It seems soldiers being killed at war is now news..

PX200

05/11/2004 at 08:40

Headline stuff in recent years..

It also seems (from the Blackwatch thread) that opinion on if this really should be news or not is split..

I find it odd that in a war situation a soldier being killed jumps to the main story.

But.. do you think it now hits the headlines because we are so good at war (and usually fight people that are shit at it) that people are genuinely surprised that a soldier is lost...

Or do you think that this is kinda being encouraged, whipping up support from some people by planting that "damn dirty rag-heads.. they killed our boys, let's do the lot of them" type of thought in the head of anyone (which, unhappily, is probably a fair few) stupid enough to be swayed like that?

blue owl

05/11/2004 at 09:08

PX200 wrote

Headline stuff in recent years..

It also seems (from the Blackwatch thread) that opinion on if this really should be news or not is split..

I find it odd that in a war situation a soldier being killed jumps to the main story.

But.. do you think it now hits the headlines because we are so good at war (and usually fight people that are shit at it) that people are genuinely surprised that a soldier is lost...

Or do you think that this is kinda being encouraged, whipping up support from some people by planting that "damn dirty rag-heads.. they killed our boys, let's do the lot of them" type of thought in the head of anyone (which, unhappily, is probably a fair few) stupid enough to be swayed like that?

This amaze's me why do people over emphasize things, so what's wrong in saying "damm dirty rag-heads" kill the fuckers i don't think they mean every Iraq'y just the ones that are trying to kill the British soldier,regardless of right or wrong these lads and lass's are my line of defence which if the worst came to worst and there was a (normal) war these people are protecting me and will be dying to protect me and you, so yeh i call em fuckin ragg-eds! but i don't walk in to my Kebab shop and shout "OY ragg-ed giv us a donna"(with a bit of chilli please)

Rincewind

05/11/2004 at 09:10

blue owl wrote

but i don't walk in to my Kebab shop and shout "OY ragg-ed giv us a donna"(with a bit of chilli please)

I wouldn't eat said donna if you did

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Jacko

05/11/2004 at 09:32

It is a hard news story - but I don't like the way it has been handled. But 24-hr rolling news means having to fill a full 24 hours of air-time with every last cough and spit of detail.

Plus I think it's symptomatic of the media-inspired mawkish, hand-wringing, I'm-more-sincere-about-a-stranger's-death culture that has sprung up post-Diana.

After every death politicians of all sides have to trot out the "may I first extend our deepest condolences to the family of ...." Let's just take that a given shall we and get to the point of the issue.

The media wants to see angry grieving relatives. Who will get media prominence? The family that says "bring Our Boys home now, Mr Blair" or the family that says "my boy was a soldier first and died doing his duty. We don't have words to express our pride for his courage..."

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AdamA

05/11/2004 at 17:08

erm, we arent at war.

We are on peace keeping ops. A policing role.

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qwerty

05/11/2004 at 17:10

Abelrider wrote

erm, we arent at war.

We are on peace keeping ops. A policing role.

It's all part of the war on terror.

AdamA

05/11/2004 at 17:12

Mr Soap wrote

It's all part of the war on terror.

But we still arent AT WAR.

Dirtybill

05/11/2004 at 17:12

Abelrider wrote

erm, we arent at war.

We are on peace keeping ops. A policing role.

Dubbya will change that soon enough.

Ares

05/11/2004 at 17:13

Mr Soap wrote

It's all part of the war on terror.

[pedant mode] That's spelt "terrrrrrrrrr" ok?[/pm]

Rincewind

05/11/2004 at 17:14

Fajitahead wrote

[pedant mode] That's spelt "terrrrrrrrrr" ok?[/pm]

Terrok

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Ares

05/11/2004 at 17:17

Rincewind wrote

Terrok

I don't think Bush speaks Klingon.

qwerty

05/11/2004 at 17:19

Fajitahead wrote

I don't think Bush speaks Klingon.

It's just as well or he'd probably be asking them to give uip their WMDs.

CountZer0

05/11/2004 at 17:19

Abelrider wrote

But we still arent AT WAR.

That'll please the Black Watch boys:

"Don't worry lads, they're not firing war bullets at us, they're peace-keeping bullets."

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whitebird

05/11/2004 at 17:20

Bush declared victory in May last year if memory serves.

Soldiers getting killed in a peace keeping operation has always been news. cf. Northern Ireland 1967-1998 - there were strong opinions about that as well IIRC.

AdamA

05/11/2004 at 17:26

CountZer0 wrote

That'll please the Black Watch boys:

"Don't worry lads, they're not firing war bullets at us, they're peace-keeping bullets."

"Fuck off Sarge."

Oddly it makes a difference.

People expect to get killed at war.
They DONT expect to get killed when trying to get a country back on its feet.

Hence it IS news.

Bwana

05/11/2004 at 17:27

blue owl wrote

This amaze's me why do people over emphasize things, so what's wrong in saying "damm dirty rag-heads" kill the fuckers i don't think they mean every Iraq'y just the ones that are trying to kill the British soldier,regardless of right or wrong these lads and lass's are my line of defence which if the worst came to worst and there was a (normal) war these people are protecting me and will be dying to protect me and you, so yeh i call em fuckin ragg-eds! but i don't walk in to my Kebab shop and shout "OY ragg-ed giv us a donna"(with a bit of chilli please)

phewwwwww, could ya slip a period in here and there?

Did the thought ever occur to you that the 'ragheads' have the very same thoughts about troops over there trying to 'liberate' them?

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blue owl

05/11/2004 at 17:32

Bwana wrote

phewwwwww, could ya slip a period in here and there?

Did the thought ever occur to you that the 'ragheads' have the very same thoughts about troops over there trying to 'liberate' them?

So hang on a mo ...so what your saying is, just because i'm in your country you can shoot me?

Bwana

05/11/2004 at 17:36

blue owl wrote

So hang on a mo ...so what your saying is, just because i'm in your country you can shoot me?

Now that really is rich.

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moth

05/11/2004 at 17:37

blue owl wrote

So hang on a mo ...so what your saying is, just because i'm in your country after prosecuting a war without a UN sanction, pulling apart the countries infrastructure, and killing thousands of civilians, all under a false pretext you can shoot me?

Yep

That`s seems about right

Ungrateful fucking rag-heads

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AdamA

05/11/2004 at 17:37

blue owl wrote

i don't walk in to my Kebab shop and shout "OY ragg-ed giv us a donna"(with a bit of chilli please)

You must live in a posh town.

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