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Have race rep 400s had their day?

End of the road for much-loved pocket rockets?

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Posted: 29 July 2008
by Tim Skilton

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When 400cc sportsbikes hit Britain's shores in the early 1990s up and coming sportsbike newbies could hardly believe their luck. For the first time ever, new riders could get their eager hands on machines that looked and handled like a big-bore racebike, without frightening themselves silly or paying sky-high insurance premiums.

Up until then inexperienced riders, or those a bit short in the leg, were lumbered with either a low-slung custom or a sexless commuter. Neither were tempting fodder for riders that had their heart set on a cutting-edge sportsbike.

The source of these beautiful miniature race reps was Japan's home market, as the country's stringent transport laws made motorcycles over three years old almost redundant. But even though Japan had turned its back on these exquisite race replicas, it didn't take long for someone to realise there was a massive market for them in Britain. Japan's loss was to be our gain and the grey import bike scene was born.


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Discuss this story


V4orce
never never never, perfection never bettered the RVF

Posted: 17/08/2007 at 20:24


Kernel
Excellent article.

It's true that the market for 400's has greatly diminished in recent years, which in turn makes them either a bain to have them or a god send.
For example sourcing parts can be hard, my ZXR400's downpipes have rotten and a genuine set from Kawasaki are just shy of £500 and that is for another set of quick rotting downpipes. Even some of the well known manufactuers are not producing for the 400's any more e.g Scorpion, and I think Micron.

But even so with parts awkward to source if you have a minter they are desireable to the second hand market even with high mileage and I won't have lost too much money from when I bought it, again there lies another problem where even tho I know I should get another bike due to the bike being cramped and hurts my knees due my manly size. I just can't bring myself to let it go.

I think this could be a good thing for the Journo's at TWO to look in to. Could fill a few pages.

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 14:16


V4orce
i dropped from a 6-400 as the 6 bored me, the RVF is awesome and its ability to limpet itself to the tarmac is phenomenal! The only thing i miss is the arm pulling mid range torque, but i'm happy to sacrifice that and would buy a new 4 over a 6 any day........esp if its a V4

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 15:47


Deleted 456
I'd like another 400, top fun that bike it was.

nc30's are 20years old now, even the zxr400 is starting to get on a bit. Not to practical as a daily bike which needs to be maintained as you need to spend time sourcing parts.

Great bikes, just most are showing there age now. There was talks about an Aprillia 400 which looked interesting but thats all gone quiet.

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 16:31


V4orce
wasnt the new aprillia going to be a single pot though.....

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 20:56


Deleted 456
No I think it was going to use one of these 450 v-twins


Cagiva was going to make a 400/500 mito i think, that might of been a single?

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:09


V4orce
bloodyhell 450 twin id buy it tomorrow i genuinely would!

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:12


topski100
Yeah there's still a market for a light, sweet handling, cheap sportsbike. The Kwak was the best. But where was the decents twins and two-strokes?

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:33


V4orce
Kwak was best.

Go and wash out

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:35


barryfzr
Kernel wrote
Excellent article.

It's true that the market for 400's has greatly diminished in recent years, which in turn makes them either a bain to have them or a god send.
For example sourcing parts can be hard, my ZXR400's downpipes have rotten and a genuine set from Kawasaki are just shy of £500 and that is for another set of quick rotting downpipes. Even some of the well known manufactuers are not producing for the 400's any more e.g Scorpion, and I think Micron.

But even so with parts awkward to source if you have a minter they are desireable to the second hand market even with high mileage and I won't have lost too much money from when I bought it, again there lies another problem where even tho I know I should get another bike due to the bike being cramped and hurts my knees due my manly size. I just can't bring myself to let it go.

I think this could be a good thing for the Journo's at TWO to look in to. Could fill a few pages.


Gazelle exhausts made me a pukka, hand made stainless exhaust system for my 400/600 for just shy of £600. Might be worth a look if you want to keep the bike ;o) downpipes only were about £450 ish I think ;o)

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 23:47


nsrmonkey
cam chain on an NC29....LMAO....gear driven cams my friend.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 10:19


SuperSonic
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 10:59


Anteater
I'd love Kawasaki to import an official 2008 ZX4R. :smoke:

I cant imagine how much better it would be than the 1991 technology thats in my ZXR400 race bikes.......... would probably be two seconds a lap quicker straight out of the crate before the fettling started.

