A Question for the Vegetarians

orangesocks wrote

Could be a bit long winded, basically its no different from any other animal, if a chicken is fed on corn it developes more flavour and has yellow fat.
Venison is no different, male Fallow deer come in to season in Aug at which time they will have a thick layer of fat around them, which will make them cook better. An older buck you would casserole or make pies with, for roasting you would be looking for a younger animal up to say 18 months.
After the rut [november ish] they can lose 80% of their body fat, which will make them drier when cooking. The does come in season 1st nov and really the same principles apply, younger animal for roasting ect.

clearly our local deer farmers are missing a trick here.
nearly all venison round here is almost fat free.(to look at)

William Tell wrote

Why are you vegetarian?


Just asking like......

because its unethical the way in which they treat animals

Kerry91 wrote

because its unethical the way in which they treat animals

so lets say a wild rabbit(can they be wild?)was going about its normal daly routine and was suddenly and without pain or suffering killed.
would you eat the meat? it hasnt been mistreated or tortured in any way.
i wouldnt because i have never liked the taste of rabbit meat.
however a calf that has been fed only milk and has been starved of light and not allowed to move.
cruel yes.
but it tastes good so eat it.

wristjob wrote

clearly our local deer farmers are missing a trick here.
nearly all venison round here is almost fat free.(to look at)

Unless you skin it you won't always see the fat. farmed venison wouldn't be an older buck anyway normally.
The fat will run through the meat anyway so unless its hung well [he he] you won't see the marbelling.
It also depends on which species, your farmed deer is likely to be Reds.

orangesocks wrote

Unless you skin it you won't always see the fat. farmed venison wouldn't be an older buck anyway normally.
The fat will run through the meat anyway so unless its hung well [he he] you won't see the marbelling.
It also depends on which species, your farmed deer is likely to be Reds.

they are
and the meat is very dry.
must be what the people want.
any animal farmed will eat itself fat if given the right food.

wristjob wrote

they are
and the meat is very dry.
must be what the people want.
any animal farmed will eat itself fat if given the right food.

Most farmed venison unfortunately is reared on quite small farms due to the fencing costs, always reared on grass and suplimented.
The animals you eat are all about the same age and unfortunately will all taste the same.
If your ever near Milton keynes look me up, I have wild fallow, Muntjac and Chinese water deer, all are deer but no two taste the same.

wristjob wrote

so lets say a wild rabbit(can they be wild?)was going about its normal daly routine and was suddenly and without pain or suffering killed.
would you eat the meat? it hasnt been mistreated or tortured in any way.
i wouldnt because i have never liked the taste of rabbit meat.
however a calf that has been fed only milk and has been starved of light and not allowed to move.
cruel yes.
but it tastes good so eat it.

no. i wouldnt eat it even though it wouldnt be unethical, i also dont like the idea of eating meat. . .the amount of parasites it contains

and plus ive had a few bad experiences with meat......

Kerry91 wrote

no. i wouldnt eat it even though it wouldnt be unethical, i also dont like the idea of eating meat. . .the amount of parasites it contains

and plus ive had a few bad experiences with meat......

you do realise that the first bug your body meats will probbably kill you.
have i eaten tape worm spores? yes
have i ever had a tape worm? yes
have people with worms had them for years ? yes
do most people with worms know they have them? no .
the amount of chemichals on veggies these days makes them just as bad as meat.

Kerry91 wrote

no. i wouldnt eat it even though it wouldnt be unethical, i also dont like the idea of eating meat. . .the amount of parasites it contains

and plus ive had a few bad experiences with meat......

Veggies have plenty of parasites and if you want to get the best out of them they should be eaten raw.
So you don't like meat but you like Leon "unibrow" Haslam.
No accounting for taste

orangesocks wrote

Nice, I like lots of egg white in an ommelette, did you ever see that weight trainer on the tv e few years back that got his protein from eatinghis own gizz

Yeah I usually have 1 whole egg and 2 egg whites in an omelette, as the body ( unless someones on Steroids ) can only absorb so much protein in one sitting anyway.

I dont think eating your own spunk will become all the rage for body builders, unless of course its a gay gym or something.

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You're all very sick bastards
Blatant cruelty to animals and plants
Don't get me started on you plant abusers, you shower them with chlorinated water throw shit on them and spray them with chemicals for God's sake where's your respect for life ?.

I only eat the hair that falls off my head and sometimes treat myself by following some other balding person

T509Speedy wrote

unless of course its a gay gym or something.

Well what else would they be

queue music "Everbody Dance Now"

Good lord is it this time of the year again? Ok, here we go...

