Biker gang fear forces bike show cancellation

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Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 16:34

They're a fucking joke.

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Mr.Tony

19/08/2008 at 16:57

Herr Brunstrom and his stormtroopers are a bunch of wankers.

the police are supposed to help people go about their law abiding business
not stop them by using some trumped up crime and disorder excuses.
i guess what it comes down to is he doesn't want thousands of lawless, speeding, wheely popping, noisy, smelly bikers on HIS roads.

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 17:03

It's power trip revenge for bikers giving him a bad name. How many 'biker gangs' are there really in North Wales? I don't hear about them on the news much...

My sister is a copper and she's awesome. In London they have police events and protests with FAR more chance or crime and violence yet it goes ahead without a blink. That's why they're there: to police the matter.

I wonder if they're going to cancel Notting Hill Carnival??? Loads of crime there every year..

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Mansie125

19/08/2008 at 17:06

Was there any disorder last year? Probably not. I suspect that Wales police has forced them to cancel it because they do not like to have any bikers coming to Wales and riding in Wales. Rather than acting on "intelligence" about gang rivalry, I suspect the North Wales Police have a (secret) anti-biker policy in place to prevent any biker gatherings. So the event was cancelled because of "orders from above". Anyone sees the hand of Brunstrom in this?

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 17:15

I know it sounds a bit trite and melodramatic but if this carries on in the years to come, there's inevitably going to be some sort of uprising. We're being told what we can and can't do more and more and personally i find it sickening.

What if there was an unofficial 'rideout' to Wales instead? They surely can't stop road users entering the area if it's in an 'unofficial capacity'. It's not like the roads would be closed.. Imagine if every biker who was going to go, just turned up anyway everytime an event was cancelled; they'd soon have to just shut up and start policing the events rather than cancelling them.

Anyone know anyone who could advertise the 'rideout' that just happens to be at exactly the same time this event was going to be?

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Mansie125

19/08/2008 at 17:15

Sorry lads, was typing and didn't see your posts. Same sentiment really. About biker gangs, maybe the North Wales Police have taken the Freebird movie too seriously?

I think that many a premiership footbal match has a potential for violence and disorder and they do not get cancelled.

What is particularly gutting is that the police cancels the show at the last minute, when many of the bills are paid, contracts signed, tents ordered etc. so a big financial outlay has already been made by the organisers. All they needed was people through the gate to get back their investment. Now they could face financial ruin. If the police had cancelled the show in January then this would not have happened. It seems a deliberate vindicative action by the police to cause financial hardship to the organisers, so they will not be able to field the show in future.

Flo

19/08/2008 at 17:31

Agree with all the above. Anyone on the forum involved with organising the show?

little1uk

19/08/2008 at 17:35

Where are these biker gangs then ? ive ridden north south east and west and not seen any, all i see are groups of mates on a rideout, even when i have encountered a small group of hells angels they didnt try and kill me cause i was on a sports bike when i pulled up next to em, has anyone seen this group of angry biker ??

wide open till you see god....THEN BRAKE

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 17:42

Are there any lawyers on this forum?? What about the freedom of information act? Don't the police have to supply an actual reason for cancelling such an event?

No of us can go to court saying "i nicked that car based on 'intelligence' that it was working for al queda".

SURELY there must be some sort of legal wrangle that means it could go on?!! It's just not right at all. Everyone, including the police know it yet they're organised so they win. Isn't there a national bikers assosciation with organisation and legal assets that can combat this sort of ridiculous behaviour??!!!

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 17:43

Lawyers screw coppers all the time for wrong reasons, how bout some come forward and do it on a larger scale for right reasons?

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Big Damo

19/08/2008 at 18:26

where is the MAG when you need them?

Huw

19/08/2008 at 18:36

The event could have gone on and the police wouldn't be able to do much about it, unless there was trouble and then the showground owners license would be in jeopardy.

The showground owners pulled the plug, the police just leant on them to do so.

As far as Rival gangs go there are non in Anglesey or indeed N.Wales, that I know of. In my town there are two bike clubs and they get along fine, there is also a club in caernarfon whom we get together with often and have a damn good piss up.

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Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 18:50

Surely the showground owners would go ahead then????? The police must have made them think that there was no choice in the matter or why would they cancel? Soo much money has been lost for the organisers..

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Huw

19/08/2008 at 18:54

Jimbo777 wrote (see)

Surely the showground owners would go ahead then????? The police must have made them think that there was no choice in the matter or why would they cancel? Soo much money has been lost for the organisers..

