DAS training

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10/08/2005 at 11:51
Hi guys and Gals,
well i have been a bit bike made for a few years and thought it was about time to do something about it. So training time then...

Is the standard lessons way or the DAS way better on the whole? Also can you hire bikes and the gear for both or only the bike? Anyone know any good schools near Bham?

Cheers
Rob

Cheers
Rob

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10/08/2005 at 11:52
mines a pint. ta.

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10/08/2005 at 11:55
Hello newbie, you're suppose to buy everyone a round of drinks...

Learning to ride a bike goes like this...

Compulsory Basic Training (CBT)

This is a 1-2 day course that contains five elements that by law must be completed. Four of the elements are done off road on our training ground and get you familiansed with your bike and its controls, and gets you to a basic competence for the 2 hour road ride which is the final element, at the end of which you will be given your certificate (DL196), which entitles you to ride on the public highway with €œL€ plates on a 125cc machine or less. This is only issued if your instructor is satisfied that you have reached the basic level to be safe on the road.

Approx:
£78.00 on own bike
£93.00 on training school bike

Practical Tests

Restricted License Training (for people under 21)

This is done on either our bike or your own and is generally done on a one to one basis, but if two trainees are at the same level you will be put together and can compare your own skills with some-one else's. You will be trained to test standard, which is more in depth than the CBT course and will take in all aspects of riding. You will take your test on a 125cc machine and after passing you will be restricted to a 33bhp bike for 2 years after which you can ride any cc bike, no further test is required.

Approx:
£15.00 per hour on own bike
£20.00 per hour on their bike

Direct Access Training (DAS)

This is essentially the same as 125cc training. You are usually put you on to a 125cc machine for the first 2-3 lessons to get all the basic observations, life savers and road positioning into place, then move you on to the DAS bike (Honda CBF500/CB500). For your first lesson you will be familiarised with the bike, weight, brakes and acceleration before going on the road. Your test will be taken on the Das bike after which you can ride any cc machine. Please note you CANNOT ride a big bike on the road with €œL€ plates unless you are accompanied by a qualified instructor and in radio contact. (You must be over 21 to start taking lessons for a DAS test)

About:
£30.00 per hour on their bike*

*You can not ride a DAS motorcycle on the public roads with 'L' plates unless accompanied by a fully qualified instructor and in radio contact.
This is for those people that after their test want to hone their skills and become a better rider. It takes a more in depth approach to general riding i.e. cornering, over taking, motorways and probably the most important how to enjoy your machine.

The cost of the lesson includes the hire of the bike. The instructor will probably have helmets/jackets/gloves for you to wear, but you should check first.

Now, which one do you want to do? 125 or 500?

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10/08/2005 at 12:06
Well as i have not even been pillion (pause for abuse) I have been told both way would work best for me by diffrent people.

one lot say that a 125 for someone who is used to cars is a massive change and the other lot say why start half arsed when im 26 and not getting any younger.

As i already have a hated for lawn mower and bee noise i was thinking DAS. but then it gets to intensive or dam weeklys.

never easy hey! lol

cheers
rob

Cheers
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10/08/2005 at 12:15
lustate wrote
As i already have a hated for lawn mower and bee noise i was thinking DAS.


You want to get yourself a nice little parallel twin 125 - no waspy noises there. Something like a Honda CM or a Suzuki SR.

I'm 31 and did my DAS in May after spending a full year on a 125. You'll get some valuable experience on the smaller bike before moving up to the 500+
10/08/2005 at 12:17
I had never ridden a bike prior to my current one, other than scooters on holidays.

I had 10 1 hour lessons and 10 1 hour practise sessions spread over 3 months or so. 5 on a 125 and 5 on a 500. I did 1 lesson on a 125 one week, then practised on the said 125 the next week and did that 5 times. I then did the same with the 500; 1 lesson on the 500 one week and then practise on the 125 the next.

The only time my instructor mentioned the test was the very last lesson. All the training was based on, if you can ride safely, you can pass your test. It was only on the last day did he mention, doing a u-turn, doing an emergency stop and answering questions about taking a pillion. By that time I had it all sussed.

It was expensive and lenghty, but I had no previous experience and for me was the best way to get my full license. I passed first time and then bought a cbr600 .

If you've never been on a bike then doing a 3-5 day DAS is a bad idea IMO.

