Hi, just thought I would ask how differently do you all ride during winter compared to summer...
Specifically: on the odd sunny days between the snow, ice, rain and darkness how much slower do you take corners to take into account the effect of the cold on your tyres and the road?
The warm months of this year were lost on me as I had only just passed my test; as I continue to practice through winter I am just wondering how much traction is lost due to cold roads?
Cheers all for any input
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They are basically my thoughts too, I have never been sure how much lean angle my bike and tyres can handle. Towards the end of summer as I was just getting into leaning the bike over and figuring out how much angle it can cope with (presumably a hell of a lot more than I can offer it) the cold struck and forced me to be more conservative.
I know people do trackdays over winter so presumably a fair amount of traction still exists, but it certainly deals a big blow to my confidence in the tyres. Anyone ever done one and wish to comment?
hextal wrote (see)
I've read a few articles in some of the mags where investigators have stated that people have crashed due to not having enough confidence in the grip of the tyres. In that they have gone in too hot, panicked, braked / stood the bike up and gone off the road, whereas, if they had just pushed it over more they would have made it around with no fuss. I've experienced this a few times on my first trip to ireland, went around a few bends too hot, panicked, stood the bike up, then managed to overcome my poor instincts, let off the brakes and pushed it over again. Ie - not only did the tyres get me around the corner, but they got me round it even after I had put the bike much deeper into the corner than it would normally have been. I'm still trying to figure out the limits of my bike, my tyres and my riding. The first two are definitely way ahead of the latter.
Thats a familiar story; in a tight, open view left hander near me I felt I was going in too fast, instinct had me pull in the front brake until the bike stood up and logic forced me to lean it in. I made it round but it was one of my more arse twitching moments on a bike. On a positive note, it did scrub off my left hand chicken strip .
I may look into some better bulbs, the 01 CBR ones are pretty bad, especially when covered in road salt, grime and the inside has fogged up.
What I was taught at a very early stage and what I preach as an instructor now is KEEP YOUR VISION UP! Remember that the rear wheel will always follow the front and if you start to focus on the bit of tarmac directly in front of the leading wheel that is where you end up (normally) Generally most bikes will far exceed what we are willing to ask of them so have faith in your machine and never ride out of your comfort zone!
Alternatively ride like a twat, crash, and then blame someone else
On the cold dry days, as long as you're not using race rubber, you'd be amazed how much grip there is.
Race rubber operates at a far higher narrower temp.
Road rubber as a larger temp range.
However, what you can't account for are micro climates. These are ares of shade cover that will catch you out as you come round a corner because the cold temperature never dries the surface or even de frost ice in some cases.
Smooth smooth smooth is the key and yes do not lean too far but do not be scared to lean either, doing this will tense you up on the bike and cause more problems.
Apart from when there's ice on the ground I don't change my riding style much at all but that will be because I don't push anything to the limit in good conditions so I think I've got loads of spare capacity to use before I'm in trouble when they're bad.
Regarding the tyre grip, mine are all fairly hard compound and aren't affected much by temperature so, coupled with my lack of power, I've never worried about losing grip when the road is cold. I do try to make sure I've plenty of tread depth for wet weather riding, though.
I'm slow and use my controls gently anyway so my experience isn't much use to you. There is one hazard I can think of that is worse in the cold and that's petrol spillages. It can be as slippery as diesel but normally evaporates quickly. In winter it stays around for longer. Fortunately for me I've never slipped on diesel or petrol. Yet.
Good answers all thanks...
I don't tend to thrash around too much anyway but it's nice to think I can have a little more confidence in my rubber; will certainly be more aware of shady patches from now on, hadn't really considered them beyond looking out for dark patches on the road in general.
The Spin Doctor wrote (see)
Well, I hope you parked up the bike for the snow, if it snowed in your area!!A friend's son tried to ride at 4am in the morning and crashed his brand new £10,000 Fireblade at the end of his road! If you have to ride, get a ratbike with upright bars - it's much easier to handle.
Well, I hope you parked up the bike for the snow, if it snowed in your area!!
A friend's son tried to ride at 4am in the morning and crashed his brand new £10,000 Fireblade at the end of his road!
