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Are Americans mad?

Do you love them crazy people over the pond or do you belive in the 51st State?

no , can't stand the bastards ;-P cheers , gotta get some shut eye , but can't wait to read this thread in the morning .

Well, we're just a little pissed off at you brits at the moment. We'd not have gone into Iraq were it not for the fact that TBLapdog agreed so we'd have a tagalong friend in country with us. Now you fucks want to cut and run leaving us all alone with our pants down. Quitters

Here's your chance Korky - jump on the bandwagon!!!!

TimskiT wrote

Do you love them crazy people over the pond or do you belive in the 51st State?

What a daft question to ask, of course they are mad! And holier than thou........

Bwana wrote

We'd not have gone into Iraq were it not for the fact that TBLapdog agreed so we'd have a tagalong friend in country with us.

Come on Bwana; you're joking, right?Anyway. Once again, when this kind of thread pops up, it's necessary to make the distinction between the American people ands the policies of the current US adminsitration. Many in the UK (and the US!) are opposed to the latter. Only a small minority, I imagine , have a problem with the former.Even if you do believe the the "51st State" (not the awful film ), it's hardly the fault of the American public.

moto748 wrote

Come on Bwana; you're joking, right?

Mostly, but there's an element of truth. You suckers just went right in too dincha? If TB hadn't aided and abetted we'd have had to wait a little while. Maybe ten or eleven days. Then it would have just been us and those three aussie guys and a japanese bloke wot got on the wrong flight. :burnout:

51st state? Yes please.America is fab - particularly the glorious West Bay area (just across the bridge from SF). Not so sure about KC or Denver, but maybe I'm just a teeny bit prejudiced on that score...It would be as wrong to judge America on the basis of the hopelessly incompetent and dangerous Dubya, as it would be to judge us on the basis of Blair. On close to 30 visits to the States, covering 26 states, I have never failed to find the vast majority of people generous and welcoming. Adding state number 27 (Alaska) to that list later this year. They're supposed to be a bit mad up there.

Bwana wrote

Mostly, but there's an element of truth. You suckers just went right in too dincha? If TB hadn't aided and abetted we'd have had to wait a little while. Maybe ten or eleven days. Then it would have just been us and those three aussie guys and a japanese bloke wot got on the wrong flight. :burnout:

Less of the 'you' your saying it like we get a choice about anything in this country

Summerleft wrote

Less of the 'you' your saying it like we get a choice about anything in this country

Just take note of the thread I'm dribbling this shit in.

I think we should divide America into territories... have all the really mad / God fearing / gun loving / inbreeding / evolution eschewing / war mongering / poorly educated about geographying etc cliche ones that we hear so much about in the Deep South, all the ones with very loud and nasal voices in Iowa, and all the sound ones occupying the majority of the mid to North of the USA.Then we wouldn't have to generalise so much and we'd have a lovely scapegoat to pour scorn on (as we like so much to do)"I hate those Iraqi war Christian KKK anti gay marriage twats who live near Mexico, the rest of the country is lovely".Kinda like we did with Wales and Scotland

Thank You Earache - said in the most polite Kentucky accent.I can do no better than quote the eminent British author Margaret Drabble. She sums up the sentiment perfectly for me in this articulate and cogent article from the Telegraph. "I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world"By Margaret Drabble"I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected. My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world. I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny. I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth. It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were.Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth. We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak. But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane.There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win. On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon."The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough.The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace.Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen. America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.) America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too. They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom. I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest. A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power... Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots. I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon."End.Not a bad read but I think the poems of Tony Harrison offer a much more powerful and savage condemnation of the Mickey Mouse nation.Yee-Haw.What more can one say?

Bwana wrote

Now you fucks want to cut and run leaving us all alone with our pants down.

Our troops ran out of tea weeks ago. It's inhuman, I tell you.

No more than any other race, but, IMO, equiped with a huge overdose of self importance and feeling of superiority.HTH!

KorkyKat wrote

<thoughts of another>I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny.

