Is there such a thing as a digital radio transmitter?

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21/12/2005 at 15:33
Like the FM transmitters you can stick in the back of your PC or or MP3 player and listen to it on the radio. I'm after one of those but one that a digital radio can pick up... is there such a thing yet?
21/12/2005 at 15:36
there are things like www.apple.com/airportexpress/
but I've never seen such a thing in DAB ... which would be illegal anyway

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21/12/2005 at 15:36
arman wrote
Like the FM transmitters you can stick in the back of your PC or or MP3 player and listen to it on the radio. I'm after one of those but one that a digital radio can pick up... is there such a thing yet?


havent seen one yet but im sure it probably exists

other option is to get a freeview box for the pc and listen to the digi channels through that.

www.radioandtelly.co.uk/onyourpc.html

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21/12/2005 at 19:28
kyot]there are things like www.apple.com/airportexpress/
but I've never seen such a thing in DAB ... which would be illegal anyway wrote


If it's something that only a very short distance like the FM ones then why would it be illegal? Are the laws for digital transmission more strict?


[QUOTE=G]havent seen one yet but im sure it probably exists

other option is to get a freeview box for the pc and listen to the digi channels through that.

www.radioandtelly.co.uk/onyourpc.html


We have a DAB radio and all the music on the PC so I was looking for a wirefree way of listening to things around the house.
21/12/2005 at 19:32
A transmitter just transmits whatever you put onto it, be it an anologue or digital input.
It is therefore the input to the transmitter that needs to be digital.


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21/12/2005 at 19:41
Abel wrote
A transmitter just transmits whatever you put onto it, be it an anologue or digital input.
It is therefore the input to the transmitter that needs to be digital.


If you transmit digital music through analogue (FM) transmitter you'll have to listen to on an FM radio which is also analogue.

If you transmit digital music through digital transmitter (if there's such a thing yet) then you can listen to it on a DAB radio with (possibly) no loss of quality and less chance of interference... specially if you live in London.
21/12/2005 at 19:49
arman wrote
If you transmit digital music through analogue (FM) transmitter you'll have to listen to on an FM radio which is also analogue.

If you transmit digital music through digital transmitter (if there's such a thing yet) then you can listen to it on a DAB radio with (possibly) no loss of quality and less chance of interference... specially if you live in London.

You arent listening are you?

An FM transmitter just transmits a frequency modulated carrier wave.
The information that is carried on that wave is the digital or analogue bit.
You get out what you put in.
Its the bit after that the deals with the demodulated bit that makes the difference to the output.
NOT the transmitter.
As long as the unmodulated input is the correct digital format and level, ANY FD transmitter will do the job.


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21/12/2005 at 19:50
arman wrote
If it's something that only a very short distance like the FM ones then why would it be illegal? Are the laws for digital transmission more strict?

We have a DAB radio and all the music on the PC so I was looking for a wirefree way of listening to things around the house.


It would be just as illegal as the FM transmitters.

Not illegal to use in some other countries hence availability of FM transmitters but less likely to have DAB ones as hugely more complicated for a (almost) cottage industry.

As suggested you could do it by wifi, maybe to a PDA for portability.
21/12/2005 at 19:57
Abel wrote
You arent listening are you?

I think it's you that's not listening

Have a read of this sparky
21/12/2005 at 20:05
Kneerly Down wrote
It would be just as illegal as the FM transmitters.


I see


Kneerly Down wrote
Not illegal to use in some other countries hence availability of FM transmitters but less likely to have DAB ones as hugely more complicated for a (almost) cottage industry.


So... I have to wait until DAB takes off properly in a not so strict country. Then wait for the transmission technology to be mass produced... bugger
21/12/2005 at 20:06
arman]I think it's you that's not listening wrote

Nope.
Its definately you.
[QUOTE=Abel]As long as the unmodulated input is the correct digital format (MPEG innit?) and level, ANY FD transmitter will do the job.


www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-47,GGLD:en&q=COFDM+transmitter
you might wanna look here.
Oh, and hold a military contract.


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21/12/2005 at 20:10
Kneerly Down wrote
less likely to have DAB ones as hugely more complicated for a (almost) cottage industry.

Its simple. Tis only 6 blocks.

No worse than a superheterodyne.


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21/12/2005 at 20:28
Abel]Nope.
Its definately you. wrote


Is it?

My problem: I want to listen to the music stored on my computer on my DAB radio (not on my FM radio where you get a zillion drum'n'base pirate stations fighting over each MHz in London).

My proposed solution: Is to find a digital radio transmitter to transmit my music (at around 220MHz I think) to my ready and waiting DAB radio.

Now where does FM transmitters come into this. I know I can get FM transmitter but they're rubbish.


[QUOTE=Abel]
www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-47,GGLD:en&q=COFDM+transmitter
you might wanna look here.
Oh, and hold a military contract.


WTF are you talking about now? What good is that shite?
I simply want to listen to stuff not go out and become frikin arms dealer
21/12/2005 at 20:54
arman]Is it? [/quote]
Yes. Shall I point out where? wrote
Now where does FM transmitters come into this. I know I can get FM transmitter but they're rubbish.

It doesnt.
Abel wrote
As long as the unmodulated input is the correct digital format (MPEG innit?) and level, ANY FD transmitter will do the job.

I was merely using an FM modulator as an example.
Perhaps I should have typed "For instance" for the hard of thinking.
The type of modulation is not what makes it digital, its the end product.
You can broadcast digital input on any type of transmitter.
The BBC(and their partners) happen to have chosen a COFDM one.

