Welsh Rally

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23/03/2004 at 17:51
Message for Spin and BB:

Just downloaded the Regs for the Welsh Rally.

I'd though of having a ride over to the start to wave you all off, but the event itself looks very interesting. I could quite fancy having go myself - day section only for starters, though

Any tips you old stagers could impart?

Anyone else thinking of doing it? Possible team entry?

Whaddya mean, its only Saturday?
23/03/2004 at 18:32
Hmm...when is it??

Lookyouboyo.
23/03/2004 at 19:11
8/9 May. Its an endurance/navigation rally/treasure hunt where you have to complete the route, calling at control points to pick up clues.

Day section (300 miles) starts at Welshpool, runs down through Mid Wales to Swansea area, then around to Pembrokeshire, and up the coast to Aberystwyth. Night section (another 200 miles)runs from Aberystwyth through North Wales and ends in Castle Somewhereorother. You get the route 2 weeks before the event so you can do all your planning.

Wimps can do the day run only, marathon men (ie, BMW tourers) can do the full monty (24 hours)

Entry fee is £20 per bike plus £9 special insurance premium to cover the competitive road sections. No competition licence required. You need a torch and a pen that will keep on writing in a monsoon.

Three bike team entry is £7.

Certificates for the winners, everlasting shame for the losers.

Who's up for it, then?

Whaddya mean, its only Saturday?
23/03/2004 at 19:51
Last year, I clocked about 600+ miles - there's a story about it on the website... I'll send off the entry when I get home...

Tips? Don't rush... good maps are useful - I printed and laminated the route - the only mistake I made was having the route planner actually SHOWING the route - when printed it the broad line overlaid the road numbers (but I have sat nav this year )... don't rush... take a puncture repair kit (or a self tapper and a tube of rubber cement)... don't rush... spare bulbs and enough tools to change them...

Good waterproofs and the old heated vest are a good investment - it's a long, long ride and you will get cold if the weather is poor. Careful route planning helps.

It's a bloody good laugh... at least till it p!sses down with rain at 3 in the morning... I hit a wall at about 4:30 last time, and really was struggling to stay awake. Not good...

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

23/03/2004 at 19:52
And.... no, not that kind of wall...

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

23/03/2004 at 23:22
Sunday Driver wrote

Message for Spin and BB:



I must be going up in the world, being mentioned in the same post as The Spin Doctor.

Sunday Driver wrote


I could quite fancy having go myself - day section only for starters, though



Very sensible. Now why didn't I do that? Oh yes, I wanted my money's worth.


Sunday Driver wrote


Any tips you old stagers could impart?


Not so much of the old, you young whippersnapper.


Sunday Driver wrote


Wimps can do the day run only, marathon men (ie, BMW tourers) can do the full monty (24 hours)



Or anyone who takes a sensible approach to long hours in the saddle and has a reliable and comfortable machine. OK, I admit I did it on a boxer twin, so the similarity with Beemers is evident.


Sunday Driver wrote


Entry fee is £20 per bike plus £9 special insurance premium to cover the competitive road sections. No competition licence required. You need a torch and a pen that will keep on writing in a monsoon.


I don't know anything about an insurance premium for competitive road sections. The competition is in answering the questions at the manned checkpoints. Speed, time and distance are not an issue, except to get to the right places before they close.


Sunday Driver wrote


Certificates for the winners, everlasting shame for the losers.


A rather nice plaque for every finisher last year. And total humiliation for anyone who finished after me.

Sunday Driver wrote

Who's up for it, then?



My entry is already in.

The Spin Doctor wrote

Last year, I clocked about 600+ miles -


Me, too. Although the theory is about 500 miles I found the least I could do, assuming no wrong turns, was 546 miles. Unfortunately I got totally lost at Gurnos, having to resort to asking a very nice traffic policeman the way, and I must have ridden down every street in Aberystwyth before I found the TA Centre.


The Spin Doctor wrote

Tips? Don't rush... good maps are useful -



Plan your route as accurately as possible and stick to it. I know of two chaps on the English who never finished because they kept deviating from their route and ran out of time. Get as much information as you can about junctions and especially town streets, because this is where you will lose time if you have to stop and search, or go back to one you've missed. I make cards for each section between checkpoints, with arrows showing which way to go at each turn or roundabout, the distance travelled and the time I need to be there to finish before the deadline. With a top speed of about 45mph and an average in Wales of about 28, this is vital for me.
Assume that your average speed is going to be quite low because you need to allow time to get to the checkpoints on Welsh country lanes, find the answers to the clues, and for fuel and welfare stops. If you get ahead of schedule you can have a break somewhere. If you try to go too fast and fall behind time you risk getting stressed and could make mistakes, either by getting lost, thus making the time deficit worse, or having an accident. Did anyone mention, don't rush?


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The Spin Doctor wrote

but I have sat nav this year )... don't rush... take a puncture repair kit (or a self tapper and a tube of rubber cement)... don't rush... spare bulbs and enough tools to change them...


The nearest I get to satellite navigation is steering by the stars, which is somewhat difficult during the day. I carry a workshop's amount of tools and spares, but I am more likely to need them than someone on a modern bike, and there is always a vital part of my equipment - a gallon can of petrol on the back rack, and a 1.5 litre bottle as reserve, but my tank only holds 7.1 litres, with no reserve.



