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choc-ice

16/06/2005 at 08:08

20mph faster than the other traffic, but I can't seem to make my brain obey the sensible cut off point of 50 or 60mph.

There's a spot on the M1 just past the M25 where there's 3 lanes of slow moving traffic and dead straight for about a mile. It's like seeing your own little road between lanes 2 and 3 and it's completely empty

This is probably where I'll die

Ava_Banana

16/06/2005 at 08:25

I filter at speeds I am happy doing........I don't tend to look down much to see how fast I am doing, I just try to be as smooth as possible. 100+ is not uncommon.......I want to get where I am going.........and I want to enjoy it as much as possible on the way.........

..however....

...and this is the killer...

.....the bit of naughtiness that gives us all a bad name....

..........that feeling of splitting cars at twice the national limit on a motorway or dual carriageway........

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.....sorry

....sometimes it is just so hard not to do.......I try to think about why....and I sometimes try to justify it by saying that it is safer to split than to wait for one car to get ahead of the other and change lanes.....

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byker28i

16/06/2005 at 08:27

It all depends really on whether you feel the cars around you have noticed you.

When the traffic has stopped, almost stopped then I'll take the most care, possibly only 10-15mph more, as it's then that the ignorant b&stards don't use mirrors etc.

I usually commute at around 85mph, 70mph is when I start thinking about filtering past if the traffics backing up, or if I just want to get past some real annoying twat.

But always I make sure I think the other people around me have seen what I'm doing.

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16/06/2005 at 09:06

Does anybody else here fold the mirrors in when filtering?
Does "clack-clack-clack" mean I may be cutting it a little too close?

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MildMatt

16/06/2005 at 09:11

If I feel happy and safe doing it, and I won't cause any cars surrounding me to move to accomodate my filtering [as in "whooo, where'd that bike come from, oh shit, *swerve*], I'll do it. I used to not bother over 40mph. But recently I've been doing it at 60-70.

BlackKnight

16/06/2005 at 09:34

Whoa everybody

What DS is describing is not 'filtering' - it's 'overtaking'

Filtering is where the traffic is stationary or 'not significantly moving' (cant remenber the words exactly, they were on a thread about a month ago).

Slalom style overtaking of traffic moving as a body over, say, 20ish is:

Not legal - well no biggie there

Any incident would be 'our fault' insurance wise - that matters

Incidents are far more likely cos the damn cagers have got some manouvering speed on and can change lanes in a heartbeat

It does piss-off a great deal of people - does that matter? to you?

So, we have legal, personal safety (yours that is) and PR issues to consider.
Who does the warp-speed inside-overtakes and who doesn't isn't quite the point.

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choc-ice

16/06/2005 at 09:39

BlackKnight wrote

Whoa everybody

What DS is describing is not 'filtering' - it's 'overtaking'

Filtering is where the traffic is stationary or 'not significantly moving' (cant remenber the words exactly, they were on a thread about a month ago).

Slalom style overtaking of traffic moving as a body over, say, 20ish is:

Not legal - well no biggie there

Weaving in and out is frowned upon, but are you saying filtering isn't allowed past 20mph? Stinky bait to me, but the numerous police cars I've passed at 40mph haven't had a problem

RiceBurner

16/06/2005 at 09:44

BlackKnight wrote

Whoa everybody

What DS is describing is not 'filtering' - it's 'overtaking'

Filtering is where the traffic is stationary or 'not significantly moving' (cant remenber the words exactly, they were on a thread about a month ago).

Slalom style overtaking of traffic moving as a body over, say, 20ish is:

Not legal - well no biggie there
Any incident would be 'our fault' insurance wise - that matters
Incidents are far more likely cos the damn cagers have got some manouvering speed on and can change lanes in a heartbeat
It does piss-off a great deal of people - does that matter? to you?

So, we have legal, personal safety (yours that is) and PR issues to consider.
Who does the warp-speed inside-overtakes and who doesn't isn't quite the point.

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scottland

16/06/2005 at 09:49

If you didn't weave in and out on the A2 out of London, you'd never get anywhere and slow all the rest of the thousands of bikes down who do it every day!!

I tend not to do it once I'm out past the Black Prince interchange though and almost never on the M2....although having said that, in my despatching days back in the 80's, did chase a bloke on a z1300 up the M2 towards London at about 130 or so on my Ninja...like the scene in the Matrix Reloaded...INCREDIBLY stupid, but quite possibly one of the most exhilirating things I've ever done on a bike!!

Tend not to do it too much on the M25 these days either...just cos' I don't wanna get nicked really!!

In stationary traffic, whatever feels safe, depending on forward view and size of gap!!

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BlackKnight

16/06/2005 at 09:53

choc-ice wrote

Weaving in and out is frowned upon, but are you saying filtering isn't allowed past 20mph? Stinky bait to me, but the numerous police cars I've passed at 40mph haven't had a problem

Choc-ice
I did a search on filtering but there is sooo much...
Somewhere on VD there is chapter and verse on the legalities - up to you whether you comply but I feel strongly that we should know our position (as with plates/cans/visors) so we know when we are streeeetching things a bit

Found this as a practical guide.