They bottled out basically, if they had let it go ahead and there had have been even a tiny punch up, their licence would be in jeopardy next renewal.

And if you knew what it was like to live in Anglesey you'd understand their refusal to upset the police.

red stripe_975

19/08/2008 at 19:01

maybe a huge show just "over the border" could be organised to rub PC hitlers face in it.?

local plod in notts/derbys wanted to cancel the rock and blues.

fortunately they didnt get their way.

and seldom is their trouble at any bike show / rally anyway.

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 19:02

Fair enough, i don't know what it's like, but also NOT fair enough to them.. By the same logic: any bar where a fight breaks out, they should lose their license..

It's so bloody unjust, surely a lawyer could have a field day? Sorry to rant but any way you look at it, it's just wrong. The organisers have families to feed. What if they go bankrupt? What if they lose their homes/marriages etc? Do they think about all this while they're on their pathetic little power trip???

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 19:06

I was at Glastonbury and the amount of drugs there in the open is incredible. Everyone knows this and even coppers turn a blind eye. One tried telling a girl off for smoking a joint to which she replied "It's Glastonbury!", the policeman just shrugged, smiled and walked off. Maybe bike rallies need to get massive corporate sponsors. Their lawyers would have the North Wales Hitlers shitting all over themselves. Asolutely NO respect and i have nothing against the police whatsoever.

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

Pyriel

19/08/2008 at 21:57

keep an eye on www.rag-cymru.co.uk

Their taking donations to help the legal fund for the Organisers to take action. the main organiser may lose his house over this.

from an e-mail sent out by the Organiser (Steve):

"This is part of the E-mail I was sent at 4.50pm on Friday.
Four and a half working days before we were due to open.

The Society has asked me to advise you that it has this afternoon received a further e-mail from Acting Chief Inspector Andy Williams of the North Wales Police.
In the e-mail, the Police have strongly recommended that the Society refuses permission for your event.
I am not at liberty to disclose the contents of the e-mail but can say that the Police have advised that there is a heightened risk of serious public disorder and criminality at the event and recommend the show is cancelled.
As such, and in view of the heightened risk to public safety, the Society has, with much regret decided that it has no option but to accept the recommendation of the Police and refuse consent for the show.

I have no choice or say in this.
Once again I have had to pay out for equipment hire, printing, consumable supplies, etc. Once again I won’t get that money back.

Please write/phone/E-mail your MP.
Ask “How can the Police be allowed to do this”
They haven’t gone through the courts or the licensing authorities.
They haven’t produced any “evidence” to back up their position.

We have never called the police to any of our events to deal with any violent behaviour, EVER.
Steve

Please stay in touch, and when I have straightened my head out we will work out how to handle the money side of it all.
We will probably ask people to send it directly to the lawyers, that way when my bank account gets frozen and they repossess my house the legal fund won't get touched".
Steve

Jimbo777

19/08/2008 at 22:10

Nice one pyriel for the info. I'll definitely be watching that site and donating.

Come on Visordown!! Mags are ALWAYS looking for publicity, be the mag/website behind the buggering of the North Wales Police. Help fund and organise the lawyers and use it as an example of how bikers are ridiculously discriminated against..

Tis better to have ridden and crashed than to have never ridden at all.

yambabe

19/08/2008 at 22:25

red stripe_975 wrote (see)

maybe a huge show just "over the border" could be organised to rub PC hitlers face in it.?
local plod in notts/derbys wanted to cancel the rock and blues.
fortunately they didnt get their way.
and seldom is their trouble at any bike show / rally anyway.

Erm what planet are you on? the Rock n Blues WAS cancelled this year, their licence was refused following representations from their local police!

The full application including all the objections was floating around on the www for a few days after the licence was refused, and made very interesting reading indeed.........

The Bulldog went ahead, with a police operation that has allegedly cost the council taxpayers of warwickshire £1.4 million - with all the armed riot squads and anpr and stop n search they made a grand total of 26 arrests (17 for offensive weapons mostly lock-knives or leathermans in toolits) and 9 for drugs) and it now emerges only 4 people have been charged.

We weren't going to the Anglesey Show this year but we are booked into a campsite on Anglesey anyway for the OH's birthday and we will still be going.

I believe as an alternative somethign has been arranged or the weekend on prvate land (no licence required and it belongs to the organisers) in Builth but I'll have to dig around for details for you.

Rain Goddess.

Reasonable rates for drought-hit communities, all you need is me and my bike.........

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