Talkback: BMW: 'Honda and Yamaha are killing MotoGP'

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27/06/2012 at 12:09
Dear BMW,

Grow a pair, roll your sleeves up and just stop whinging and get stuck in.

Thanks
27/06/2012 at 12:33
Alternatively leave it alone, let it die, & say I told you so... at this stage of their involvement & in this economic climate which you would you suggest?
27/06/2012 at 12:47
Mr. BMW isn't wrong, the best is always the enemy of the rest. If you don't have a chance of winning, why bother?
27/06/2012 at 13:22
Funny how BMW don't mention their tackling of F1 rules when they were at the top of their game.
27/06/2012 at 13:23
Motogp has always meant to be at the forefront of technology.
27/06/2012 at 13:27
Pagik... totally agreed.

is easy to speak from outside. Grow and go to the fight, b**ches
27/06/2012 at 13:37
BMW is absolutely right, and with Honda announcing building a cheap RC213V to peddle to satellite, independant and CRT teams get ready to see a whole lotta Hondas on the grid. BORING!

Now wonder Kawi and Suzuki bowed out. Who wants to watch a 2 manufacturer series anways? I can wait for 2015 to come where the all bikes will be restricted down to CRT spec.

Theres also the round of negotiations going on at Assen this weekend, where a spec ECU, banning carbon brakes, limiting rev limit will all be discussed. This is MotoGP, not HondamahaTV
27/06/2012 at 14:41
Actually the most interesting series at the moment is a Honda Engine only one.It does level the playing field somewhat and makes for exciting and close racing as we've witnessed. Moto2 rocks!
27/06/2012 at 16:31
Couldn't agree more there Ken. (obviously with the exception of my frightfully insightful inital comments). It's only a matter of time before Furusawa plays Yamahas hand with the CRT thing. Suzuki have already pretty much admitted their effort will be CRT.

JP, what would you rather have then? 5 or 6 prototypes parading round,or a mixed grid of 20 + bikes CRT's and prototypes all shooting it out?

I know what I'd rather have...and it's not the former...
27/06/2012 at 16:49
Its not honda and yamaha who are killing it. That would be dorna. Besides, its not only honda and yamaha who have been pouring cash into it for years. Everybody else has been doing the exact same thing, its just honda nd yamaha who have come out ontop. So you can hardly turn around and say YOU DID THIS to any single manufacturer.

Without the financial crisis i think the majority of the manufacturers would still be involved in it and pouring their millions into the paddock. And that would include BMW imo.
27/06/2012 at 17:05
And lets face it. Employing Marco Melandri and Leon in WSBK is not exactly going to have been cheap for BMW in WSBK. And I'm certain that they didn't really need to Marco a brand new M5 for his "run around" this year.
27/06/2012 at 17:08
Tires are the real issue.... they only need all that electronic BS so they don't spin up exiting the corners. If you can fine tune your bike to work fast and not use up the tires then you have a great chance of winning. Make a better more durable tire and the pace doesnt drop off so much, more riders can battle it out longer and the racing is better.

Think about it.... single source tires means he who controls the tire supplier (dorna) can control the race & manufactures.
27/06/2012 at 17:35
@JP SK...it's people with your mindset and people like p@$$y Bernhard Gobmeier that kills MotoGP. GP represent highest technological advancements...if BMW can't compete then STFU & GTFO.

Grid full of CRTs?! That's when GP will really die.
27/06/2012 at 17:59
RR2. Why are you, (and a whole load of others so dead set against CRT)? We had a form of CRT back in the day with the RG's TZ's and NS's. And i recall the acing being utterly fantastic!!!!

Jayson,

Bridgestone DID give a tyre that lasted the race (and more) everyone (apart from Stoner) said it took ages to get any heat into it, and it's peak was about 15 laps after each race had finished. Hence why Bridgestone have the new compounds this year.

I would agree that the single tyre manufacturer rule is daft though, bring back Michelin I say!!!
Ev
27/06/2012 at 19:38
Not that I don't agree MOTO GP can be boring at the best of times, but I think it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Next to the aprillia rsv4 the s1000 rr is the most technically advanced road bike/ world superbike
27/06/2012 at 19:52
I hate to say this, but as a spectacle Moto GP now sucks. No depth in talent or performance and too small numbers on the grid. Maybe we have already seen the best it's ever going to be, but if F1 can try to pull it's self around (and to their credit, the last few races have been more exciting), there might be a chance for Moto GP. But it will have to change and that means more manufacturers employing top riders.
27/06/2012 at 22:27
Pagik, my man... agreed more.

Let others tyre manufacturers sell their technology... Pirelli, Michelin...

I miss you, NS, TZ and etc
28/06/2012 at 08:06
Personally I would like to see the main factories allow other teams to purchase older engines and stick them in prototype frames.

This would provide closer racing throughout the field, but still allow Honda, Yamaha and any other factory to still develop machinery.

I am with others on the tyre rules too. Free it all up!

If the intention is to stay with CRT, then they have to be competetive. I would wager a hefty bet that RDP on his Aprilla could not beat Eugene Laverty on his!
28/06/2012 at 11:05
What a bullshit comment from BMW. Why on earth would a manufacturer want to be uncompetitive in a prototype series? Fair enough if they said can we bring in a rule to maybe let the newer teams catch up? Saying their ruining the sport though?!!!

Er... If they weren't out there, there wouldn't be a sport!!

Pagik put it perfectly: "grow a pair BMW'

As for some guy saying there a lack of talent in motogp? Could you please explain then why any racer than steps up into the series struggles to be competitive? They also tend to mutter phrases like "Yeah, but these guys are SERIOUSLY fast)...
28/06/2012 at 11:42
Why would BMW bother? They are doing great selling actually bikes on the floor. They have nothing to gain by spending a boat load of money in MotoGP.

S1000RR is very popular superbike worldwide, if not the most popular.

Some of you would be great CEO's, really ....
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