National Escort Group - further skills?

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18/05/2005 at 14:18
What level of skills/training/riding ability etc is required for joining the NEG? Does it just require IAM standard, or Blue Riband, or Class one? They send a checklist but don't really indicate just how competent or good or merely excellent that you have to be. Obviously it requires slow speed skills, and a general all round ability, but are there other specific aspects that should be brushed up on? And so who can provide such brushing up?

Cheers.

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18/05/2005 at 14:37
hawker wrote
What level of skills/training/riding ability etc is required for joining the NEG? Does it just require IAM standard, or Blue Riband, or Class one?


Hmmm . . . well, they let Spin in

Wait for him to answer

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18/05/2005 at 14:56
18/05/2005 at 15:06
Looks like class one or similar then. The information that I have already received didn't tell as much as bobby's site.

Thanks.

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18/05/2005 at 15:51
hawker wrote
Looks like class one or similar then.


Oh no. Oh no no no no, NO!

FFS don't let Spin see that comment or he'll be posting it in to the 'Class One' thread . . .


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18/05/2005 at 21:14
The Spin Doctor wrote

the difficult bit is adapting to riding at 12mph up a hill and 30m later accelerating to 55 down it...



What's hard about that? Any LE rider can do that. In fact, it's compulsory.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
18/05/2005 at 22:38
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Hmmm . . . well, they let Spin in


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Riding assessment is required


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What's hard about that?


What are you talking about????

:burnout:

19/05/2005 at 06:21
Scarver wrote
What are you talking about????

:burnout:


Oh dear!

It was a joke.

My little motorcycle only goes 12mph up steep hills but can get up to 55mph downhill. Therefore, if I can do it, it can't be hard, can it?

On second thoughts, yes, it's really diffficult and I'm a riding god.

Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
19/05/2005 at 12:30
The Spin Doctor wrote
You sure the LE doesn't have pedals?


No, they'd interfere with the running boards. And I couldn't cope with the extra Velocettie.

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19/05/2005 at 15:16
BCF Site wrote
NEG members may also be engaged by the race organiser or media companies to carry press photographers or cameramen as a pilot for pillion passengers. In such a case, where the NEG member has been engaged by a media or TV company, they may reasonably expect this company to provide a risk assessment of the duties required of the pilot.


Which means you get some muppet sitting backwards on your pillion seat, standing up or leaning right over to get the best angles, as well as the joys of muppet spectators leaping out into the road as you tackle a 25% gradient at walking pace.

Couple that with the car drivers who ignore the 'pull over' requests and head straight for you or the bunch, and its one job I'd pass on.

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19/05/2005 at 16:38
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Oh dear! It was a joke.


Perhaps I should've said fnaar, fnaar.

Well, I was tired.

19/05/2005 at 17:16
The Spin Doctor wrote
I think you'd find a full police presence on that sort of race, with a full rolling road closure.


Doesn't always work, either here or on the continent. I've know of (cycle) riders who've been killed or injured by such muppets - including one World Champion who was killed the year after winning the title at Mallory Park back in the 70s.

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19/05/2005 at 21:21
Dingbat wrote
Doesn't always work, either here or on the continent. I've know of (cycle) riders who've been killed or injured by such muppets - including one World Champion who was killed the year after winning the title at Mallory Park back in the 70s.



Not so much of a problem at our local races. You tend to only get wives and girlfirends (sometimes both), relations, plus perhaps a man walking his dog as the main spectators. If it is a local championship we might get, ooh let's see, a hundred people or so round the course and they tend not to be numbnutts but are fully aware of the high speed cycle racing can involve.

Joking apart though, the biggest hazard for the riders and the marshalls are the impatient bast*rds in cars who can't tolerate the maybe five minutes delay to their journey that a bike race might cause, and cut in and out of the bunch in the race, and can cut the m'bike marshall up as well.
They are obviously fully qualified Arseholes.

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20/05/2005 at 07:25
hawker wrote
the biggest hazard for the riders and the marshalls are the impatient bast*rds in cars who can't tolerate the maybe five minutes delay to their journey that a bike race might cause


on the other hand, the car drivers have every right to be there as it's not a closed road, and tbh, there's nothing worse than an bunch of arrogant cyclists who think they are better than everyone else (because they're cyclists), which therefor gives them the right to ride 3 or 4 abreast and make it hard for everyone else.

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20/05/2005 at 18:43
knee_boarder wrote
on the other hand, the car drivers have every right to be there as it's not a closed road, and tbh, there's nothing worse than an bunch of arrogant cyclists who think they are better than everyone else (because they're cyclists), which therefor gives them the right to ride 3 or 4 abreast and make it hard for everyone else.


On the other, other hand these races have a legal right to be held on the road, they have local police permission, and (I think) local authority permission, and the cyclists are taking part in a healthy sport on an risk assessed course that has warning signs of the race, and in an event that holds people up for a few minutes if at all.
There's nothing worse than...impatient motorists who can injure and/or kill people by driving head on into a bunch out of sheer arrogance believing that they, the driver, own the road to the exclusion of everyone else.



(Yes, okay, there are worse things in the world, but...)

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20/05/2005 at 18:57
Hm.
Cyclists.
Muscular legs.
Spray -on Lycra shorts.
Followed them for miles.

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20/05/2005 at 18:59
Bike Breaker wrote
Hm.
Cyclists.
Muscular legs.
Spray -on Lycra shorts.
Followed them for miles.


So it WAS you!!!!

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21/05/2005 at 16:07
hawker wrote
On the other, other hand these races have a legal right to be held on the road, t


I wasn't meaning while racing, that's fair enough. Same applies to the local car club's rallies. BUT they are arrogant tossers when training, and do frequently ride 4 abreast and deliberately make it difficult for other road users. If a car club was to go out like that in their rally cars and be awkward, they'd be leapt on from a great height.

It's the usual, "we're cyclists and therefor better than you" shite.

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21/05/2005 at 19:45
knee_boarder wrote
I wasn't meaning while racing, that's fair enough. Same applies to the local car club's rallies. BUT they are arrogant tossers when training, and do frequently ride 4 abreast and deliberately make it difficult for other road users. If a car club was to go out like that in their rally cars and be awkward, they'd be leapt on from a great height.

It's the usual, "we're cyclists and therefor better than you" shite.



On our club runs, occasionally if the road is clear we'll ride more than two abreast because it harms no-one. If a car etc appears, then we - like most club riders I know - will single out from two abreast, or more if that happens to be the case. BUT when the road is very wide, then we will stay at two abreast and the car can get past anyway.Likewise, if the road is not wide enough for a safe pass, then we will deliberately stay side by side to stop idiots from cutting us up on blind corners, brow of a hill, narrow roads and similar places where impatient twats can't bear to be held up for a few minutes and will put our lives and limbs at risk for the sake of saving a few minutes. Is that arrogant or just self-preservation? Tough shit if someone thinks it's arrogance. But what is it when that minority of drivers smash up other humans because they simply can't be arsed to care?

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23/05/2005 at 07:52
hawker wrote
Tough shit if someone thinks it's arrogance.


typical arrogant cyclist

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