City & Guilds 7351-013 Advanced Rider Course

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AdamA

07/02/2006 at 20:47

www.issee.co.uk/amct.php?no=101
Anyone seen this?

I emailed them to get further info. Got back this today:

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Dear Mr Abel

Many thanks for your patience whilst we finalise the details for the first City and Guilds Advanced Motorcycle Rider course, details of which are below.

We are looking to run a pilot course in early April, dates to follow, at the UK Centre for Homeland Security based near Salisbury in Wiltshire. Please find an outline programme attached.

Since our course has been accredited by City & Guilds we are ken to run a pilot course as soon as possible to make sure it works. So, by way of compensation, we are offering a discount of £300 for the pilot only. The standard course fees will be £950 including VAT, City and Guilds certification and lunch for the days when you are in the classroom. For the pilot, the course fees will be only £650 including VAT, City and Guilds certification and lunch when you are in the classroom.

Places on the pilot course will be strictly limited to 9 students, so please let me know quickly if you would like to participate. We will of course, be taking bookings for courses later in the year at the full course fee so please let me know if you have any preferred dates.

I look forward to hearing from you and welcoming you to the School.

Best regards

J Veasey

Training Manager

With the attachement enclosed.

Any thoughts?

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Bob Pinder

07/02/2006 at 20:54

sounds really good and looks like it has a lot to offer

Bikers have little brand loyalty and are far happier to be led by the nose to the cheapest prices then whinge about the bad service

Animal

07/02/2006 at 20:57

£££

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AdamA

07/02/2006 at 21:00

Bob Pinder wrote

sounds really good and looks like it has a lot to offer

I take it you have some involvement then Bob?

Bob Pinder

07/02/2006 at 21:04

Yes

Did you stumble across it or were you searching for something?

Bikers have little brand loyalty and are far happier to be led by the nose to the cheapest prices then whinge about the bad service

AdamA

07/02/2006 at 21:09

Bob Pinder wrote

Yes

Did you stumble across it or were you searching for something?

Always looking mate.

But at that price I guess I will have to look elsewhere.

Shame cos like you say, sounds like it could be really good and has a lot to offer.

Count Steer

07/02/2006 at 21:27

"UK Centre for Homeland Security based near Salisbury in Wiltshire"

Oh yes? What are they teaching? Night bombing runs and terrrrst interrogation?

elldrivers

07/02/2006 at 21:32

If your looking for an instructors course, then consider
www.advanced-motorcycle-training.co.uk/

The course offered by Bob seems to be running three to one on road training,
do you think that is a good idea?
ROSPA only do one to one on their diploma courses AFAIK

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Horse

07/02/2006 at 21:59

Since Bob's outed himself I don't need to, also involved is TC, Tony Carter.

IIRC, from what Tony's told me, they hope to exploit one of the advantages of the C&G system.

Perhaps more later.

No, I'm not involved.

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go4it

08/02/2006 at 08:49

Ouch...a lot of money for a 5 day course and only 2 1/2 days on road. The RoSPA Diploma is only around £850. The claim that the course will get you closer to the police class 1 advanced than either the IAM or RoSPA in such a short period is a very bold claim.

Those attending are going to already have to ride to a high standard, what level is the accredited course? I assume by the number of hours that it will be to a level 3

I assume therefore that they are only using police advanced instructors to do this:-) 3 to 1 on the road is outside the generally accepted safety limits of ratios and most police forces only run 2 to 1 these days.

Its a lot of money and personally I think this will put a lot of people off after initial interest. Any new initiative helps to keep the competition keen :-)

Horse

08/02/2006 at 09:15

'Lo Graham.

How's 'retirement' going?

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The Spin Doctor

08/02/2006 at 09:20

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The claim that the course will get you closer to the police class 1 advanced than either the IAM or RoSPA in such a short period is a very bold claim.

And ten years after I first started asking the question "why would anyone except a policeman want to ride at Police Class 1 standard", I'm still wondering about the reasoning for suggesting the specialised needs of a police pursuit rider are also what a civvie rider needs?

Seems to me that here is (or maybe was) a chance to build a new standard for civvie riders, rather than force the square peg into the proverbial round hole.

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go4it

08/02/2006 at 09:37

Horse

Thank you for enquiring, I am very happy these days doing some accident investigation work and training of course, developing PTSD training that is proving very popular. in general a lot more chilled these days and well out of the profession...no looking back as its the best thing I ever did.

Advised yesterday that i have reached the 3 year clear of cancer milestone after 10 years of battling so a small celebration last evening, light at the end of the tunnel at last ;-)

Spin I agree that the course should not mirror the police course, it MUST be tailored for the needs of the individual rider, its a hell a lot of money considering our level 4 course with 10 days of training with 1st aid is just £1200 and this covers a minimum of 6 days out on the road. Sorry about the plug ;-) and is spread over several months

Still I will remain retired, happy and disappear again....see ya

The Spin Doctor

08/02/2006 at 09:58

I've just managed to get the .doc file open - there's either a bug in my version of Word, or there's a glitch in their file...

(there's also a fairly glaring misspelling in the covering letter going out with the info about the pilot course, you might like to sort Bob

Looking at the schedule, something no one has mentioned...

Intro 45 mins
Roadcraft in depth 45 mins
Roadcraft implications 45 mins
Highway Code 45 mins
First Aid 3 hours 45 mins
Scene management 45 mins
Maintenance 45 mins
PPE 45 mins
Law 45...

So... I don't think this is aimed at y'average everyday rider...

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slowsider

08/02/2006 at 10:05

The Spin Doctor wrote

So... I don't think this is aimed at y'average everyday rider...

No - the note about "ROSPA Diplomat " would back that up

slowsider....

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go4it

08/02/2006 at 10:27

Roadcraft in depth in 45 minutes...On my course it took about 1 hour a day for three weeks and only 45 mins on law, wow this is a serious training package :-)

Must be a lot of pre course reading to do :-)) or they are offering very long lunches

The Spin Doctor

08/02/2006 at 11:35

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Advised yesterday that i have reached the 3 year clear of cancer milestone after 10 years of battling so a small celebration last evening, light at the end of the tunnel at last ;-)

That's great news... have a glass on me!

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Horse

08/02/2006 at 11:38

Ah well, if there's a glass going spare I'll celebrate with you too (& two) instead of just thinking 'That's good!'

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knee_boarder

08/02/2006 at 12:47

Horse wrote

Ah well, if there's a glass going spare I'll celebrate with you too (& two) instead of just thinking 'That's good!'

great news

pint of Wallop for me please

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Scootabout

08/02/2006 at 22:29

Can we go halves on a bottle of Moet? Congrats

As for the course, I wonder what it's really about? It is expensive and the timetable is weighted in an odd way if it's just about advanced riding for a civvie. Is it the beginning of a compulsory qualification for 'advanced instructors'? (not that I'm spreading rumours...) :smoke:

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