If you have to ride, get a ratbike with upright bars - it's much easier to handle.
Yeah my bike is well and truly parked up; some of it was even fortunate enough to have been removed, cleaned and stored in a spare bedroom whilst I sort out some electrical and mechanical niggles.
As for the snow, I was driving home in the cage about midnight yesterday when the snow struck - I was certainly appreciative of the two extra wheels, windscreen wipers and the heater.
The best advice i would give is to take your riding skills a notch further by signing up to IAM (Institute of Advanced motorists) or Rospa / RoADA (royal society for the prevention of accidents Advanced Drivers/Riders Association)
Just in case you did'nt know...
In the main these are charity organisations with enthusiastic volunteer members who offer masses of knowledge and skill to likeminded people for very little money.
All the opinions in the world- whilst well-meaning- might only cause confusion so its best to get proper, accredited training.
At the very least try the Bikesafe or Enhanced Rider Scheme programmes as a taster.
For the time being take reducing your speed seriously and ride gently over questionable road surfaces; as smoothly as possible using throttle, brakes, steering and posture.
Don't want to be a bore (to a newish rider) but reducing speed gives you more time to assess and react to road, weather and traffic conditions - and proper training will help improve your riding no end.
There is never a substitute for mileage under your belt so no fast-track methods here.
Didn,t think i'd be responsible for starting such a fiery debate.
I have to accept being a "dickhead" for getting carried away with my comments on a purely "unqualified" level.
Ok so i,ve done a couple of courses DIAmond, IAM blah blah, and i,m gonna contact a guy in the spring to polish up a bit and maybe try and get a Rospa / ROada qualification too.
In no way do i think certificates make me a better rider - in fact (call it an inferiority complex if you like ) i never feel satisfied that i have learned anything more or improved... despite my enthusiasm.
I hope i always have this attitude...
I ride an old style Yamaha FAZER 600 that i;ve had from new since 2000. And we often see certain club members "stereotyped" because of their choice of steed.
Who Cares - healthy debate wouldn,t happen if we all said and did the same things as each other.
My unrehearsed opinions (having reflected on them) would be better kept to myself unless i can argue my case ... but thats never gonna happen.
For me, i just love bikes and the "advanced" type of riding; more than i ever thought i would have years ago.
I get a buzz seeing some super-smooth rider going about their day with a commanding aura about them.
I suppose thats the type of thing i myself aspire to.
Dont get bitter guys - we all love the same thing
The Black Prince wrote (see)
As to the IAM getting too much air time on the forum, it is meant to cover advanced riding after all and hence is a broad church. Please be assured I am not knocking professional training at all, Nor do I think the IAM way is right for everyone. I just think the "us and them" stance that we can get into in forums like this is unnecessary and might stifle an articulate exchange of views.
Do you think this forum would be a broader church if it didn't have "advanced riding' in the title as this could be off-putting for newbies and the non-advanced? Are the less able hesitant to put forward their views if they differ from the advanced riders amongst you, whether IAM, ROSPA, cycling proficiency, Class 1, BTech etc? This place used to be full of all levels of people posting regularly but not these days. I'm aware that the software is rubbish but is that the only reason for the lack of input?
I have to accept being a "dickhead" for getting carried away with my comments on a purely "unqualified" level.Ok so i,ve done a couple of courses DIAmond, IAM blah blah, and i,m gonna contact a guy in the spring to polish up a bit and maybe try and get a Rospa / ROada qualification too.
m011i3 wrote (see)
Somehow I seriously doubt that.
thread clean up please..?
i want to read about winter riding rather than a heated debate by someone trying to prove a point on Spins Forum
...i'm here to Read advice from Spin, not ROSPA and IAM.i'm pretty sure they have their own forums if i want good information for free..?...dont they..?
I went on a bike ride New Years day with a bunch of folk like-minded, and the gritted roads were fine to ride on.
A good post-ride hosedown was needed though...
Missus thought i had "lost it" !
Me an her have an "open" relationship - she keeps "open" i'll leave
Must admit though my heated grips didn't really make much improvement - wind chill probably so i just got some bar "muffs" for next time i go out in less than ideal temperatures.
Despite all the right clothing,thermals, gloves etc i only really feel the cold on the fingers.
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