Now where's my pint?

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10/08/2005 at 12:25
Will pop a pint in the post. jiffy bag should hold it...

Cheers
Rob

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10/08/2005 at 12:41
Fuck 125s. Do your test on a 500 and buy a proper bike.

10/08/2005 at 13:01
well i wont be buying a 125 either way!

Suzuki Bandit 600cc would be my choice when i passed. not to big not to small and from what i have been told about the right weight for me.

Cheers
Rob

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10/08/2005 at 14:04
qwerty wrote
Fuck 125s. Do your test on a 500 and buy a proper bike.



same here i got straight on a 600 after my test(s)
Loz
10/08/2005 at 14:07
Yep, me too. Went straight from DA test to GSXR750.

Best piece of advice I got from a biking mate was this:
You could get a sensible bike and then get bored of it, or you could get a proper bike and then get used to it.

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10/08/2005 at 14:10
Definately a Brummie...


Try these http://www.fast-trak.co.uk/

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10/08/2005 at 14:12
lustate wrote
well i wont be buying a 125 either way!

Suzuki Bandit 600cc would be my choice when i passed. not to big not to small and from what i have been told about the right weight for me.


good choice of first big bike but I am biased as I had one

welcome aboard bottle of Becks ta

Get yourself in the Survival Skills section of this site for some advice on the route you wish to take but personally, I would go for DAS rather than spend a year on the 125. I spent 6 months on a 125 but as Scarver would say, practice makes permanent, not necessarily perfect

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10/08/2005 at 14:19
Just called up about doing my DAS, now I have to find when I can get a Monday off work.
10/08/2005 at 15:45
there,s
street bike mucklow hill halesowen they offer lots of courses fast trac
or staff rider training in tamworth
the later are up a bassetts pole every tuesday have a chat to them its who the
g/f is going with yes i,m a brummie too and mines a stella :burnout: :burnout:

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10/08/2005 at 15:48
Don't know how far you want to travel, but BikeWise in Stafford are a good school.

Personally I went for DAS, and I did find the bigger bike felt much more stable than the 125 we pootled about on for the CBT.

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10/08/2005 at 16:39
lustate wrote
Suzuki Bandit 600cc would be my choice
Good choice, insurance won't be too bad either.

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SG#77
15/08/2005 at 22:44
I have read this thread with great interest, I have rode a 125 Auto Scooter for 5 years now, unless I finally do something about it I will end up doing my CBT yet again next March and keep putting off the Direct Access.

The thing is I have never rode a geared bike, and to be honest I'd love to buy a bigger bike, but I'd like some time to get used to the gears, is there a seperate training day or should I do CBT again and then Direct Access?

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15/08/2005 at 23:04
Mines a pint of Vodka thanks..........

My advice would be.

1. CBT

2. At least 6 months on a 125 (Yep boring but gain 2 wheel experiance first)

3. DAS as it will be much easier/better if you have done at least 1,500 miles on a 2 wheels.

4. If you pass DAS keep the 600 Bandit for at least 2 years before going for anything bigger.

I have seen to many mates go straight in to a DAS then go out and buy a Blackbird/Busa/Bandit12 and leave it sitting in the garage because they do not have the experiance to enjoy the ride.... So get bored very quickly.

Learn to ride something small that you can enjoy thrashing the nuts off of and gradually upgrade as your experience gives you confidence. That way you will enjoy the ride and not be bogged down by trying to control the beast.

:smoke:

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15/08/2005 at 23:07
oldgezzer wrote
Mines a pint of Vodka thanks..........

My advice would be.

1. CBT

2. At least 6 months on a 125 (Yep boring but gain 2 wheel experiance first)

3. DAS as it will be much easier/better if you have done at least 1,500 miles on a 2 wheels.

4. If you pass DAS keep the 600 Bandit for at least 2 years before going for anything bigger.

I have seen to many mates go straight in to a DAS then go out and buy a Blackbird/Busa/Bandit12 and leave it sitting in the garage because they do not have the experiance to enjoy the ride.... So get bored very quickly.

Learn to ride something small that you can enjoy thrashing the nuts off of and gradually upgrade as your experience gives you confidence. That way you will enjoy the ride and not be bogged down by trying to control the beast.

:smoke:



Utter shite. DAS then straight onto a big bike.




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