denim and riding... safe, not safe?

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Tricky

15/08/2002 at 14:11

Reets wrote

Amazing Tricky, I've seen references here to your lack of humour as well, recently. Maybe you left it on Mars?

That'll be from other people who missed the joke.

If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs, it's just possible you haven't grasped the situation.
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adx

15/08/2002 at 14:18

DefTrap wrote

I would and do, however, wear full kit when I'm out and about or attempting to ride fast - the rest of the time I'll take my chances thankyouverymuch.

agreed!

Bod

15/08/2002 at 14:23

adx wrote

agreed!

can we agree to DISAGREE ???

when are we getting the sequal to "Are you wearing PANTS george" ????

tufty

15/08/2002 at 14:27

silentmemory wrote

You're looking at 0.2 - 0.5 seconds to hole denim jeans, compared to 18 seconds for two layers of 1.3mm leather, for the same speed (Source).

Get your denim-clad leg trapped under your bike in a slide and it's toast. That's even more true if you're pinned to the deck by a hot exhaust pipe.

I would have stopped to ask the bloke with the ZX6 who was underneath a tipper truck on Chelsea Bridge this morning about his preference for protective clothing were it not for the fact that he was already dead.

All a bit fucking academic really isn't it?

adx

15/08/2002 at 14:29

tufty wrote

I would have stopped to ask the bloke with the ZX6 who was underneath a tipper truck on Chelsea Bridge this morning about his preference for protective clothing were it not for the fact that he was already dead.

All a bit fucking academic really isn't it?

of course we are all assuming just SLIDING along the road....

good point tufty!

silentmemory

15/08/2002 at 14:55

tufty wrote

I would have stopped to ask the bloke with the ZX6 who was underneath a tipper truck on Chelsea Bridge this morning about his preference for protective clothing were it not for the fact that he was already dead.

All a bit fucking academic really isn't it?

To him it is, but not to anyone who's hoping to survive such an incident.

My ex's dad went under a truck on a bike whilst wearing denims, he actually died from blood loss. The coroner concluded he would most probably have lived if he'd been wearing good quality leathers which could have prevented his legs from getting mangled as they reversed the truck off him.

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adx

15/08/2002 at 15:00

silentmemory wrote

To him it is, but not to anyone who's hoping to survive such an incident.

My ex's dad went under a truck on a bike whilst wearing denims, he actually died from blood loss. The coroner concluded he would most probably have lived if he'd been wearing good quality leathers which could have prevented his legs from getting mangled as they reversed the truck off him.

feck! thats aweful SM...

Scooby

15/08/2002 at 15:08

I wear jeans to work, about 8 miles each way in the stick, also it we are popping into town to the cinema - but that's the affect of riding an old man's bike for you.

If I were to get fully leathered up I prolly wouldn't bother using the bike for a journey lasting less than 15 mins.

I know it's not clever - but 10 mins changing each end - I'd end up using the car.

Longer runs etc - different bike - full leathers.

haydn

15/08/2002 at 15:12

silentmemory wrote

My ex's dad went under a truck on a bike whilst wearing denims, he actually died from blood loss. The coroner concluded he would most probably have lived if he'd been wearing good quality leathers which could have prevented his legs from getting mangled as they reversed the truck off him.

With respect Silent, if someone goes 'under a truck', they'd be lucky to survive whatever they're wearing.

My brother went head-first into a Landrover Discovery. In spite of his Arai lid, Knox back protector & Spidi leathers he was still dead before he hit the floor. The coroner didn't mention the clothing/equipment.

Caz

15/08/2002 at 15:35

My journey to work is about 4 miles. I still wear full gear to go to and from work, including back protector. A car could pull out on me the minute I pull away from the house, a kid could run out and I could come off while trying to stop, etc etc etc. Just cos its a short journey DOES NOT mean that there is less likelihood of coming off. A friend of mine came off on his 5 min journey to Tesco's, he was wearing jeans and trainers and although it was a low speed spill his leg and ankle was still pretty bad.
The amount of 'biker down' type threads on here recently has been most alarming. A friend of mine and Rics came off yesterday, he is currently in hospital being operated on for 3 chipped vertebra and a split pelvis, he also has a broken hand and thumb. I don't know the details of the accident but what I do know is that he is a good and careful rider - you can be the best rider on the planet but without being telepathic or being able to see into the future you just cannot say that you aren't going to come off - car drivers are renowned for being blind after all!
Of course, if you feel okay wearing less than full protective gear then it is your choice.
I appreciate that in some cases that people have illustrated here even the use of full leathers and the best helmet etc will not save you but they at least give you a fighting chance of surviving.

rant over

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suzuki-boy

15/08/2002 at 17:05

haydn wrote

With respect Silent, if someone goes 'under a truck', they'd be lucky to survive whatever they're wearing.

