For anyone with a passion of 2 stroke bikes

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12/07/2006 at 16:24
Couch Commando wrote
fontyy that's nice looking, I do prefer standard bikes for my collection


its my bike and I have all the parts to return it to standard.

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12/07/2006 at 16:43
Ric wrote
#8, don't forget you could probably pick that RS up with one hand! They don't need monster brakes as there is not that much mass to slow down.


oh aye , but the ammount of hammering a brake system will take on any race bike is far beyond anything a road bike will ever see!

gonna put one of these calipers on my Cb500/4 , gotta use a sliding caliper as there isnt enough room for an opposed piston one

i gotta do ummit about the front brake as its dire, only bike where the back brake is stronger than the front !

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15/07/2006 at 00:53
Couch Commando wrote
fontyy that's nice looking, I do prefer standard bikes for my collection

Fair point mate, did you just buy that mint NC30??

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pjm
15/07/2006 at 12:25
How good a track day bike (not for racing) would the Honda Rs 250 make, I currently do between 12 and 15 a year, spending a total (I think) of about £3,500. Could I manage say 10 to 12 tds on this buget, or would the 2-stroke cost much more because of the maintenance (new pistons every 300 miles, new crank every 1500 is that about right?). I'm sure I could rebuild the top end myself, but I've never done a crank.
What sort of performance do you get from these bikes, close to 600cc speed but with tiny weight?
How difficult are they to learn to ride, the only 2-strokes I've had before was an lc about 20 years ago, and an rgv track bike about 6 years ago.
Next spring I'll have between 5 to 6 grand to spend on a new track bike, is that enough to get a decent 2T race bike for?
15/07/2006 at 13:31
pjm wrote
How good a track day bike (not for racing) would the Honda Rs 250 make, I currently do between 12 and 15 a year, spending a total (I think) of about £3,500. Could I manage say 10 to 12 tds on this buget, or would the 2-stroke cost much more because of the maintenance (new pistons every 300 miles, new crank every 1500 is that about right?). I'm sure I could rebuild the top end myself, but I've never done a crank.
What sort of performance do you get from these bikes, close to 600cc speed but with tiny weight?
How difficult are they to learn to ride, the only 2-strokes I've had before was an lc about 20 years ago, and an rgv track bike about 6 years ago.
Next spring I'll have between 5 to 6 grand to spend on a new track bike, is that enough to get a decent 2T race bike for?

PJM I think Eddie J is the one two answer these questions for you. I'm likewise looking to go the 2stroke route as i'm bored of the diesels , you just can't beet the feel and smell of a stroker!
15/07/2006 at 23:11
pjm wrote
How good a track day bike (not for racing) would the Honda Rs 250 make, I currently do between 12 and 15 a year, spending a total (I think) of about £3,500. Could I manage say 10 to 12 tds on this buget, or would the 2-stroke cost much more because of the maintenance (new pistons every 300 miles, new crank every 1500 is that about right?). I'm sure I could rebuild the top end myself, but I've never done a crank.
What sort of performance do you get from these bikes, close to 600cc speed but with tiny weight?
How difficult are they to learn to ride, the only 2-strokes I've had before was an lc about 20 years ago, and an rgv track bike about 6 years ago.
Next spring I'll have between 5 to 6 grand to spend on a new track bike, is that enough to get a decent 2T race bike for?


I've been told that for this type of use the TZ would be a better buy than the RS as parts for the TZ are a bit easier bought and if you check through the 'net it would certainly seem to bear it out. For cutting edge race use the TZ probably hasn't the legs of the RS but again for fun use it's probably hardly noticable and the TZ supposedly handles a wee bit better.

Then again when you're buying s/h it'll probably boil down to what you get the chance of!
15/07/2006 at 23:20
pjm wrote
How good a track day bike (not for racing) would the Honda Rs 250 make, I currently do between 12 and 15 a year, spending a total (I think) of about £3,500. Could I manage say 10 to 12 tds on this buget, or would the 2-stroke cost much more because of the maintenance (new pistons every 300 miles, new crank every 1500 is that about right?). I'm sure I could rebuild the top end myself, but I've never done a crank.
What sort of performance do you get from these bikes, close to 600cc speed but with tiny weight?
How difficult are they to learn to ride, the only 2-strokes I've had before was an lc about 20 years ago, and an rgv track bike about 6 years ago.
Next spring I'll have between 5 to 6 grand to spend on a new track bike, is that enough to get a decent 2T race bike for?