It may, pleasantly, surprise you to find out that many Americans have felt this way for a long time. Many of us have been opposed to the arrogance this administration has displayed from its outset. I do believe the numbers are growing. I've heard similar sentiment from many of my clients. Loads of them have surprised me as they've never come across like this before. Otherwise, nice bit of cut & paste there. Why not dazzle us with some of your own inspired wit next time? Bwana, with his ear to the ground in America...

Bwana, the pleasure will be mine. Nonetheless I feel that Drabble elucidates an interesting perspective, albeit vitriolic, which is shared by many Europeans.It doesn't surprise me that many Americans don't share the neo-con philosophy.You may wish to listen to this programme - which is quite interesting and listed under the BBC's Choice of the Day!www.bbc.co.uk/go/radio4/rhnav/choice/mon/t1/-/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?There is a synopsis here:news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6547881.stmSo what would you wish me to rail against? Cultural hegemony or the tortuous mangling of the English language?Be good.

Purely on my own experience, I haven't met a Yank I disliked. Got friends who live in Sierra Vista, Arizona, and quite a few who live over here. I've overheard a few who I suspect are complete ballbags, but I never had the misfortune of making their aquaintance. I despise their Government though. Much like the French, I love France, the French people, and their attitude to life. Government are complete bastards though (apart from Segolene Royal, she'd get it.)There's that fable/story thingOn a road between two cities, two travellers' paths cross. One says to the other "What are the people like in that city?"he replies "What were they like in the city you've just come from?""Fucking awful, rude, ignorant, wouldn't pass the time of day, the whole place is full of a bunch of cunts.""Then I'm afraid you'll find them very much like that in the next city."

I find it rather hard to make a generalisation about 300 million people.Some are mad, some are normal, some like to mention the revolutionary war when neither they, or their family, had any kind of presence in the USA at the time!

Me too Matt, me too.

