Has political correctness been rammed down our throats?????

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X81
24/10/2001 at 16:17
Before i start, this is a question not me looking for an arguement.

In reference to russ's thread on Black bikers, whilst replying to it i found myself writing disclaimers at the end that i was not racist etc and was scared that my view point be taken the wrong way.

This led me to thinking, has this whole PC thing that started in the 80's when i was at school and was rammed home to us every day that if we even mention the colour of so and so's skin then we are racist, left society sitting on a knife edge of being scared of what to say through fear of being branded a racist.

E.g. My dad's generation did not have this and struggles to come to terms with it at times, some of the things he says sometimes make me cringe and want to curl up in a ball and hide, i know he doesn't mean it with any malice and probably does it without even knowing, no one is offended and probably i am the only one who notices.

But again it draws me back to the whole thing of PC, has it gone to far?

Even when discussing issues like this down the pub i can't help thinking oh nope can't say that people will think i'm racist.

I don't feel like this when discussing other subjects, so why when discussing race? My own paranoia? But has this not been feulled by the whole PC thing in the 80's when baa baa black sheep was banned, and people weren't short they were vertically challanged, some PC stuff is laughable but some of it i think has had some long lasting negetive effects.

What's your views?

I know this is long and i apologise, but i wanted to try to put my point of view across in as much detail as possible.

Mr nobody

Gruntie
24/10/2001 at 16:21
Well its made you think carefully about your own attitudes and that can only be a good thing

If only more people thought things through before opening their mouths we would all be able to hug trees in peace

Gruntie
Dumb Ape
24/10/2001 at 16:22
I've heard tales of the way you treat your Biatches - you pimpy person .... starving them of chocolate .... degrading them themselves with a lemon .... and other assorted horrors not very PC in itself m8

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human
24/10/2001 at 16:25
Gruntie wrote

Well its made you think carefully about your own attitudes and that can only be a good thing


I just said the same thing on MSN Messenger - Peace to you bro
RiceBurner
24/10/2001 at 16:27
(seriously) yeah I think PC has gone too far - over PC-ness means that sometimes thugs who are not white can not be treated properly by the police (for example). So a "good thing" get abused by bad people - welcome to the world (unfortunately).

However - I wouldn't know how to change it - and in some ways it has been good because it has made us think about things a bit more.

If we had been able to do the thining bit without the ramming it down our throats bit then we wouldn't be human (sadly).
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Big_Daddy
24/10/2001 at 16:29
In answer to your basic question - yes, it's ridiculous

I mean, Robertson's have even had to remove the Golliwog from their marmalade, fer chrissakes!
X81
24/10/2001 at 16:29
Gruntie wrote

Well its made you think carefully about your own attitudes and that can only be a good thing

If only more people thought things through before opening their mouths we would all be able to hug trees in peace

Gruntie



Just wondering if it has all got out of hand over the last 15 years or so to a point where some of us are over sensitive to it.

For instance a disabled person doesn't want you to molly coddle them, yet your concsience tells you to help them with everything cos they can't cope, you don't want to seem rude and nasty to said disabled person so you over compensate and try to help more, resulting in pissing them off more than if you just ignored the disability,it's the same kind of thing.

FWIW My mum is disabled so i have a bit of experience of this.

Mr nobody

24/10/2001 at 16:30
We need to be aware of the sensitivities of other races, religions, creeds and nations because understanding can help to prevent warfare and suffering. However, there are times when I really do think it has gone far too far. I can't see how the tolerance displayed in this country would be echoed in the countries of origin that many immigrants come from...and there are times when as a "white" man I feel very heavily discriminated against.

My bro lives in Leyton, London. He applied for a house in a nearby newly developed housing association estate...all dead smart stuff...only to be told that it was for Asians only!!!!!! WTF is going on...could U C us getting away with a whites-only estate? Of course not.

X81
24/10/2001 at 16:31
Big_Daddy wrote

In answer to your basic question - yes, it's ridiculous

I mean, Robertson's have even had to remove the Golliwog from their marmalade, fer chrissakes!


I loved them things, used to collect the badges too, must be worth a fortune now

Mr nobody

Gonzo
24/10/2001 at 16:34
In its most simple and innocent form, political correctness is really just a modern take on the idea of 'manners' or social graces but taken to its extreme it becomes akin to fascism.

Anyone remember the trouble over the animated 'Creature Comforts' ad that featured a family of talking Orangutans ? Some politically correct pressure groups said it was racist and insulting to black people !?! Surely, those people must have been racist to have seen any possible similarity between animated plasticene Orangutans and black people.

I just thought it was another amusing ad - following on from the tortoise and penguins etc

With pleasure...
X81
24/10/2001 at 16:35
TWPD wrote



My bro lives in Leyton, London. He applied for a house in a nearby newly developed housing association estate...all dead smart stuff...only to be told that it was for Asians only!!!!!! WTF is going on...could U C us getting away with a whites-only estate? Of course not.



That's what i mean, now i feel that this creates more hostile feelings and leads to the ghetto situation which only feuls the thing it is trying to stamp out.