Easily, keep your eye out in the for sale section on Two Strokes.com, 93' -00 RS's (that's the pro arm shape Max won on) tend to run from £4k - £7k depending on package.
Early ones (the ones the NSR road bikes were based on) are less.
Post 2000 ones go up to £15k and have service bills to match but if you've got the skills one of those coud run wild card in the GP

I sometimes think about getting one but I'm pretty sure in my unskilled hands I'm not much slower on my NSR250, that and 80% of days and all eves at Donington (which is 10 miles from me) are quiet days, putting the std pipes and airbox back on and jetting to suit takes about an hour. Not really an option on a race bike.

If I had £6k for a trackbike I think I'd do another NSR, mid 60's bhp, sub 130kg wet, normal 95 ron fuel, quiet pipes if you need, day light MOT maybe? It's enough, parts are easily available and it'll last a lot better than an RS.

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16/07/2006 at 05:31
fontyy wrote

If I had £6k for a trackbike I think I'd do another NSR, mid 60's bhp, sub 130kg wet, normal 95 ron fuel, quiet pipes if you need, day light MOT maybe? It's enough, parts are easily available and it'll last a lot better than an RS.



I'm looking for one at the moment.
I PM'd you on the GB bikers site a few weeks ago asking for advice, maybe it didn't get through.

I live in the middle east now and only get home to the UK for around 9 weeks a year. My SP1 is stored away and will only be used on occasional trackdays when I'm home....but my real love is two-strokes, thats what I used to race.

I've spent a fortune on my SP1 getting it sorted but it still doesn't scratch the itch that a nice 2-stroke would.

Now I can afford something nice I'm looking for a good two stroke to use on trackdays but I don't really want the maintenance of a full on GP bike.
I've trawled the forums but not much about really - I heard a rumour of a guy in the north west who brings them in from Japan but maybe its an urban myth.
16/07/2006 at 18:21
The Butler wrote
PJM I think Eddie J is the one two answer these questions for you. I'm likewise looking to go the 2stroke route as i'm bored of the diesels , you just can't beet the feel and smell of a stroker!



Some time over the next week or so (when time permits) I shall try and get a costings sheet together for the TZ and RS.
I still think that it a double edged sword running a pukka GP250 bike on trackdays though. Gp bikes take alot of effort to ride properly and whilst they are the ultimate experience, they could also be your worst.

I can see where fontyy is coming from when he talks about using a road biased two stroke on trackdays and a standard road biased bike is going to be less daunting and would certainly be more forgiving than a pure race bike. I ran a standard RGV for two years on trackdays with no hassles or breakdowns. I was very lazy with it and only pulled the heads off a couple of times in that period! The bike was even very good on tyre wear. The down side is that unless it rains, you don't have quite as much fun when riding in the fast group, simply because of the point and squirt mentality of 600cc plus riders that leave you on the straights and then hold you up on the corners.

I do have a confession about getting fed up with a 916 rider a few years ago who was doing just this. I put up with it for nearly the whole day, he kept coming past me on the straights and then holding me up in the corners. In the afternoon, enough was enough and I stuffed it under him big time at Druids. I waited for him to pass me after Graham hill, but nothing happened. I waited again along the start finish straight, but he still did not come past. When I got back around to Druids, I saw a 916 upside down in the gravel with its headlights still on and facing the track! At this point I thought oh shit! I completed the lap, put the bike in the van and went home!!! The story did not end there though as a mate happened to do some work around a house in a village near to me, and in the garage was a smashed up Duke. It turned out to be the same guy and he told my mate how some idiot on an RGV under took him!

Getting back on the GP versus ride bike situation, I can see that there are alot of pros to running a road bike, but I personally would always choose the race bike as maintenence is a hell of a lot easier to carry out on a purpose built race bike than that it is on a road biased bike.

A better route would be to buy two bikes A road based 2t and then keep the Pukka GP250 for odd sessions in between when you fancy a bit of a change.