KorkyKat wrote

Thank You Earache - said in the most polite Kentucky accent.I can do no better than quote the eminent British author Margaret Drabble. She sums up the sentiment perfectly for me in this articulate and cogent article from the Telegraph. "I loathe America, and what it has done to the rest of the world"By Margaret Drabble"I knew that the wave of anti-Americanism that would swell up after the Iraq war would make me feel ill. And it has. It has made me much, much more ill than I had expected. My anti-Americanism has become almost uncontrollable. It has possessed me, like a disease. It rises up in my throat like acid reflux, that fashionable American sickness. I now loathe the United States and what it has done to Iraq and the rest of the helpless world. I can hardly bear to see the faces of Bush and Rumsfeld, or to watch their posturing body language, or to hear their self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. The liberal press here has done its best to make them appear ridiculous, but these two men are not funny. I was tipped into uncontainable rage by a report on Channel 4 News about "friendly fire", which included footage of what must have been one of the most horrific bombardments ever filmed. But what struck home hardest was the subsequent image, of a row of American warplanes, with grinning cartoon faces painted on their noses. Cartoon faces, with big sharp teeth. It is grotesque. It is hideous. This great and powerful nation bombs foreign cities and the people in those cities from Disneyland cartoon planes out of comic strips. This is simply not possible. And yet, there they were.Others have written eloquently about the euphemistic and affectionate names that the Americans give to their weapons of mass destruction: Big Boy, Little Boy, Daisy Cutter, and so forth. We are accustomed to these sobriquets; to phrases such as "collateral damage" and "friendly fire" and "pre-emptive strikes". We have almost ceased to notice when suicide bombers are described as "cowards". The abuse of language is part of warfare. Long ago, Voltaire told us that we invent words to conceal truths. More recently, Orwell pointed out to us the dangers of Newspeak. But there was something about those playfully grinning warplane faces that went beyond deception and distortion into the land of madness. A nation that can allow those faces to be painted as an image on its national aeroplanes has regressed into unimaginable irresponsibility. A nation that can paint those faces on death machines must be insane.There, I have said it. I have tried to control my anti-Americanism, remembering the many Americans that I know and respect, but I can't keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication, I detest Coca-Cola, I detest burgers, I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.I detest American imperialism, American infantilism, and American triumphalism about victories it didn't even win. On April 29, 2000, I switched on CNN in my hotel room and, by chance, saw an item designed to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war. The camera showed us a street scene in which a shabby elderly Vietnamese man was seen speaking English and bartering in dollars in a city that I took to be Ho Chi Minh City, still familiarly known in America by its old French colonial name of Saigon."The language of Shakespeare," the commentator intoned, "has conquered Vietnam." I did not note down the dialogue, though I can vouch for that sentence about the language of Shakespeare. But the word "dollar" was certainly repeated several times, and the implications of what the camera showed were clear enough.The elderly Vietnamese man was impoverished, and he wanted hard currency. The Vietnamese had won the war, but had lost the peace.Just leave Shakespeare and Shakespeare's homeland out of this squalid bit of revisionism, I thought at the time. Little did I then think that now, three years on, Shakespeare's country would have been dragged by our leader into this illegal, unjustifiable, aggressive war. We are all contaminated by it. Not in my name, I want to keep repeating, though I don't suppose anybody will listen. America uses the word "democracy" as its battle cry, and its nervous soldiers gun down Iraqi civilians when they try to hold street demonstrations to protest against the invasion of their country. So much for democracy. (At least the British Army is better trained.) America is one of the few countries in the world that executes minors. Well, it doesn't really execute them - it just keeps them in jail for years and years until they are old enough to execute, and then it executes them. It administers drugs to mentally disturbed prisoners on Death Row until they are back in their right mind, and then it executes them, too. They call this justice and the rule of law. America is holding more than 600 people in detention in Guantánamo Bay, indefinitely, and it may well hold them there for ever. Guantánamo Bay has become the Bastille of America. They call this serving the cause of democracy and freedom. I keep writing to Jack Straw about the so-called "illegal combatants", including minors, who are detained there without charge or trial or access to lawyers, and I shall go on writing to him and his successors until something happens. This one-way correspondence may last my lifetime. I suppose the minors won't be minors for long, although the youngest of them is only 13, so in time I shall have to drop that part of my objection, but I shall continue to protest. A great democratic nation cannot behave in this manner. But it does. I keep remembering those words from Nineteen Eighty-Four, on the dynamics of history at the end of history, when O'Brien tells Winston: "Always there will be the intoxication of power... Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."We have seen enough boots in the past few months to last us a lifetime. Iraqi boots, American boots, British boots. Enough of boots. I hate feeling this hatred. I have to keep reminding myself that if Bush hadn't been (so narrowly) elected, we wouldn't be here, and none of this would have happened. There is another America. Long live the other America, and may this one pass away soon."End.Not a bad read but I think the poems of Tony Harrison offer a much more powerful and savage condemnation of the Mickey Mouse nation.Yee-Haw.What more can one say?

You have a lot of misguided hate. Have you tried yoga?

I don't know, you'd best ask Ms. Drabble for it was she who wrote the article. I believe the key word is 'sentiment'.Yoga? Isn't he the friend of Boo-Boo or something? Or maybe an activity for those who have too much leezure time?Misguided hate? Not really. Just don't like imperialism - in any shade of red-white-blue.news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456995/html/default.stmBe good.

KorkyKat wrote

I don't know, you'd best ask Ms. Drabble for it was she who wrote the article. I believe the key word is 'sentiment'.Yoga? Isn't he the friend of Boo-Boo or something? Or maybe an activity for those who have too much leezure time?Misguided hate? Not really. Just don't like imperialism - in any shade of red-white-blue.news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/guides/456900/456995/html/default.stmBe good.

Have much time have you spent in the States?

