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Have race rep 400s had their day? - Race Replica 400s

End of the road for much-loved pocket rockets?

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Posted: 29 July 2008
by Tim Skilton

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The Importer

BAT Motorcycles in Kent were the first UK company to get involved in 400cc grey imports. Martin Davidson, a key figure in BAT's success, tells us how it all started:

"Japanese riders were restricted to 400cc because of the country's licensing laws. When the bikes were three years old they weren't wanted, so we bought them by the container load - most of them were in superb nick.

It was an exciting time because you didn't really know what you'd be getting in each shipment. There'd be 400s, two-stroke 250s and plenty of jaw-dropping exotica you just didn't normally see in Britain. The Japanese produce stunning bikes for their home market.

Did you sell many?
"It was an unbelievable time. We sold everything we could get our hands on. New riders were elated there was something on offer besides a CB500, a Bandit or a cruiser. It gave riders a tempting alternative if they couldn't afford to buy and insure a 600cc sportsbike. The ladies love them, too, because they could reach the floor and look cool. 400cc race replicas changed the British bike scene forever."

So why aren't they imported anymore?
"MSVA (Motorcycle Single Vehicle Approval) wrecked everything. Before it appeared in 2003 we would service the bikes, change the tyres, MOT them and they were ready for the showroom. The stringency of MSVA testing made importing 400s financial suicide. It's a bloody shame because there are no fresh bikes coming into the country."

The Salesman

Visordown spoke to Gary McKay at DK Motorcycles in Stoke on Trent, another grey import specialist that's been bringing bikes into the country for the last 20 years. Their showroom still has a fair number of grey imports but their stock is dwindling due to MSVA regulations.

Is there still a market for 400s? "There's still a huge market for 400cc sportsbikes but the quality of what's left on the secondhand market is diminishing year-on-year now no one's importing fresh stuff from Japan. MSVA's ruined the show. I could sell a whole showroom full of them if I could find decent quality stock. Finding it's the problem."

Which 400s are most popular?
"Hondas mainly. VFRs, RVFs and baby-Blades - the CBR400RR. Kawasaki officially imported the ZX-R400, so there are quite a few decent examples around but that ceased production in 2003. On the whole it's difficult finding a decent low mileage 400 that hasn't been crashed, tracked or just plain neglected. Suzuki GSX-R400s and Yamaha FZR400RRs aren't so popular."

The Market

We did a national search on the most popular race replica 400s for sale. Honda VFRs were the most plentiful, RVFs were the most expensive and Suzuki GSX-Rs the least popular. It's worth noting the cheapest and most expensive CBR400s (£950 and £2395) were made in the same year:

Honda VFR400 - 45 available
Cheapest - 1990 model costing £995
Most expensive - 1992 model costing £2695

Honda RVF400 - 15 available
Cheapest - 1993 model costing £1995
Most expensive - 1998 model costing £3999

Honda CBR400RR - 25 available
Cheapest - 1990 model costing £950
Most expensive - 1990 model costing £2395

Kawasaki ZX-R400 - 20 available
Cheapest - 1994 model costing £995
Most expensive - 2003 model costing £3250

Suzuki GSX-R400 - 9 available
Cheapest - 1991 model costing £995
Most expensive - 1992 model costing £1899

Yamaha FZ-R400RR - 12 available
Cheapest - 1988 model costing £875
Most expensive - 1991 model costing £1999

The Buyer

Visordown spoke to Mark Oddi, a fireman from Oxford, who passed his test six years ago and started searching for a VFR400 straightaway:

"It looked at fifteen before I found the right one. I'd have probably bought sooner but my instructor came with me and insisted we weren't going to buy any shit. I learnt a hell of a lot in that time. Some had been crashed, others had lousy gearboxes and most had tatty bodywork. I almost gave up in the end. Eventually we found an absolute minter, but my joy wasn't to last long as I got swiped off it the following week when some idiot jumped a red light. That was over six years ago, so I'd imagine finding a decent one now would be a total nightmare."


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V4orce
never never never, perfection never bettered the RVF

Posted: 17/08/2007 at 20:24


Kernel
Excellent article.

It's true that the market for 400's has greatly diminished in recent years, which in turn makes them either a bain to have them or a god send.
For example sourcing parts can be hard, my ZXR400's downpipes have rotten and a genuine set from Kawasaki are just shy of £500 and that is for another set of quick rotting downpipes. Even some of the well known manufactuers are not producing for the 400's any more e.g Scorpion, and I think Micron.

But even so with parts awkward to source if you have a minter they are desireable to the second hand market even with high mileage and I won't have lost too much money from when I bought it, again there lies another problem where even tho I know I should get another bike due to the bike being cramped and hurts my knees due my manly size. I just can't bring myself to let it go.

I think this could be a good thing for the Journo's at TWO to look in to. Could fill a few pages.