The Spin Doctor wrote

Good waterproofs and the old heated vest are a good investment - it's a long, long ride and you will get cold if the weather is poor.



No-one makes a 6v heated waistcoat, but I have found that suitable thermal clothing can be adequate, especially if you keep the wind off with your, by now, soaking waterproofs. If you're tired you will feel cold.

The Spin Doctor wrote

It's a bloody good laugh...


It is when you see the expressions as I ride up.


The Spin Doctor wrote


at least till it p!sses down with rain at 3 in the morning...



Betws-Y-Coed?

The Spin Doctor wrote


I hit a wall at about 4:30 last time, and really was struggling to stay awake. Not good...
And.... no, not that kind of wall...



No, that was me, on the Scottish.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
24/03/2004 at 09:14
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The nearest I get to satellite navigation is steering by the stars, which is somewhat difficult during the day.


The main problem looks like being the limited memory of the gadget and the need to carry a laptop to change the detail maps - the base maps will navigate you from town to town, but for street level work you need to switch to high scale...

Still working on that one!!

I also need to get a power cable too!!

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

24/03/2004 at 16:25
Thanks, Spin and BB.

This sounds really, really good - entry off in the post soon, I think.

Distance/comfort will be OK on the Pan and I've got enough cold/wet weather gear to see me through. I've got a few Uncles and Aunties who are farmers in Pembrokeshire so if I don't make it, I've got somewhere to bail out if necessary.

Navigation - I used to be a championship road rally navigator in the 60's :smoke: and some of BB's ideas brought back some nice memories - I reckon on using larger scale maps for the As & Bs with tulip diagram cards for navigating around the built-ups.

Or for those old enough, what about a natty Denis Jenkinson type rolling route card winder built with bog-roll inners and fixed to the dash behind the screen?

Mmm, down to the garden shed with the sticky back plastic, I think.....

Come on, Count - are you up for it yet? TRX? - you're a bit local! Need three daytime plodders to make up a team

Whaddya mean, its only Saturday?
24/03/2004 at 19:41
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I reckon on using larger scale maps for the As & Bs with tulip diagram cards for navigating around the built-ups


Tulips?? I thought they were Dutch... Daffs are more appropriate for Wales

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

24/03/2004 at 22:06
The Spin Doctor wrote


I also need to get a power cable too!!


A 600 mile long power cable.


Sunday Driverwrote


entry off in the post soon, I think.



Needs to be in by 2nd April.


Sunday Driverwrote


tulip diagram cards


That's the stuff. I couldn't remember what they call them.

Sunday Driverwrote


Or for those old enough, what about a natty Denis Jenkinson type rolling route card winder built with bog-roll inners and fixed to the dash behind the screen?


Or buy one of these.


If you want to read a report from an entrant last year see here
I'm not too impressed by his last sentence, but he was a bit miffed when he saw me there. Couldn't even get the bike right. It never was a police bike and it's 192cc. Jealousy is a terrible thing.


I guess I'd better start putting it back together soon or it'll not be ready in time.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
25/03/2004 at 08:48
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If you want to read a report from an entrant last year see here
I'm not too impressed by his last sentence, but he was a bit miffed when he saw me there. Couldn't even get the bike right. It never was a police bike and it's 192cc. Jealousy is a terrible thing.


I've just had a good chuckle reading that report...

"Hours behind schedule", "lost torch and nearly the control card", "stuck in traffic"... just as well they had big, powerful touring bikes then

There was a top shortcut off the Gower that followed a beautiful minor road - no traffic on that at all

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

29/03/2004 at 09:21
Sunday Driver wrote


Come on, Count - are you up for it yet? TRX? - you're a bit local! Need three daytime plodders to make up a team


Would love to but got major diary problems

Sigh...so many roads, so many events....

...so few hols...
29/03/2004 at 15:36
Well, I always wanted to be a contender....

Yep, the entry's off in the post

Harking back to old rally times, I was thinking of creating some pace notes - pre-record a load of cassette tapes and hook the Walkman up to the intercom system.

However, I'd still need all the maps and route cards as backup, in the event of "....turn left at phone box, 1 mile to staggered junction on B5432, turn right into.... WHOOOOOOOOOOO ARE YOU....WHO,WHO,WHO,WHO - I REALLY WANNA KNOW..... "

Bugger - daughter's been recording on the bloody wrong tape....

Whaddya mean, its only Saturday?
29/03/2004 at 16:05
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However, I'd still need all the maps and route cards as backup




Having had paper maps get wet and glue themselves together, and the Psion route planner/Autoroute combo work wonderfully till the keyboard filled with water, I tried laminated maps last year.

What I had failed to notice in the planning stage is that the printed route doesn't highlight the map with a nice transparent colour but uses a thicker black line - which cunningly overlays the road numbers... bit of guesswork required in one or two places...

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"Force has no place where there is need of skill" Herodotus 450BC :burnout:

29/03/2004 at 17:00
The Spin Doctor wrote

...the printed route doesn't highlight the map with a nice transparent colour but uses a thicker black line - which cunningly overlays the road numbers... bit of guesswork required in one or two places...


Case for printing out a clean map, then adding the route afterwards using a waterproof highlighter pen.

I'm more used to marking up 1:50,000 OS maps but I think they'd flap around a bit on the Pan.....

By the way, what's this special test you need to do at Aberystwyth?

Whaddya mean, its only Saturday?
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