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WTF are you talking about now? What good is that shite?
I simply want to listen to stuff not go out and become frikin arms dealer

Yes, and oddly that is links to the only places you can buy COFDM Txers at the mo which is what you require. But you need to be military or police to do so most places IFAIAA.


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21/12/2005 at 21:55
You're dividing the transmitter and its input in to two seperate entities... for what reason?

In the context of my original question a transmitter is a single entity which takes its input from the back of my PC or MP3 player and transmits it to my DAB radio as said in my first post: Like the FM transmitters you can stick in the back of your PC or MP3 player and listen to it on the radio. I'm after one of those but one that a digital radio can pick up...


Given that, what is the point of your arse about way of saying that I need an 'COFDM Txers' specially one that is of sod all use anyway given that the DAB radio receives signal at around 220Mhz and the gizmo in your link doesn't transmit at that frequency!
Unless of course you're suggesting I get a mached TX/RX units and hook that up to my amp and throw my new DAB radio in the bin?
21/12/2005 at 22:10
arman wrote
You're dividing the transmitter and its input in to two seperate entities... for what reason?

Cos unless you can figure out how to transmit the contents of your MP3 player in the correct input format that they are stored in it wont work.

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In the context of my original question a transmitter is a single entity which takes its input from the back of my PC or MP3 player and transmits it to my DAB radio as said in my first post: Like the FM transmitters you can stick in the back of your PC or MP3 player and listen to it on the radio. I'm after one of those but one that a digital radio can pick up...

The output from your MP3 player is analogue audio, not a digital signal in MP3 format which is what makes it DIGITAL audio broadcast, NOT the type of transmitter.
Anything you plug your MP3 player into would have to convert the audio BACK to MP3 for transmission (thus loosing even more clarity), as I believe (correct me if I am wrong) DAB uses MP3 format modulating a COFDM transmitter.

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Given that, what is the point of your arse about way of saying that I need an 'COFDM Txers'

Cos thats what you need to transmit on.

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specially one that is of sod all use anyway given that the DAB radio receives signal at around 220Mhz and the gizmo in your link doesn't transmit at that frequency!

My "link" was too a "COFDM Transmitter" search result on google.
Im certain their were a lot of "gizmos" there, on various differing frequencies.
I am not about to search the entire internet to find one that matches your requirements. I am trying to be helpful, but not THAT helpful.

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Unless of course you're suggesting I get a mached TX/RX units and hook that up to my amp and throw my new DAB radio in the bin?
Do what you like pal. IRDGAS.
You try and help.....


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22/12/2005 at 00:53
Abel wrote
Cos unless you can figure out how to transmit the contents of your MP3 player in the correct input format that they are stored in it wont work.


I don't want to worry about that. What I'm after is an out of the box solution where I simply connect it to the source (lets not worry about original format... be it MP3 or even a microphone) and it after doing all the necessary conversions transmits on a frequency and in a format that my digital radio and play.



Abel wrote

I am trying to be helpful, but not THAT helpful.


Abel wrote
A transmitter just transmits whatever you put onto it, be it an anologue or digital input.
It is therefore the input to the transmitter that needs to be digital.


Yip, most helpful


Abel wrote

Do what you like pal. IRDGAS.
You try and help.....


Thanks pal but please don't bother in the future
22/12/2005 at 01:15
Yer having a laugh, go google - I found a variety of transmitters using Abel's COFDM keyword that take a USB (or similar) input, but none of it is consumer stuff. For example, Roke Manor do one and trust me they are not a retail sort of outfit.

I rather suspect the consumer item just doesn't exist. No call for it really, there's a million and one gizmos that'll stream MP3 over your wireless network and feed it into a stereo or whatever - clearly much less difficult to implement as a parts bin job and also legal.

On a similar note, why has nobody bolted a DAB receiver onto an iPod type thing? You've got the HDD, you've got the decompression and audio hardware, all you need is a receiver and you could do Tivo type things with radio on a portable device, which would rock. I want one.
22/12/2005 at 10:10
whitebird wrote
For example, Roke Manor do one and trust me they are not a retail sort of outfit.


And there is one of the most outstanding examples of classic British understatement I've seen this year! I was a vacation student there for two summers, a very long time ago indeed. Beautiful place though.

Been out of this field for also a long time, but I do think you should listen to Abel. He's talking my language.

I have to say I think it must exist as a one box solution somewhere, but where indeed? Otherwise I'd suggest that an engineer could knock you up something for a not too much. Best not ask Abel now though, eh?

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22/12/2005 at 13:44
arman wrote
I don't want to worry about that.

You HAVE to worry about that. Its one of the BASIC principles of the thing.
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What I'm after is an out of the box solution where I simply connect it to the source (lets not worry about original format... be it MP3 or even a microphone) and it after doing all the necessary conversions transmits on a frequency and in a format that my digital radio and play.


And THAT is what THIS says just will not happen. :
Abel wrote
Cos unless you can figure out how to transmit the contents of your MP3 player in the correct input format that they are stored in it wont work.
The output from your MP3 player is analogue audio, not a digital signal in MP3 format which is what makes it DIGITAL audio broadcast, NOT the type of transmitter.
Anything you plug your MP3 player into would have to convert the audio BACK to MP3 for transmission (thus loosing even more clarity), as I believe (correct me if I am wrong) DAB uses MP3 format modulating a COFDM transmitter.

The player output is ANALOGUE AUDIO, not MP3 FORMAT DIGITAL. You would need something other than an MP3 player, that outputs in the same format an MP3 is saved to the media, not audio.
What you might get in the future is am MP3 player with built in COFDM Tx, that transmits it before its converted to audio.
But I doubt it.

editor wrote
Best not ask Abel now though, eh?

Indeed.
Gone.


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