Another point that is worth thinking about, is that GP250 race bikes do not suit the riding style of everybody. This was pointed out to me by Bemsees' Dave Stuart as I have a tendancy to loose the front end of the bike quite often on left hand corners, he had noticed this and felt that it was worth mentioning!. This only ever happens when I ride a 250 though!

icarus1859, the guy in the North that you refer to. Does he only sell road based 2 strokes? If it race only bikes, then I think that I know who he is and his bikes come from the same source as mine.
17/07/2006 at 05:12
EddieJ wrote
icarus1859, the guy in the North that you refer to. Does he only sell road based 2 strokes? If it race only bikes, then I think that I know who he is and his bikes come from the same source as mine.



I don't know mate, I haven't got a name or anything, just a rumour of a guy who might be able to source some good two strokes. I've been trying to find out who it is.

As I already said I'm only in the UK for 9 weeks a year at the most split over 3 lots of 3 weeks, so I need something that doesn't demand a huge amount of time to prepare as I'll just want to jump on and go. Maintainance will have to be done by a shop while I'm away so its ready to ride when I get home - so maybe a road bike would be better unless I find a specialist shop near by

I'd love a TZ250, I raced them in the early 90's and always promised myself I'd have a reverse cylinder one of my own (they belonged to my sponsor), however I'd be happy with a V-twin. Its just that in my situation a road bike like an NSR might be the sensible choice.
pjm
17/07/2006 at 06:25
EddieJ wrote
Some time over the next week or so (when time permits) I shall try and get a costings sheet together for the TZ and RS.
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Cheers, I'd really appreciate that, and stop bullying Ducrappys!

I realise that a gp 250, may not be a sensible choice, but as you say possibly the ultimate experience. I've got an R1 at the moment, and after riding a mates R6 at Cadwell last Wednesday, realised just how much more nimble it was, obviously a 250 is a huge improvement still, so I'm very tempted.
When I had my Rgv, I used to get frustrated with being overtaken then slowed up in the corners, however I've a lot more experience now, so maybe I wouldn't suffer quite as much as I should be able to lap quicker than I did last time on a 250.
17/07/2006 at 09:47
Thanks for that Eddie , it would be very much apricated. having ridden many large bikes of late on the track but mainly on the road it was a godsend to ride a friends RGV yesterday if only for a few minutes , I think it's the way forward on the track as I tend to carry a lot more corner speed than most people especally on my old zx7r when I used that, I just hope a gp250 will suit my style like you say Eddie "it's not for everyone's riding style"
18/07/2006 at 20:42
icarus1859 wrote
so maybe a road bike would be better unless I find a specialist shop near by

For an NSR Apex Leisure are near you I believe (Preston), not a big place but they really know their stuff, just ignore anything negative they say about NSR-World or Tyga Performance as there's some bad feeling there on all sides.
They did my '28 when I got it (it was in a right mess as well, e here for details, and here)

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23/07/2006 at 09:16
Just got myself a new camera so thought I'd take some new pics of the LC/YPVS special :smoke:








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23/07/2006 at 10:22
That is gorgeous!:smoke: I think that the only thing that I would change is the bars. I really like Vincent straights

P.s Congrats on the new camera..
23/07/2006 at 11:44
EddieJ wrote
That is gorgeous!:smoke:


Agree stunning RD350 , one of the best Threads on VD for Years, keep it it up guys, some of these bikes bring me back to my mispent youth :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

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23/07/2006 at 17:43
Excellent pics Rich, thats a lovely bike!! i was born too late imo, no bike looks thats cool anymore

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25/07/2006 at 14:27
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Two lovely TZR250R's here one of them the sp one is "Strokerboy's" from the TZR forum , but I only relised a mate of mine owned it 14 years ago ! Nice to see the old girl going still! These bike's sound just about perfect on the road you can keep those v twins !
25/07/2006 at 14:29
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sorry guys i'm crap at uploading things here's that TZR250R SP
26/07/2006 at 18:45
I know that I am biased when it comes to the reverse cylinder Yams, but they do look lovely. Not to keen on the black screen and either of the tank pads though!

Off on my hols tomorrow,, so please try and keep the thread up on the first page
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