Yes I'm a vegetarian of coming up 22 years now (turned when I was 11). Gave up fish longer ago than I stopped eating meat. I also do not eat green vegetables, radishes, aubergines...in fact, the list is quite long. Basically I do not eat anything that I don't like the look, then smell, then taste of (this is the test in order, get past one stage you meet the next). I avoid foods with things such as gelatine and rennet in (this is a choice thing, rather than not liking). Yes I wear leather, no I do not eat the leather products I wear therefore it doesn't stop me being vegetarian nor does it my me a hypocrite for exactly the same reason. No I will not wear fur. I will only cook limited meats because a) I don't like handling it and b) I'm worried I won't cook it properly, that said I make a mean full cooked breakfast and roast dinner (nice tender beef apparently!), however the only fish that makes it into my house is fishfingers, because fish is gross and sticks and looks horrid *barf* No I couldn't care less what others ate, the world would be a very dull place if we were all vegetarians and those veggies that "preach" do my nut in and I usually tell them to STFU as they are the ones that give us bad names. I also make the best veggie chilli in the world that even meat eaters a) get confused about and b) find themselves craving after they've had it once

Right, think I answered any and all questions that have come up/could possibly come up/have appeared in other threads on the subject of vegetarianism.

Oh...and nut roast is the worst food in the world...would rather have a steak...which I've never had...as I've never eaten red meat (other than burgers - and that's "meat" in the very loosest sense of the world )...mind you, I've never had bacon either...yes...most people don't understand that one, so don't worry...it's not just you :smoke:

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Fallen Angel wrote

Basically I do not eat anything that I don't like the look, then smell, then taste of

Most people don't. It's a good reason not to eat things, however, those considerations usually come secondary to

a) politeness: I don't like eg, liver. If I go round to someone's house, I don't specify what they should cook based on what i like. And if they cook something with liver in it, I bloody well eat it unless I can discreetly slip it onto someone elses plate.

b) convenience: If there's nothing else to eat or it's significantly difficult to provide for my personal dislike of, eg, tomatoes, I don't expect anyone to go to any trouble to cater for me specifically.

so the annoyance usually comes when people put themselves under the umbrella of vegetarians citing some fundamental reason (usually cruelty to animals) and expect concession when, if you press it, it turns out that they just don't like meat cause they've somewhat spuriously decided to label themselves a vegetarian.

Indraneelan wrote

Most people don't. It's a good reason not to eat things, however, those considerations usually come secondary to



a) politeness: I don't like eg, liver. If I go round to someone's house, I don't specify what they should cook based on what i like. And if they cook something with liver in it, I bloody well eat it unless I can discreetly slip it onto someone elses plate.



b) convenience: If there's nothing else to eat or it's significantly difficult to provide for my personal dislike of, eg, tomatoes, I don't expect anyone to go to any trouble to cater for me specifically.



so the annoyance usually comes when people put themselves under the umbrella of vegetarians citing some fundamental reason (usually cruelty to animals) and expect concession when, if you press it, it turns out that they just don't like meat cause they've somewhat spuriously decided to label themselves a vegetarian.

You may now see why I tend to host things rather than go to another's house and be a PITA for them to cook for



That said, I have many friends, each with their own "I don't like this" or "I can't eat that" and I accommodate them when I cook



Believe me, I can get annoyed with the preachy ones...the au pair is a relative newbie veggie, and she's a preacher, and I've shut her right up several times. For her it's all about the "cruelty to animals", she actually likes meat. But then she will preach to others that they shouldn't eat it, and as far as I am concerned, that's not right for her to do. Everyone should be allowed to eat or not eat what they want.



Yes, some things upset me with the thought of someone eating them (for example, veal), but I wouldn't actually stop them from doing so. Ok, so the fish ban in my house really is more on the scale of I'll heave all over the place as I can't stomach the smell of fish, but if Metz really wanted some, then he could have it, as long as he doesn't expect me to cook/prepare or be around in the same room.

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Fallen Angel wrote

You may now see why I tend to host things rather than go to another's house and be a PITA for them to cook for



That said, I have many friends, each with their own "I don't like this" or "I can't eat that" and I accommodate them when I cook



Believe me, I can get annoyed with the preachy ones...the au pair is a relative newbie veggie, and she's a preacher, and I've shut her right up several times. For her it's all about the "cruelty to animals",

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Not if you are selective about where your meat comes from

Yes, some things upset me with the thought of someone eating them (for example, veal)

Its strange though, a lot of the people that complain about eating veal, mainly do it because of the animals age, these same people will be eating a 14-16 week old Turkey in a couple of days

I love the taste of veal but had problems with the way they were previoously reared - in crates and only bottle fed milk, no movement or natural light. However, there is a new regime of rearing veal calves with more humane ways and I believe it was showcased on the Gordon Ramsay F Word programme.

OS, I'd love to visit your place and see how you deal with your deer, maybe we could meet up in the spring?? If possible, PM me and we can arrange something - cheers.

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Angry Painter wrote

I love the taste of veal but had problems with the way they were previoously reared - in crates and only bottle fed milk, no movement or natural light. However, there is a new regime of rearing veal calves with more humane ways and I believe it was showcased on the Gordon Ramsay F Word programme.

OS, I'd love to visit your place and see how you deal with your deer, maybe we could meet up in the spring?? If possible, PM me and we can arrange something - cheers.

Come spring they are out of season, anytime till Feb though

jennings wrote

we know that you like a nice bit of meat atty, and those sweet juices running down your throat.

Well, if we're both ever in attendance at a VD get together, I'd certainly like to meat you.

Roughly, from behind.

Atticus Finch wrote

Well, if we're both ever in attendance at a VD get together, I'd certainly like to meat you.

Roughly, from behind.

He'd like that. Watch out for the hedgehog