Bwana wrote

Well, we're just a little pissed off at you brits at the moment. We'd not have gone into Iraq were it not for the fact that TBLapdog agreed so we'd have a tagalong friend in country with us. Now you fucks want to cut and run leaving us all alone with our pants down. Quitters

what do you expect you keep killing our soldiers

Sufficient thank you and the people I met while there were reasonably nice and friendly - except for the retarded customs staff at Chicago O'Hare.Maybe you misunderstand. I am writing of the ever pervasive 'American imperial psyche' which has become insidious, not individual American people. Don't you realise that many people bitterly resent your military and government forcibly sticking it's nose into the affairs of other countries? Likewise 'culture'.How many times has the U.S. supported Israel in issuing vetoes against condemnatory U.N. resolutions? What right does the U.S. have to be engaged in activities in the Middle East other than protecting oil interests for now and the future? Whose oil? Tell me again?How can the U.S. espouse notions of freedom and democracy and break all international and human rights laws with Prison Camp Guantanamo and 'Extraordinary Rendition' - what fukwit in the Whitehouse came up with that euphemism? I include Europe too in this specific instance.Americans I admire: Noam Chomsky, Randy Newman, Cindy Sheehan, Jesse Jackson and many others who do not see America through red white and blue tinted spectacles.By the by, I think it would helpful if you discriminated against the word hatred versus passion or passionate. The latter is more appropriate.Be good.

Are Americans mad?The ones posting on this thread are livid

Moth.pmsl

KKKat:I see your Drabble (elegant name, btw), and raise you an El Rey;Please note; the following does not reflect the attitude of the poster, (who actually has had nothing but positive experiences in England {except for one cabbie!} ) but exists solely for the edification/entertainment of the threadbearers..."If civilizations are like organisms, as author Oswald Spengler noted in his Decline of Western Civilization, it would follow that some civilizations are just as irritating as certain organisms. Head lice, for one. England, for another. Think of the droll, low-budget English sitcoms that clog PBS like a diseased bowel these days. Why do we need to import fat, humorless old people when our own government teems with the bastards? Speaking of which, aren't there enough cry-baby rock stars in California alone to justify closing the visa gates on the likes of Richard Ashcroft and the Gallagher brothers? It's no great overstatement to say England's sole contribution to Western cultural the past century has been an aping of American pop music generally a repressed, winky-winky detached aping that misses the point entirely of pop music, which should be an expression of strong emotion as well as sex, loads of sex. (In England a wretched-looking skeletor like PJ Harvey passes for sexy. Enough said.) As for the Beatles, Lench Mob had it right when they said, "Get the motherfuckin' raid, Bone, we got roaches." Other English contributions to pop music include Judas Priest, Wham!, Spice Girls, Robert Plant, and the entire sickly genre of prog-rock, pioneered by louts like Kind Crimson and ELP, and currently poisoning world culture with the overrated likes of Radiohead. And thank you, England, for Sting. Thank you for "Sir" Elton John. (God, the country even sees fit to trivialize its own already-goofball traditions by "knighting" the likes of that bulbous, bone-smoking has-been.) And lastly, thank you, England, for the motherfucking Boo Radleys, yet another overhyped "act" from Liverpool (nice city name, by the way). Everyone knows about English food, filled as it is with heinous culinary atrocities like kidney pie and "bubble and squeak," which aptly describes not only the dish but its effects on the human bowel. You'd think these devils would've learned a thing or two from their short-lived and well-over empire days; I mean, they got around: at the start of last century, almost a quarter of the world's population could be placed in the English colonial empire. And what did they learn from it? Bangers and mash. Peapod soup. Black Pudding -- a pudding made of curdled and boiled pig blood, mixed with chunks of pork fat. Jesus Christ. It's typical though. The Romans occupied England for 450 years, but is there a trace of their cuisine left? No. And the Romans also built bath-houses, which English barbarians turned to museums promptly upon Roman departure, when sanitation technology reverted to its basest forms, as English Christians equated bathing with Roman debauchery (read: fun) and sinfulness. Bathing was actually considered unhealthy at this point in time, and anyone who's visited a few London pubs knows this attitude still persists. Speaking of which, about the only thing England does right is beer and that's little wonder. Living on a tiny, dank island filled with pasty-skinned buttplugs named Ian demands heavy alcohol intake. Yet somehow through all this the country, however woeful its economy, however sharp its decline as a world power, and however absurd its actual culture, remains arrogant. No wonder the Irish lob bombs at the motherfuckers. We should too. "--el rey

KorkyKat wrote

Don't you realise that many people bitterly resent your military and government forcibly sticking it's nose into the affairs of other countries? Likewise 'culture'.