Think there was a DiRE article on this last year, traffic cops were asked about filtering/overtaking, as a rule, if you were'nt taking the piss they wouldn't 'see' you but otherwise it's a pull - Mr T, F and others to comment please?

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Pussyhorse

16/06/2005 at 09:57

Do the M4 every day from J10 into Laaandan.

Filtering technique depends on weather, traffic conditions, mood etc.

Try to strike a balance between safety and progress.

Recently I've seen quite a few complete dobbers who wave their fists or swear at car drivers who don't instantly move over to let them through, while being totally oblivious to the bike up their chuff for the last few miles which would like past.

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kneeslider

16/06/2005 at 10:17

I fail to see how the actions on a motorway at high speed are regarded as filtering. you are either overtaking or undertaking.
My interpretation of filtering is riding in the middle between two lanes of slow moving traffic.
This incidentally is prefectly legal provided you are doing less than 30mph.

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BlackKnight

16/06/2005 at 10:48

kneeslider wrote

I fail to see how the actions on a motorway at high speed are regarded as filtering. you are either overtaking or undertaking.
My interpretation of filtering is riding in the middle between two lanes of slow moving traffic.
This incidentally is prefectly legal provided you are doing less than 30mph.

KS
I'll agree that, we're just after some clarification of exact speeds and situations that are OK - even undertaking is legal in the right context.

Searched the .gov sites to no avail so far but found

This

and this

as practical advice

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Bad Devotions

16/06/2005 at 11:19

Pussyhorse wrote

Do the M4 every day from J10 into Laaandan.

Filtering technique depends on weather, traffic conditions, mood etc.

Try to strike a balance between safety and progress.

Recently I've seen quite a few complete dobbers who wave their fists or swear at car drivers who don't instantly move over to let them through, while being totally oblivious to the bike up their chuff for the last few miles which would like past.

Ooo what bike you on? I go from west london to Bracknell. Sometimes go past legoland, or through windsor park, or sometimes M4.

I tend to filter if I feel it's safe for me to do so. Sometimes, if I am in a hurry I'll be a bit more bonkers and go faster - not especially safe or clever, but like scottland says, quite possibly the most exhilirating thing one can do on a bike.

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16/06/2005 at 11:19

choc-ice wrote

20mph faster than the other traffic, but I can't seem to make my brain obey the sensible cut off point of 50 or 60mph. There's a spot on the M1 just past the M25 where there's 3 lanes of slow moving traffic and dead straight for about a mile. It's like seeing your own little road between lanes 2 and 3 and it's completely empty This is probably where I'll die

I slow right down for that bit...way too many opportunities to get crunched. 30-40 tops.

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JamJar

16/06/2005 at 11:23

Pussyhorse wrote

Do the M4 every day from J10 into Laaandan.

Filtering technique depends on weather, traffic conditions, mood etc.

Try to strike a balance between safety and progress.

Recently I've seen quite a few complete dobbers who wave their fists or swear at car drivers who don't instantly move over to let them through, while being totally oblivious to the bike up their chuff for the last few miles which would like past.

I do J10 to J7 every morning. Don't shake my fist at anyone though, as on that stretch, it is easy to get by.

Pussyhorse

16/06/2005 at 14:02

Bad Devotions wrote

Ooo what bike you on? I go from west london to Bracknell. Sometimes go past legoland, or through windsor park, or sometimes M4.

You're in UB3? I've recently moved from Southall to Bracknell. A wise move I thought.

I'm on a crappy beat up red, white and blue Africa Twin.

Going in I use the M4 all the way. Coming home I come off a j6 and go through the park.

JamJar wrote

I do J10 to J7 every morning. Don't shake my fist at anyone though, as on that stretch, it is easy to get by.

You got an orange storm? Seen one of them getting off at j7 a few times. Usually see the fist waving crap once it turns into the A4 in town.

Anyone else seen the guy on the pan with all the police style reflective gear with 'pianist' written on the back? Whassatallabhaat?

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JamJar

16/06/2005 at 14:27

Pussyhorse wrote

You got an orange storm? Seen one of them getting off at j7 a few times. Usually see the fist waving crap once it turns into the A4 in town.

No, blue and white GSXR600, I probably get on later than you, beteween 7:45 and 8:00.

RiceBurner

16/06/2005 at 14:32

lynw wrote

accept what I do isnt legal and take as much care as I can and make sure Im absolutely certain that its safe to go through. Tend to be when cars are side by side as this minimises the risk of them changing lanes.

but ime, the slower the traffic the more likely there is to be an incident. ime on the m20/m25/a2 in cars which are travelling at speed tend not to change lane so much as theyre making progress.

its when the speed drops and impatience sets in that I find the lane changes increase. if a gap opens up cos the lane next to a cager has moved 2ft they feel the need to move 2ft on and must be in that gap So as the traffic speed drops do does mine considerably down to a be able to stop speed in anticipation for that lane change without mirror check.

what he said - the dangerous time for unpredictable behaviour is when fast traffic is suddenly slowing - or it's been nigh-on, but not quite, stationary for more than a couple of minutes. (ime).