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human
26/05/2001 at 19:54
So you're a visordown member and obviously highly skilled and well protected when you ride your motorcycle. You spot a weekend warrior ahead of you in shorts and a T-shirt and decide to demonstrate your superior abilities by passing him - safely of course. Since his brain is fueled by testosterone he takes this as a challenge and comes steaming after you. You decide to have some fun and start pushing him to go faster. As you tip it into a fast corner he drops it and seriously injures himself.
Knowing what these riders are like, is it wrong to encourage them by racing them? If you had let him go he would still have legs, and you knew you were faster anyway.

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Zanx
26/05/2001 at 20:04
Nah, leave 'em to kill/skin/kebab themselves unassisted somewhere else, least you'll sleep at night. This hasn't happened to U has it Human?
hippicat
26/05/2001 at 20:08
na leave him alone.
if he's fool enough to ride without the gear then he'll end hurting himself anyway.
and if you do push him and he has an off he could take you with him. it's not worth it
you know you are better so yu don't need to prove it
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Gromit
26/05/2001 at 20:16
Good thread - should prove interesting.

I'd leave hime well alone; when I was 16 I was tearing around the school playground on my mate's GT250 - felt fast in those days(!) and fell off the bloody thing at no more than 15-20mph. I was not wearing gloves - I tore my right hand to bits. Couldn't **** for a month.

In 1991 I was serving in the Middle East, jumping out of Pumas and picking up dead Iraqi's. An unfortunate by-product of that conflict was the good weather (before Soddam lit the wells) which meant there were a few RTA's. I picked up a guy who had fallen off his Armstrong at 40mph, wearing, apart from DMS boots and a lid, only a t-shirt and combat pants. His forearm was held to his upper by a piece of skin and ligament only 1cm thick. His elbow joint had ceased to exist.

That's why I wear leathers, whatever the weather. I'm not going to encourage any dickhead into any race.




If he's wearing the gear, well...

Ringadingding
human
26/05/2001 at 20:17
No it's not happened to me, but with the proliferation of these characters I can forsee such a situation.
Viagraman
26/05/2001 at 20:31
leave 'em to it !!

btw ........ neone know where i can get a good pair of leather jeans ??
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LECTER
26/05/2001 at 20:38
hippicat wrote

na leave him alone.
if he's fool enough to ride without the gear then he'll end hurting himself anyway.
and if you do push him and he has an off he could take you with him. it's not worth it
you know you are better so yu don't need to prove it
:burnout: :burnout:
LECTER












26/05/2001 at 20:40
Im gunna disagree with you all and say if you pass him/her and they take it as a challange then so be it,,,its there fault if they end up coming off and hurting them selves ,,you did'nt force them into a race did you!!
Pazzi
26/05/2001 at 20:56
I would never race or "challenge" anyone on the road anyway (I wouldn't take up a "challenge either).

But that aside every rider is responsible for their own actions - if a rider wants to wear a t-shirt on their bike, thats up to them. If they want to go fast wearing a t-shirt, or ride beyond their capability that's up to them.

If they kill themselves, they kill themselves. If they were "chasing" another bike that buzzed them, it's still 100% their responsibility and their choice.

I won't change my riding speed/style/etc just 'cos I come across another rider wearing a t-shirt!

p.s. Who cares if a rider wants to ride in a t-shirt - live and let live/die. If you fall off in a t-shirt you will get more injuries than wearing protective kit but you can die falling off wearing even the most expensive leathers and lid.

Maybe we should all stop riding and take up basket-weaving.

Nice thread.

Viffer
26/05/2001 at 21:00
I try not to race (I'm not always successful, though).

There's always the possibility I might lose , but, more to the point, if it resulted in someone else or, worse still me, getting hurt, I'd be mortified, and I'm a coward wher mortification is concerned.
Just because I don't, that doesn't mean I can't.
Ziffy
26/05/2001 at 21:02
Agree with most, Leave well alone. But some idiots just dont get the hint.
Shit Happens

Back on 2 wheels and loving it :burnout:
Dodgy Geezer
27/05/2001 at 00:12
I've yet to meet a male motorcyclist who won't occasionally take up a thrown down gauntlet and "race" someone on the road. Maybe they exist, but I ain;t found 'em yet in my world.....

silentmemory
27/05/2001 at 00:27
If they don't care for their own safety then they sure as hell don't care for mine. A race with this guy is dangerous, leave well alone.

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Rossco929
27/05/2001 at 05:01
If he wants to race, he accepts the consequences. Ditto for his choice in apparel. Really though, it is nobody else's business what another rider wears. Where do some of you lot get of pulling this this holier than thou crap about "proper gear"? Live an let live, I say, and mind your own damn business. I will tell you that sometimes it is actually safer to ride without full leathers. When? When it is 35 degrees Celcius and 98% RH, that's when. When you are so hot in your gear that you cannot concentrate on riding, it is better not to have the gear in the first place. Then again, you holier than thou people who think you know everything about riding, and what is "proper gear" won't understand that. Sorry people, but in riding as in life, one outfit does not suit all occasions. Make your own informed decisions, and leave others to do the same. You look like complete assholes judging others solely by their choice of gear.
Rossco.



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Bubonic
27/05/2001 at 07:43
It's usually the other way round for me. i.e the guy on the R1, Blade, 996, or indeed just about anything down to a Puch Maxi comes up behind me and I just wave them through, assuming I see them at all in the first place. (748 + Mirrors = Good view of underside of elbows, but little else)





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Zanx
27/05/2001 at 07:49
Rossco, spot on with the concentration point. There have been times here (yes in UK) that I've had sweat pouring into my eyes because of the 3 inches of thermal insulation encasing my head. It's hard to make the decision as to whether it's more dangerous to be blinded by sweat and rendered wooly headed by heat, or to dump the safety gear and ride, fully alert and on the ball. Tough call.

BTW, if RH reaches 100%, do you drown?
D.A.V.E.
27/05/2001 at 07:52
Dodgy Geezer wrote

I've yet to meet a male motorcyclist who won't occasionally take up a thrown down gauntlet and "race" someone on the road. Maybe they exist, but I ain;t found 'em yet in my world.....




Believe it or not, you have just found one !

I cant be arsed to race anymore, I am getting to old to bother.

Ride me own ride and then see me kids at the end of the day, although I put a lot of it down to the gas bottle.....

In other words why bother, let em pass..if they see the Nitrous bottle then there fuggin idiots if they think there gonna pull me on a straight......

If they dont know wot it is then I am putting myself in a stupid situation, and risk killing someones Mum or Dad & I couldnt live with that.

The only road user that really gets me wound up is the Spotty kis in the hot hatch and 30KW of sub bass in his boot, who thinks his car can take any bike on the road.
27/05/2001 at 10:47
[The only road user that really gets me wound up is the Spotty kis in the hot hatch and 30KW of sub bass in his boot, who thinks his car can take any bike on the road.
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A speakers system more impressive than his 10 year old Nova...bless....shame it shunts out shite "tunes".
voodoo
27/05/2001 at 11:47
I too pass on the so called challenge, it's not what I take pleasure from when out for a ride. So another one for Dodgy Geezer's stats.

Having said that, sometimes I follow bikes that have gone pass, because it's nice when they cleared the path ahead.
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Ballacraine
27/05/2001 at 18:13
You can't be held responsible for other peoples actions.

Personally, although prone to occasional red mists I am not really a competetive person & if someone want's to go faster than me then good luck to them.

Nige.
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