If you voiced this to your local councill you would be branded racist

Mr nobody

jif
24/10/2001 at 16:35
Dumb Ape wrote

I've heard tales of the way you treat your Biatches - you pimpy person .... starving them of chocolate .... degrading them themselves with a lemon .... and other assorted horrors not very PC in itself m8




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Gruntie
24/10/2001 at 16:36
X81 wrote




Just wondering if it has all got out of hand over the last 15 years or so to a point where some of us are over sensitive to it.

For instance a disabled person doesn't want you to molly coddle them, yet your concsience tells you to help them with everything cos they can't cope, you don't want to seem rude and nasty to said disabled person so you over compensate and try to help more, resulting in pissing them off more than if you just ignored the disability,it's the same kind of thing.

FWIW My mum is disabled so i have a bit of experience of this.


I know what you mean my ex-partner was disabled. Disability is a dificult to deal with in pc terms for this reason.

My partners dream was to be able to ask for help and get it but without a fuss and without pity.

PC may well have got out of hand but it is better than nothing
see riceburners comments

Gruntie
jif
24/10/2001 at 16:39
I agree wiv Huggy, As a plod that werks in an area with a large proportion of Asians, These people get a far better standard of treatment than White people... As police we have to (as dictated to by the powers that be) give them a higher level of service investigating their complaints

And most of the Asians dont want it, they just want to be treated the same as everyone else

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tufty
24/10/2001 at 16:44
TWPD wrote



We need to be aware of the sensitivities of other races, religions, creeds and nations because understanding can help to prevent warfare and suffering. However, there are times when I really do think it has gone far too far.



I wonder if PC is an extension of Christian teachings that takes compassion for our fellow human beings to the n th degree. It's generally agreed that PC originated in the US which is a strongly Christian country.

Personally I feel that PC has arisen from a situation whereby people feel compelled to combine their concept of compassion for those they consider to be less fortunate than themselves with their interpretation of what constitutes social justice. If you elevate people by accentuating their race/creed/sexuality etc you will remove the stigma previously attached to them and improve their lot and standing in life. So goes the theory.

In practice, it doesn't matter what label you pin to people, PC is a fundamental denial of reality and a refusal to accept the truth. I'm feeling a bit "undernourished" today because I skipped breakfast and had a sarnie for lunch. It doesn't put me in the same league as "undernourished" people in the Third World.

The danger of PC is that, by refusing to confront reality, we will not change situations that are within our power to change.
ChopstickJim
24/10/2001 at 16:47
its all crap
if you cant call a whiteman a peckerwood or a blackman a nigger or a chinese a chink without upsetting people its a sad state of affairs, Ive been all over the world and been subjected to racial slurs in many parts of the world, if you smile and agree with a nod, people loose the racial tension and in the end they will sit down for a drink/dinner and have a laff, then the cultural exchange will begin, it doesnt take long to realise we are all humans but live in different ways which is the spice of life, not the destruction of life

someone slap me... that was a serious post
Big_Daddy
24/10/2001 at 16:49
TWPD wrote

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My bro lives in Leyton, London. He applied for a house in a nearby newly developed housing association estate...all dead smart stuff...only to be told that it was for Asians only!!!!!! WTF is going on...could U C us getting away with a whites-only estate? Of course not.



I thought there was a law against racial discrimination in this country. If any HA is doing this, they could be prosecuted. Did your bro have a witness or anything in writing? I guess not, otherwise he could have got very shitty with them.
Big_Daddy
24/10/2001 at 16:52
ChopstickJim wrote

its all crap
if you cant call a whiteman a peckerwood or a blackman a nigger or a chinese a chink without upsetting people its a sad state of affairs, Ive been all over the world and been subjected to racial slurs in many parts of the world, if you smile and agree with a nod, people loose the racial tension and in the end they will sit down for a drink/dinner and have a laff, then the cultural exchange will begin, it doesnt take long to realise we are all humans but live in different ways which is the spice of life, not the destruction of life

someone slap me... that was a serious post


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jif
24/10/2001 at 16:52
ChopstickJim wrote

its all crap
if you cant call a whiteman a peckerwood or a blackman a nigger or a chinese a chink without upsetting people its a sad state of affairs, Ive been all over the world and been subjected to racial slurs in many parts of the world, if you smile and agree with a nod, people loose the racial tension and in the end they will sit down for a drink/dinner and have a laff, then the cultural exchange will begin, it doesnt take long to realise we are all humans but live in different ways which is the spice of life, not the destruction of life

someone slap me... that was a serious post


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24/10/2001 at 16:53
Big_Daddy wrote



I thought there was a law against racial discrimination in this country. If any HA is doing this, they could be prosecuted. Did your bro have a witness or anything in writing? I guess not, otherwise he could have got very shitty with them.


Yup...his partner was witness but, I'm sure that the HA has a very well-thought out way of circumventing this legislation. There's all sorts of ways of being racist without actually making it look like UR being so. Personally, I didn't believe him until he took me to the estate in question for a look around...spot the white man? I don't think so!
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