Have much time have you spent in the States?As a superpower, US is a focus. Invariably some people will be bent on hate and anger. You cannot please everyone. Hatred is passionate.Passionate is not necessarily hatred.

moth wrote

Are Americans mad?The ones posting on this thread are livid

I am amused and somewhat flattered.

Kneedragon. Time is a concept. How many Americans do you know that have never stepped out of their State (maybe town) and have little or no understanding of global issues? Many I suspect. But in fairness, the same applies to other nationalities. Seems though you are not understanding the notion of pervasive and insidious imperialism which is not necessarily contingent upon how much time one has spent swilling down Budweisers in a cheap bar.America a superpower? I didn't know that. Hatred is passionate. Passionate is not necessarily hatred. Hmm? Semantics alert.Cowboy. I like your humour. Certainly is a thought provoking post! It would appear that it was penned by the equivalent of a British 'Chav' or 'Pikey'. Clearly the writer is of modern times and has no comprehension of history or real culture. Please don't spoil the image and tell me it's Merrycan humour.Music. I'll leave others to comment. As for personal hygiene. I'll have you know that we are second to the French. Now that sir is an achievement!Isn't it strange that the most loved nation on earth - Canada - adopted much of it's principles of democracy from Britain?I do so like the Canadians.Be good.

Cowboy wrote

had nothing but positive experiences in England {except for one cabbie!} )

All Cabbies are cunts, this is a scientific fact. Next time bring one of your guns over, that should sort them out.

KorkyKat wrote

Kneedragon. Time is a concept.

How much time, weeks, months years...

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How many Americans do you know that have never stepped out of their State (maybe town) and have little or no understanding of global issues?

none. That is inconsequential though.How may people do you know that have never left Europe?Do you know how big US is? Geography, learn it.

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Many I suspect.

Wrong as usual.

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But in fairness, the same applies to other nationalities. Seems though you are not understanding the notion of pervasive and insidious imperialism which is not necessarily contingent upon how much time one has spent swilling down Budweisers in a cheap bar.

The imperialism of the US is in the name of Starbucks, McDonalds, Microsoft, HBO, Hollywood...TBH seeing the dilution of British culture is saddening.

KorkyKat wrote

Bwana, the pleasure will be mine. Nonetheless I feel that Drabble elucidates an interesting perspective, albeit vitriolic, which is shared by many Europeans.It doesn't surprise me that many Americans don't share the neo-con philosophy.You may wish to listen to this programme - which is quite interesting and listed under the BBC's Choice of the Day!www.bbc.co.uk/go/radio4/rhnav/choice/mon/t1/-/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?There is a synopsis here:news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6547881.stmSo what would you wish me to rail against? Cultural hegemony or the tortuous mangling of the English language?Be good.

Consider this - I doubt seriously language in the UK has remained as it was some 200 to 500 years ago when folks from yerp first invaded and took possession of this country. It most probably has evolved to modern times assuming new words and assimilating foreign ones among other changes. Insert a big water puddle and it stands to reason the evolution of the one will become the two. All this niggling over aluminium and aluminum is little more than entertainment. The threat of the most horrid administration the US has seen to date poses a wee bit more threat to your well being.

Throbutronic wrote

what do you expect you keep killing our soldiers

Friendly fire was invented by Americans to avenge the shooting of Crispus Attucks after he threw a snowball at some trigger happy brit.

KorkyKat wrote

Don't you realise that many people bitterly resent your military and government forcibly sticking it's nose into the affairs of other countries?