Dont bother about market demographics and all that bollox just build it and ship it - I'll buy one.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 11:32


SuperSonic
There will likely be a reinvention of smaller capacity sports bikes when they change the MotoGP classes and replace the 125cc and 250cc 2 strokes with 4 strokes.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 11:45


Kernel
SuperSonic wrote
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???

The '07 R6 feels nothing like my 400.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 12:01


SuperSonic
Kernel wrote
The '07 R6 feels nothing like my 400.


Are you missing the midrange of the 400??

Bit tongue-in-cheek mate - of course a 600 has more power everywhere than a 400 would.

But surely if someone wants the riding experience of a 15 year old 400 they could buy a modern lightweigh, fab-handling 600 and just not use all the power.... :burnout:

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 12:49


fontyy
So Tim Skilton thinks CBR400's "known vice" is a cam chain rattle, hmmmm there's a man to trust, the CBR400 has gear driven cams.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 18:31


Radnor
Top article that, reminds me how much I still want a VFR400

Posted: 24/08/2007 at 17:36


V4orce
SuperSonic wrote
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???


errrr no.

Posted: 24/08/2007 at 18:06


Boost!
Great article! I have a little FZR400R exup, my second ever bike. I have had it for the best part of 11 years (ohmygod!) and it still makes me smile like a loon every time I'm out on it! The size is perfect for a little person like me, and the noise it makes at 13000+ is super!!
Totaly addictive!!

Posted: 25/08/2007 at 12:50


SuperSonic
V4orce wrote
errrr no.


Can you expand?? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely interested in why it's so different??

Posted: 25/08/2007 at 15:01


V4orce
i can only vouch for NC30s & 35s which i returned to, its the compactness of the bike coupled with the slightly smaller wheelbase that make the bikes so chuckable. Rear tyre section is also smaller so bike can literally be lobbed from left to right extremes in an instant. It doesn't have the pull of my 6FS in any way but id rather ride my RVF for the grin factor than the 6FS, the FS spends most of its life waiting for the winter to come round.........

Posted: 26/08/2007 at 07:32


RiceBurner
SuperSonic wrote
Can you expand?? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely interested in why it's so different??


Riding a 400 is a mental thing.

It's ALL about using, and knowing that you're using every last drop of performance the bike will give. Thrashing the machine to the limits of the revs on every ride, using every last bit of your skills to maintain corner speed knowing for a fact that if you don't, you'll drop out of the power and have to go down 3 gears just to start accelerating again. Get it right and you genuinely feel like a god. You simply can't do that safely on the road on a 600 today because to genuinely use all the power* of even a 3 or 4 year old 600 you'd be going well over twice the speed of the majority of traffic.


*i.e. slamming the throttle open on corner exits.

Posted: 26/08/2007 at 20:09


NC3088
V4 FTW!

Nothing compares, i came froma zxr400 to a gsxr600 then went back down to a NC30 they are that good.

NC30 is miles ahead of the ZXR imo too.

Posted: 30/08/2007 at 17:17


barryfzr
1x fzr400 with a fzr600motor in + nearly finished a thundercat one :smoke:

It just worked out really well for me as I'm a bit of a short arse, the engine swap is easy, and the fzr400 frame is as good as a 10 year newer bike (yamaha at least)

Newer stuff feels sharper and smother tho ;o) but mine are plenty quick and fun to ride. Cost less than a new bike would depretiate leaving the showroom too.

Posted: 30/08/2007 at 22:06


ZXR-BEN
I disagree, i've had an NC30, a CBR 400, and a ZXR 400, and i'm all for the ZXR. Not as much torque as the V4, but thats part of it for me... Also the suspension set up is far superior on the ZXR...

Posted: 05/09/2007 at 10:38


fishman

http://www.visordown.com/members/images/143140/Gallery/bike_small.jpg


The girlies Cbr400rr mint and for sale!! You know you want to! Pm if any one is interested!!


Posted: 30/07/2008 at 18:15


racytracy
I have had my RVF400RT for about 2 years, I'm heading off to the Manx GP on it. I have more fun riding that than I did my CBR600 (now sold to someone on the Isle of Man!). It sounds georgeous and is fun! Isn't that what biking is all about!

Posted: 01/08/2008 at 15:36


Simon E 5

Re: the www.v-four.freeserve.co.uk link in this article.

Unfortunately my Honda V4 site was deleted

It now has a new home at http://www.simonevans.co.uk/v-four/

Cheers,

Simon.


Posted: 28/08/2009 at 13:49

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