Bikers allowed to run red lights

surely a motorcyclist is capable of making his or her own descission on whether a junction is safe to cross. Bikers realise how dangerous road conditions are a lot more than car drivers do.

kwikkwak1971 wrote (see)

surely a motorcyclist is capable of making his or her own descission on whether a junction is safe to cross. Bikers realise how dangerous road conditions are a lot more than car drivers do.

I disagree.

Get side swiped by a 40mph truck in a car and it hurts just as much as on a bike. 

It only takes a piece of metal at the bottom of the bike to trigger the lights. I think letting bikers decide for themselves spells trouble. The majority of bikers will be sensible about it but they have their share of chavs in the States.

What utter pants!

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/martynlewins/?action=view&current=newcool.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>

Backmarker Racing UK  Backmarker Racing Forum Sponsor Backmarker Racing in 2009!

EMRA 2009 Championship #312 :: 175-1300cc Novice, Solo 175-1300cc, Buildbase Mallory Trophy ::

Never, a totally bad idea and one which only serves to cause legal confusion.

(besides, being a CBR owner, sometimes it's nice to be able to stop and straighten up for a second)

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/martynlewins/?action=view&current=newcool.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>

Backmarker Racing UK  Backmarker Racing Forum Sponsor Backmarker Racing in 2009!

EMRA 2009 Championship #312 :: 175-1300cc Novice, Solo 175-1300cc, Buildbase Mallory Trophy ::

I think it's a great idea.

Can I also suggest bikes are exempt from not overtaking on solid lines? As bikes can massively out accelerate the cars the solid white lines were designed for.

And speed limts, I'd like to be exempt from them too. On safety grounds of course.,

It happens to me in Hinckley when I'm on morning shifts sometimes. Theres nobody else about and the bloody lights just wont change. I either have to wait for a car to turn up or go through a red. I have been sat there for about 3-4 minutes before with nobody else on the crossroads, then somebody pulls up at the junction and their lights turn green before mine do. It's very annoying.

I did think of something really cool to write here........but then I forgot what it was.

kwikkwak1971 wrote (see)

surely a motorcyclist is capable of making his or her own descission on whether a junction is safe to cross. Bikers realise how dangerous road conditions are a lot more than car drivers do.

I believe kwikkwak may have made his comment referring to the general state of alertness to danger of the average car driver being lower than that of the average biker (i.e. cagers are less attentive).

IMO i'd agree, but this is probably largely because they all seem to have a particular preference for aiming their ton of projectile metal weapon at me

Big Nige wrote (see)

kwikkwak1971 wrote (see)

surely a motorcyclist is capable of making his or her own descission on whether a junction is safe to cross. Bikers realise how dangerous road conditions are a lot more than car drivers do.

I disagree.

Get side swiped by a 40mph truck in a car and it hurts just as much as on a bike. 

I can't think of anything to put here.

Totally disagree how can it be safe to proceed with caution if you can't see what's coming in the first place?

Is it true in the early hours if you put your stand down when your waiting at a red they will change?

and what would happen if another motorcyclist was crossing your path at the same set of lights!!!!!!

let the insurance comps sort that out.

giggsy wrote (see)

Totally disagree how can it be safe to proceed with caution if you can't see what's coming in the first place?

Think the idea is only at junctions where you can see its clear, bit like turning right on a red, cages are allowed to do that as well

giggsy wrote (see)

Is it true in the early hours if you put your stand down when your waiting at a red they will change?

Tried that before and it still doesn't work at some places and if the sensor is damaged then you will sit for ages

Road Pirate wrote (see)

I think it's a great idea.

Can I also suggest bikes are exempt from not overtaking on solid lines? As bikes can massively out accelerate the cars the solid white lines were designed for.

And speed limts, I'd like to be exempt from them too. On safety grounds of course.,

I thought you could overtake cars when there is a solid line - as long as you don't cross or straddle it..........

(thats what I was taught 3 months ago)

IMHO, they've got to sort the sensors out, only takes one of those big juggernauts speeding and..........(doesn't bear thinking about) 

I would also like to be exempt from speed limits - PLEASE 

Mr Marv wrote (see)

The only lights i ignore are the roadwork ones where you can blatently see the other side and theres nothing coming.. But im sure your allowed to do that anyway.. I dunno..

AC wrote (see)

It only takes a piece of metal at the bottom of the bike to trigger the lights. I think letting bikers decide for themselves spells trouble. The majority of bikers will be sensible about it but they have their share of chavs in the States.

Sometimes. There is a set on my commute that doesn't detect me, and i either have to sit and wait for a nice obliging car to join the queue, or see (and you CAN see, pretty much 200yds) if it is safe and decide to run through.

 I think there are two sides to every story, and on this one it might just be that the cameras can't work out who the bikes are without our plate on the front, and so they don't want the stats of failed-to-find-the-jumper - solution? make it legal for them to jump.

Problem would be the insurance side - you would have to say that the biker would be automatically at fault, but the what-ifs about speeding cars, no lights and all sorts means it gets complicated.

Why not just get rid of all traffic rules for everyone.

Not quite sure how you can just claim that bikes are Ok to run red lights -  having seen that this is a yank initiative, they already have the OK for all vehicles turning right at lights to go through on red in a lot of states - fucking stupid idea.

Did you ever hear anyone say “That picture had better be banned, because I might look at it and it might be very damaging to me”