Please separate the military from the government on some level. Direct your disdain at the men that put our military there. The vast majority of them are our sons and daughters or brothers and sisters and we want them back in one piece and don't like that they're there either. However, they signed on and are there doing duty as ordered. Lose it on the friendly fire bit too. This is not unique to American troops. I am reminded of the attitude toward Pennsylvanians in Ocean City Maryland, a resort town not far from me. There's the running joke: Why can't you get a decent blowjob in PA? Coz all them cocksucers is down here. In reality this stems from the fact that once people drive over the bridge into Ocean City they're too busy looking for their hotel, restaurant, the arse on some bikini clad bird, etc. to pay attention to the road. The PA plates stand out as we're accustom to seeing Delaware and Maryland plates on all the locals. They all drive like shit, only the PA tags get noticed. In asking KD about his acquaintances and expecting him to be surrounded by ignorant rednecks you've barked up the wrong tree. He's in DC and there is quite the cultural diversity. I, OTOH, live in a rural setting where income levels are at the barely surviving level, education is more limited, and folks may be more likely to buy into the bullshit. I suspect this to be true in any country.

Knee-DThe imperialism of the US is in the name of Starbucks, McDonalds, Microsoft, HBO, Hollywood...TBH seeing the dilution of British culture is saddening.I could not agree more. 100% In fact it is a disgrace. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

KorkyKat wrote

Knee-DThe imperialism of the US is in the name of Starbucks, McDonalds, Microsoft, HBO, Hollywood...TBH seeing the dilution of British culture is saddening.I could not agree more. 100% In fact it is a disgrace. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

OTOH it is thinning of the corporate herd.The weak cannot survive on sentiment alone.Sad but necessary.

Bwana, I would NOT disagree with a large number of your points but I would on the military. Unless the U.S. Forces are imbeciles they should be questioning their own ethics? Surely they must realise that what they are doing in Iraq is both illegal and immoral? They don't have to do their duty nor what they are ordered. The U.S. is not under attack from WMD is it? They can leave. None of them are conscripts. Would you want to be a witness to the daily carnage that is taking place? Carnage created by the Coalition of The Stupid and their leaders.I'm not alone in stating that Bush and Blair should be held under the Geneva War Convention as criminals.That's the big difference with Europe and the U.S. So big a difference it's metaphorically bigger than the Grand Canyon! Yours is a nation of patriotism and war mongering - as is partly the U.K. but there is far too much emphasis on your military acting as the unelected policeman of the world and marauding wherever it's politicians sees fit. Korea, Vietnam, Latin America etc.There are even a significant number of Americans that believe that the U.S.President is the leader of the free world? Like what or W.T.F?I know there are some decent folk in the States. Not all gun slinging rednecks or neo-cons. But ain't it time your good people said enough is enough? Why not stay at home for a few decades and let the world get on with it's own business. Maybe watch t.v. Have yourself some apple pie and a few extra helpings of Tom and Jerry's chocolate sundae.Leave all the troubles to the U.N. Peace Forces. They are the only body that should be engaged in conflict resolution.Take care.

KorkyKat wrote

Bwana, I would NOT disagree with a large number of your points but I would on the military. Unless the U.S. Forces are imbeciles they should be questioning their own ethics? Surely they must realise that what they are doing in Iraq is both illegal and immoral? They don't have to do their duty nor what they are ordered. The U.S. is not under attack from WMD is it? They can leave. None of them are conscripts. Would you want to be a witness to the daily carnage that is taking place? Carnage created by the Coalition of The Stupid and their leaders.

I am not at all familiar with the military training in the UK. I am not completely familiar with it in the US (I'm a civie). I am going out on a limb assuming that it isn't just a simple matter of standing up for a low ranking soldier to just stand up and say this is not right and I won't do it anymore. I do believe the soldiers receive heavily filtered information. After all, we the people do. Furthermore, I am crushed at the news that is emerging here on the treatment of the troops when they return to the US all fucked up. It appears the military is busy issuing walking papers in a fashion to prevent the VA from having to treat them for disorders sustained in combat. Physical and mental disorders. Not to mention the disgrace that is the state of some of the hospitals. It is not at all acceptable to send youth off to war and then abandon them upon their return irregardless of the rightness or wrongness of the war.