With respect Haydn, that's not what it says in RIDE this month.

(BTW had no idea about your bro' mate :sad: )

suzuki-boy

15/08/2002 at 17:09

tufty wrote

I would have stopped to ask the bloke with the ZX6 who was underneath a tipper truck on Chelsea Bridge this morning about his preference for protective clothing were it not for the fact that he was already dead.

All a bit fucking academic really isn't it?

Feck! Are you alright mate?

Adam K

15/08/2002 at 19:09

well, as people probably know, yesterday i had a little accident and was wearing jeans. they did hole, but i was just grazed. i have also had another accident in jeans and it really does take chunks out of your knees.

then again i was wearing a protective jacket and i have cuts and friction burns on my arms and elbows.

after this experience i will be wearing leathers every time i go out.

both times i've crashed in jeans i have not slid, but i have still come out with injuries. i would hate to think what would happen if i slid up the road in jeans.

plus i messed up £50 worth of levis twisted jeans

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Dodgy Geezer

15/08/2002 at 19:15

Generally what Tomcat and Deftrap said. And sympathy to tufty & Haydn

Fallen off in jeans a few times, never got badly injured. I can believe all the stuff quoted about rate of abrasion, but for how long does the average slide last?

My last two smacks, I've lowsided at 30mph, I don't reckon the slide lasted longer than a second in either case. And I was nowhere near getting trapped under the bike, either. I'm sure that can happen but I reckon it's pretty rare

Course, if you want to improve the odds, wear all your gear all the time

FWIW, I shall be leaving the house in about 45 minutes to go elsewhere and won't be putting leathers on

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Adam K

15/08/2002 at 19:22

Dodgy Geezer wrote

FWIW, I shall be leaving the house in about 45 minutes to go elsewhere and won't be putting leathers on

you daredevil

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silentmemory

15/08/2002 at 22:13

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dodgy Geezer
I've lowsided at 30mph, I don't reckon the slide lasted longer than a second in either case. And I was nowhere near getting trapped under the bike, either. I'm sure that can happen but I reckon it's pretty rare

Well it happened to me at around 30mph, my leg was pinned for the duration of the slide and wore a few mm off the toe slider on my boot and through one layer of my 1.4mm leather jeans at the knee. I've also got two female friends who were both trapped under their bikes in denim jeans and required skin grafts to their legs.

Granted, full kit may not save you every time, but it will increase your chances of being uninjured, and that's good enough for me to wear it every time.

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Scooby

16/08/2002 at 06:40

silentmemory wrote

Well it happened to me at around 30mph, my leg was pinned for the duration of the slide

I've also got two female friends who were both trapped under their bikes in denim jeans and required skin grafts to their legs.

I think this is the advantages of riding on tracks especially the MX stuff - teaches you crashing, kicking the bike away.

I reckon it comes as a big shock to the average newbie first time a bike goes down, wouldn't surprise me if the reaction was to freeze or to cling on to the bars.

More shocking than that - SM you have friends

ScootaBoy

16/08/2002 at 06:47

I base what I wear on the weather, how far I'm going & what I'm doing when I get there....

Always wear gloves & either a leather bike jacket or an armoured/kevlar riding jacket.

Don't wear a 1 piece leather suit (not on a Vespa!) but wear leather trousers that zip to the leather jacket, leather jeans (as a" better than denim" when proper leathers aren't pratical) or sometimes jeans/combats or work trouser.

Always wear either 11 hole DMs, Cat boots or proper biker boots (again depending on where I'm off to)..

So, all in all I guess I'm usually pretty well covered (apart from my legs at times).......

silentmemory

16/08/2002 at 07:47

Originally posted by Scooby
I think this is the advantages of riding on tracks especially the MX stuff - teaches you crashing, kicking the bike away.

No time, it either lands on you or it doesn't. And once you're pinned to the hip under a 30st bike, you ain't kicking it nowhere.

More shocking than that - SM you have friends