Talkback: Italian press say Rossi to Yamaha

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02/08/2012 at 19:41
So then, that's that pretty much. Cheers Vale, made me look like a knob. AGAIN.
02/08/2012 at 19:59
Poor Ducati, Poor Poor Ducati lol
02/08/2012 at 21:32
"YAMAHA have offered" doesn't mean Valentino has accepted; I'll wait to hear it from his lips. I do hope this is true though, a stint in World Superbike is icing on the cake.
02/08/2012 at 21:32
So let me get this straight... Rossi couldn't handle having Lorenzo as a teammate that challenged his "supremacy"... and basically gave Yamaha a "me or him" ultimatum... and lost...

So now that Lorenzo is clearly the better rider... Rossi will be the #2 rider at Yamaha??

Yeah, makes total sense...
02/08/2012 at 22:04
Can't see him leaving myself - would be a bit of a blot on his copybook and let's face it, if he sticks around Bologna for another year he can have his own Ducati WSBK team in 2014.

Moving back to Yamaha would be sticky - he's unlikely to get the same support as Lorenzo and the chances of them taking each other out at each race would surely be on Japanese minds.

Give a man fire and he's warm for a day,
Set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life
02/08/2012 at 23:55
Yamaha needs the money that Rossi brings. I think it will happen.
02/08/2012 at 23:57
These rumours are always true. remember the stoner one recently. He's at yamaha. Of course, Vale wants to have fun, theres no other reason he would be there, its only his passion to ride fast motorbikes that keeps him there, he has no reason to stay at ducati, I dont think he could care about a duc superbike really in 2014 to waste next year again. This is great news as far as im concerned. He'll cop some shit in italy with all that nationalist bullshit,

but most people really want to see him mixing it up, not running around in 9th alone, what a waste of talent.
02/08/2012 at 23:59
yep, its all about money for yamaha, rossi brings it, shitloads, and they aint got a sponsor at the moment. But its wins all round.
03/08/2012 at 04:07
I don't really see any reason for him to stay at ducati. He will have had 2 years to sort the bike. It hasn't worked for whatever reason and he doesn't have anything to prove despite what people say. Get him back on a competetive bike for the last few years of his career in GP.

Lorenzo is a clever guy and i bet hes secretly desparate to have vale back in the team, just for the fact that both of those guys developing and progressing the m1 will be a serious force as we saw a few years ago.

As for ducati being a 'blot on his copybook'... i really don't think so. Look at all the people who have tried and failed with the pile of crap desmo. There is only one person who made it work for a short while.
03/08/2012 at 08:35
From everything I'm hearing and reading this is already a done deal. I have to say, I never thought it'd happen, but I'm glad it is, because I for one am sick to the back fucking teeth of talking about that poxy bloody Duke.

Onwards and upwards FORZA VALE!!!

:D
03/08/2012 at 08:51
If he does move, that's a lot of ugly red/yellow #46 merchandise left languishing in Italian warehouses!

My prediction if he moved - a career ending injury sustained battling against Lorenzo, means he retires without another world championship and isn't fit enough to compete in WSBK with the time he has left. Remember, you read it here first! ;-)

Give a man fire and he's warm for a day,
Set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life
03/08/2012 at 08:54
its a massive shame that ducati cannot resolve the problems with there bike . it would have been fantastic for rossi to win on an italion bike . i wish valentino all the best on his return to yamaha i think he is still the most talented rider ive ever seen good luck to him
03/08/2012 at 08:59
@mobus - it's true there have been many riders who tried and failed to ride the Desmo, but there aren't many who - along with their crew - have been brought in _specifically_ to solve the problems of rideability and make the bike competitive. And there have been even fewer paid north of 15 million Euros to do it! Face it, after changes to an alu beam frame and this and various other attempts to re-create a Yamaha, they are slower than last year at many tracks and slower than Stoner was two years ago on the "unrideable" bike!

The myth was that Rossi was a great development rider and that he and Burgess could turn an uncompetitive bike around (see Yamaha for details). Leaving now will utterly destroy that myth. It appears Rossi/Burgess just inherited an M1 that was already "on the turn". Or that's what the history books will show... that and the fact they probably should have hired Troy Bayliss to work alongside Stoner to get the bike sorted, plus stick around until the job was finished.

Give a man fire and he's warm for a day,
Set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life
03/08/2012 at 09:48
Slowin, you can only be a good development rider if you get the parts to develop. Ducati Corse have been told what the problems are, they simply don't wanna hear it.

The M1 was "on the turn, and the history books will reflect this". Can you please clarify this. AFAIK Carlos Checa essentially refused to ride the M1 because it was essentially a dangerous thing to ride on his last season there. Furusawa said to JB and crew, what do you want, after testing, they were told, they went away built it and it started to come good.

There's gonna be lots and lots of coulda woulda shoulda over the next few months, but the way I see it. Ducati didn't listen to VR and VR I think underestimated the job at hand (even if a little bit).

Anyway. M1 :)
03/08/2012 at 10:25
better than being number 2 to nicky hayden i would suppose
03/08/2012 at 10:48
Come now Kenneth, surely one knows Vale's washed up and is only walking away because he can't do it anymore!!! And to hell with any historical fact or proof that says otherwise.

Surely one realises that if he's only getting about 40% of the parts he's asked for to DO the job in hand that's enough!! I tell ya what, any of these boys hating on here would have had that Duke turning quicker than a tiger tied to a post MONTHS ago.

And to think any different is simply witch craft.
03/08/2012 at 11:53
Will enjoy seeing Rossi win again
03/08/2012 at 15:12
my take: if rossi and lorenzo team up again... who is goin to be able to challenge these two? is every race goin to end up in battle between 99 and 46?

yes theres dani (whose been consistant this season), but is he enough to challange these two? marquez will (i assume) take time to gain the experience needed to challenge for winning positions.

scrap the crts, get more factories in here, suzuki, kawasaki, BMW! and get the best possible riders... surely we dont want to see motogp die out and by what some of you are saying here, its slowly becoming a realization...
03/08/2012 at 16:32
He might be No.2 but not in his mind, he will believe he can beat Lorrenzo, and who knows maybe he can, why stay at Ducati, zero reason, it was a shit bike last year, shit bike this year and shit bike next year, even as a No.2 he has a chance of winning something instead of thrashing around at the back of the factory teams.
03/08/2012 at 17:59
Slow In is absolutely correct. The myth that Rossi is a great development rider is exactly that - a MYTH perpetuated by Rossi. Remember, the Yamaha was fast from Rossi's first time out on the bike, winning its first race. Was Rossi such an amazing development rider that he turned the bike from a lump of coal to a diamond just in practice before the first race? Yamaha was already changing the bike before Rossi ever touched it.

While solid input from riders is necessary to development, its the engineers that make great bikes, not riders. The best the rider can do is come back and say "I get chatter trail braking into 3" "It's twitchy coming out of the sweepers" etc. The engineers figure out how to solve the problems. Rossi never designed a single part on the bike.

Rossi made the mistake of believing his own hype. He got butt-hurt when he realized Lorenzo was better than him. He threw a spoiled brat's temper tantrum and stormed off to Ducati.

Now he realizes his glory days are gone and he's desperate. He's crawling back to Yamaha, grateful to be Lorenzo's water boy. Yamaha will accept him because this is a business first and a sport second. Lorenzo's many worldwide fans mean money even though they are in denial about Rossi being washed up. I doubt Rossi will ever win another dry race and certainly will never win another MotGP championship. Hayden has proved himself to be better than Rossi.
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