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I'm not alone in stating that Bush and Blair should be held under the Geneva War Convention as criminals.

In a perfect world...

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That's the big difference with Europe and the U.S. So big a difference it's metaphorically bigger than the Grand Canyon!

Is it really? We've had several years under a lopsided gubbamint. It's been right wing chicken hawk central for a while. However, politicians are politicians the world wide. I doubt that any of them are motivated less to win office and more to do what is right (WeverTF that is).

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Yours is a nation of patriotism

As are many.

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and war mongering - as is partly the U.K.

Ours is partly war mongering, not completely. I'll stand up as testament to that and be ridiculed shortly by Ares possibly.

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but there is far too much emphasis on your military acting as the unelected policeman of the world and marauding wherever it's politicians sees fit. Korea, Vietnam, Latin America etc.

How long ago was it the sun never set on the British flag? Was that all lollipops and kisses?

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There are even a significant number of Americans that believe that the U.S.President is the leader of the free world? Like what or W.T.F?

Every country has its share of rabid idiots.

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I know there are some decent folk in the States. Not all gun slinging rednecks or neo-cons. But ain't it time your good people said enough is enough?

Those of us that say this are labeled and ridiculed. Unfortunately it is a tactic that works.

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Why not stay at home for a few decades and let the world get on with it's own business.

You've corrected me on my diction (when I was having a laugh). Isn't that a question?

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Maybe watch t.v.

Ain't shit on worth watchin' over here.

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Have yourself some apple pie and a few extra helpings of Tom and Jerry's chocolate sundae.

I ain't fallin' for that either dammit. Next thing I know you'll be calling me a fat merkin.

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Leave all the troubles to the U.N. Peace Forces. They are the only body that should be engaged in conflict resolution.

Are they capable?

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Take care.

You too.

Oh man, what have I started?

Bwana. I have concluded you are a decent human being. Good reasoned argument with a touch of humour. Should I be let through U.S. customs I'd be delighted to buy you a drink. Likewise if you ever come across the pond the offer is stands. We could sort the world out over a bottle of Remy Martin.Take care of yourself and don't have too much apple pie. P.S. I blame my upbringing on Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie

KorkyKat wrote

We could sort the world out over a bottle of Remy Martin.

You're too late. I've come up with the final solution. Condoms, vasectomies, and tubal ligations for everyone.

I can think of some bad things about some americans, but they also apply to a lot of the british.I can think of some good things about some brits, but they also apply to many americans.This is why we are friends.Let us not spoil it.

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banana boy wrote

...Let us not spoil it.

So we can both concentrate on hating the French. I've noticed that over the last few years Americans have been joining in with this very British activity. Although I fear they may be missing out on the crucial repressed envy element to the relationship...

I think it's easy to judge a country when the main publicity that comes out of it is bad or hypocritical. I wonder what other countries in Europe think about England having the highest rate of teenage pregnancies or the highest drug addiction problem.At least the Virginia massacre pushed this to just a small column in the paper today:www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=45839&in_page_id=34

Danny_Two wrote

All Cabbies are cunts, this is a scientific fact. Next time bring one of your guns over, that should sort them out.

This dovetails nicely with a theory that I have been developing as I travel over the years. I'm not aware of any scientific research to support this, but if empirical evidence counts for anything, your observation is accurate... Sigh. So many cabbies, so little time... :smoke: Can't we please all go back to those elements which are common to both of our cultures, and which draw us together; i.e.; bashing the French?Best,Cowboy

I like the FrenchI don't mind Americans either

moth wrote

I like the French

Same here. It's the goddamned Liechtensteiners I can't stand.

banana boy wrote

Same here. It's the goddamned Liechtensteiners I can't stand.

I can't even say it

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