

I've run a Z6 front and 020 rear previously (the 020 was as shite as ever but it didn't upset the bike any more than they usually do).
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Northwind
04/08/2005 at 17:51
Metzeler say not to mix the Z6 rear with any other tyre- they claim the front's central tread pattern is designed to clear a drier patch for the rear tyre's slick middle. I know tyre companies are always saying stuff like that, but they seem pretty serious about this one...
Irn Bru Freak
04/08/2005 at 17:56
How about Michelin pilot sports?

I got about 4000 miles out the rear, and never had any problems with grip

www.karateglasgow.com

Northwind
04/08/2005 at 23:18
Pilot SPorts are good but they're not really the same sort of tyre, the Roadtecs should give (generally) about twice the mileage. Diablo Stradas, Conti Roadattacks and Roadtecs are all in teh same ball park, Pilots aren't.
RiceBurner
05/08/2005 at 07:42
Irn Bru Freak wrote
How about Michelin pilot sports?

I got about 4000 miles out the rear, and never had any problems with grip

and you're happy with that??? christ! - I thought you were a penniless student!

Northwind - Road Attacks are NOT in the same ballpark. I can get around 5K out of a Z6 in summer (ie hard, fast riding). I only managed to get nearly 3K out of a rear Conti-Attack in the middle of winter.
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OB
05/08/2005 at 07:44
Northwind wrote
Metzeler say not to mix the Z6 rear with any other tyre- they claim the front's central tread pattern is designed to clear a drier patch for the rear tyre's slick middle. I know tyre companies are always saying stuff like that, but they seem pretty serious about this one...


oh, right. OK, ta.

Docca
05/08/2005 at 08:27
I hate 020's for the same reason you mention. Bike i'm picking up tomorrow has a set on, so they'll be going.

I'd recommend the Pirelli Diablo Strada's matey. Top notch, plenty of grip for plenty of miles

:x
RiceBurner
05/08/2005 at 08:50
Docca wrote
I hate 020's for the same reason you mention. Bike i'm picking up tomorrow has a set on, so they'll be going.

I'd recommend the Pirelli Diablo Strada's matey. Top notch, plenty of grip for plenty of miles

:x

This is very probably the ONLY thing I'll ever agree with Docca about.


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OB
05/08/2005 at 08:53
OK, ta both. Will get one of those jobbies then.

Irn Bru Freak
05/08/2005 at 10:30
RiceBurner wrote
and you're happy with that??? christ! - I thought you were a penniless student!

Northwind - Road Attacks are NOT in the same ballpark. I can get around 5K out of a Z6 in summer (ie hard, fast riding). I only managed to get nearly 3K out of a rear Conti-Attack in the middle of winter.

Erm, I thought 4000 miles was good??

What is the longst lasting 'decent grip' tyre then?

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RiceBurner
05/08/2005 at 12:11
Irn Bru Freak wrote
Erm, I thought 4000 miles was good??

What is the longst lasting 'decent grip' tyre then?

I get very decent grip (enough for trackdays) out of Z6's or Diablo Strada's and they last 5K or so. (some people get 10K out of them).

Just because it's a "sport-tour" tyre doesn't mean it's not grippy....
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Northwind
05/08/2005 at 18:33
RiceBurner wrote
Northwind - Road Attacks are NOT in the same ballpark. I can get around 5K out of a Z6 in summer (ie hard, fast riding). I only managed to get nearly 3K out of a rear Conti-Attack in the middle of winter.


Really? Blimey... with the 160/60s we've been seeing roughly the same mileages as you get from a Roadtec.

There's not much to choose between Stradas and Roadtecs as far as I've heard- they're both the same carcass and designed by the same people, for the same role. Some reckon the Strada's a little softer, I don't honestly know.
RiceBurner
08/08/2005 at 08:24
Northwind wrote
Really? Blimey... with the 160/60s we've been seeing roughly the same mileages as you get from a Roadtec.

There's not much to choose between Stradas and Roadtecs as far as I've heard- they're both the same carcass and designed by the same people, for the same role. Some reckon the Strada's a little softer, I don't honestly know.

Aye - I'm going on personal experience, not lots of bikes (sounds like you might be?) - but I got about 2,500 on a Road-Attack in Jan/Feb/Mar this year and was forced to change it cos I had a tour coming up - we reckoned it had around 500 miles left in it.

I'm also finding the Strada to be slightly harder than the Roadtec personally.
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