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FastEddy
24/06/2002 at 14:44
Not sure if this is in the right section really, but this is where most people will see it.

Is it safe, and indeed considered good practice, to be braking hard right up to the apex of a bend??

I found myself doing this, mostly at Lodge corner at Oulton and wondered if I was in fact in grave danger of losing the front end

I then tried not braking as deep in to the corner........and nearly ran off the track!!!!

Where's the best place to be letting the brakes off?


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weeksy
24/06/2002 at 14:45
anywhere before you turn......

you using just front or Back too ????
FastEddy
24/06/2002 at 14:46
weeksy wrote

anywhere before you turn......

you using just front or Back too ????


Not sure what you mean.

Only using front.


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weeksy
24/06/2002 at 14:49
depends a lot on the turn ..... the number of apexs the angle of propsed lean, the entry speed desired.....

it's an impossible question apart from., before the bend begins.....
whitebird
24/06/2002 at 15:04
If you are braking and turning at the same time you are pushing the front tyre harder than is classically supposed to be a good idea. If you're style is steam up to the bend on the brakes, flick it round, taking a square line and being leant over for the shortest possible time and gas out hard, great. If you're trying to ride classic lines you probably want to be off the front brake a bit earlier.

It sounds like you do the same thing as me - I brake too gently and for too long and carry brake into the turn as a consequence, and it's a sod to get rid of. I've been told (repeatedly) that the way to learn it is to brake hard far too early to the appropriate corner entry speed and almost coast into the bend on a slightly positive throttle - when you speed that up the net effect is smoother.
CBR6DC
24/06/2002 at 15:06
er.. i used to think u shouldnt brake apart from when upright... but after braking thru chriss into the gooseneck the other day im not so scared of losing the front end now... i think u just have to be careful how much brake u apply... but on some corners u lose out if u dont do it.

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FastEddy
24/06/2002 at 15:09
whitebird wrote

I've been told (repeatedly) that the way to learn it is to brake hard far too early to the appropriate corner entry speed and almost coast into the bend on a slightly positive throttle - when you speed that up the net effect is smoother.


Good!, that sounds like the way I was taking some of the other corners.

Wasn't sure if that was right either?!


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weeksy
24/06/2002 at 15:10
WB, can't wait to meet you for PEmbrey mate.... this should be fun... we can help eachother loads and both come out quicker track riders.....

i've set targets of 1.07....


The best thing to do for adivce on this stuff is either buy Twist of the Wrist II

or

Get on track instruction for guide on lines and braking markers from racer/instructor.....

Do you use braking markers or just feel where the correct point is and hit the brakes ?????
Yaanufs
24/06/2002 at 15:15
Funnily enough my instructor told me the exact opposite to WB on the Ron Haslam day. According to him the only thing I did right was brake hard and late into the corners. He wanted me to hold onto the brake as long as possible and tip the bike while still braking. This had the effect of keeping the front forks compressed and the bike therefore turned in much quicker and easier.

According to him letting off the brakes and settling the bikes is for road riding I.A.M. types
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weeksy
24/06/2002 at 15:17
you don't want the front end compressed as when it unloads in the middle of the corner it will unsettle the bike.....have the bike set before you turn......
Yaanufs
24/06/2002 at 15:23
weeksy wrote

you don't want the front end compressed as when it unloads in the middle of the corner it will unsettle the bike.....have the bike set before you turn......


My experience tells me otherwise.

Braking into the corners was a "good thing"TM.

The bike did not sproing back after unloading in the middle of the corners. It actually felt more settled when I did it the way my instructor said and was much smoother round the corners.

I was trying the release the brake early and settle the bike approach and he told me to try hanging onto the brakes longer, keep the suspension compressed and then tip the bike and see what I thought. It was a night and day experience, the difference was really noticable when I used the turn under braking technique. I thought it was a fantastic method for the track. I wont use it on the road though.
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XTremo
24/06/2002 at 15:25
Brake going into bends?
Is this some sort of new craze?
Why wasn't I told?
whitebird
24/06/2002 at 15:33
I do use markers when there are obvious ones available - I was struggling a bit from Park to the Gooseneck round Cadwell because it's so utterly featureless, there's not a lot to latch onto in terms of where you want to be turning/braking. I've got a copy of Twist of the Wrist II but it's a damn sight easier to read the book than it is to actually do all that stuff on the circuit while you've got a bloodstream full of adrenalin and the tarmac is rushing past 3 feet from your head.

Braking into the corners (or not) is a style thing, like I was trying to say above - some people are quicker taking square lines and being aggressive with the brakes and the throttle, some people are quicker being smooth and going for max lean - look at the difference between Shane Byrne and Hislop, both of them are winning BSB races but they have totally different approaches to riding a bike.

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Yaanufs
24/06/2002 at 15:37
whitebird wrote

Braking into the corners (or not) is a style thing,

they have totally different approaches to riding a bike.


Indeed, and my instructor noticed that it would suit my style of riding (and he was right).

To make a blanket statement that braking into corners is wrong and that you should release the brakes and settle the bike before turning is wrong.

Perhaps FastEddy is a similar type of braker to me and it will suit him more to be aggresive on the brakes. Why try and persuade him otherwise?
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weeksy
24/06/2002 at 15:40
wasn't trying to persuade him..... he asked for advice, and i offered my opinion... based on my experiences and my riding....

that's all.
Gromit
24/06/2002 at 15:44
As far as you like on a BM.

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Couch Commando
24/06/2002 at 15:45
When fully upright you can brake 100%, when fully leaned over your front tyre grip is 100% taken by the lean angle.
But anywhere in between you vary the available grip between cornering and braking. On the track in the dry you can still be braking fairly hard when your knee touches down. Just release the brakes gently to stop the suspension bouncing back. As soon as braking is done you should be straight back on the gas looking for the exit. On the road I also do this but not to the same extremes.
I have enough bikes thanks
Razzer
24/06/2002 at 15:49
I have also developed this habit of braking right into the corner. I do sometimes think that it would help me to improve corner speed if I settled the bike first before peeling in.

Once the corner speed is at a good level, maybe then go back to braking right into the corner.

What do the experts think of this plan?
Couch Commando
24/06/2002 at 15:51
Razzer wrote

I have also developed this habit of braking right into the corner. I do sometimes think that it would help me to improve corner speed if I settled the bike first before peeling in.

Once the corner speed is at a good level, maybe then go back to braking right into the corner.

What do the experts think of this plan?


While you're settling the bike everyone else is braking deep and passing you
I have enough bikes thanks
weeksy
24/06/2002 at 15:52
you wanna brake to set the speed, then turn then brake again ?????
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