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 14:16


V4orce
i dropped from a 6-400 as the 6 bored me, the RVF is awesome and its ability to limpet itself to the tarmac is phenomenal! The only thing i miss is the arm pulling mid range torque, but i'm happy to sacrifice that and would buy a new 4 over a 6 any day........esp if its a V4

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 15:47


Deleted 456
I'd like another 400, top fun that bike it was.

nc30's are 20years old now, even the zxr400 is starting to get on a bit. Not to practical as a daily bike which needs to be maintained as you need to spend time sourcing parts.

Great bikes, just most are showing there age now. There was talks about an Aprillia 400 which looked interesting but thats all gone quiet.

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 16:31


V4orce
wasnt the new aprillia going to be a single pot though.....

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 20:56


Deleted 456
No I think it was going to use one of these 450 v-twins


Cagiva was going to make a 400/500 mito i think, that might of been a single?

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:09


V4orce
bloodyhell 450 twin id buy it tomorrow i genuinely would!

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:12


topski100
Yeah there's still a market for a light, sweet handling, cheap sportsbike. The Kwak was the best. But where was the decents twins and two-strokes?

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:33


V4orce
Kwak was best.

Go and wash out

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 21:35


barryfzr
Kernel wrote
Excellent article.

It's true that the market for 400's has greatly diminished in recent years, which in turn makes them either a bain to have them or a god send.
For example sourcing parts can be hard, my ZXR400's downpipes have rotten and a genuine set from Kawasaki are just shy of £500 and that is for another set of quick rotting downpipes. Even some of the well known manufactuers are not producing for the 400's any more e.g Scorpion, and I think Micron.

But even so with parts awkward to source if you have a minter they are desireable to the second hand market even with high mileage and I won't have lost too much money from when I bought it, again there lies another problem where even tho I know I should get another bike due to the bike being cramped and hurts my knees due my manly size. I just can't bring myself to let it go.

I think this could be a good thing for the Journo's at TWO to look in to. Could fill a few pages.


Gazelle exhausts made me a pukka, hand made stainless exhaust system for my 400/600 for just shy of £600. Might be worth a look if you want to keep the bike ;o) downpipes only were about £450 ish I think ;o)

Posted: 18/08/2007 at 23:47


nsrmonkey
cam chain on an NC29....LMAO....gear driven cams my friend.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 10:19


SuperSonic
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 10:59


Anteater
I'd love Kawasaki to import an official 2008 ZX4R. :smoke:

I cant imagine how much better it would be than the 1991 technology thats in my ZXR400 race bikes.......... would probably be two seconds a lap quicker straight out of the crate before the fettling started.

Dont bother about market demographics and all that bollox just build it and ship it - I'll buy one.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 11:32


SuperSonic
There will likely be a reinvention of smaller capacity sports bikes when they change the MotoGP classes and replace the 125cc and 250cc 2 strokes with 4 strokes.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 11:45


Kernel
SuperSonic wrote
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???

The '07 R6 feels nothing like my 400.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 12:01


SuperSonic
Kernel wrote
The '07 R6 feels nothing like my 400.


Are you missing the midrange of the 400??

Bit tongue-in-cheek mate - of course a 600 has more power everywhere than a 400 would.

But surely if someone wants the riding experience of a 15 year old 400 they could buy a modern lightweigh, fab-handling 600 and just not use all the power.... :burnout:

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 12:49


fontyy
So Tim Skilton thinks CBR400's "known vice" is a cam chain rattle, hmmmm there's a man to trust, the CBR400 has gear driven cams.

Posted: 23/08/2007 at 18:31


Radnor
Top article that, reminds me how much I still want a VFR400

Posted: 24/08/2007 at 17:36


V4orce
SuperSonic wrote
You can still get close to the 400 race bike experience buying a new bike.

Get a really peaky 600 (r6, zx6r) and set a rev limiter at about 11k...

With the good handling and light weight, surely it'll be close to a 400...???


errrr no.

Posted: 24/08/2007 at 18:06


Boost!
Great article! I have a little FZR400R exup, my second ever bike. I have had it for the best part of 11 years (ohmygod!) and it still makes me smile like a loon every time I'm out on it! The size is perfect for a little person like me, and the noise it makes at 13000+ is super!!
Totaly addictive!!

Posted: 25/08/2007 at 12:50


SuperSonic
V4orce wrote
errrr no.


Can you expand?? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely interested in why it's so different??

Posted: 25/08/2007 at 15:01


V4orce
i can only vouch for NC30s & 35s which i returned to, its the compactness of the bike coupled with the slightly smaller wheelbase that make the bikes so chuckable. Rear tyre section is also smaller so bike can literally be lobbed from left to right extremes in an instant. It doesn't have the pull of my 6FS in any way but id rather ride my RVF for the grin factor than the 6FS, the FS spends most of its life waiting for the winter to come round.........

Posted: 26/08/2007 at 07:32


RiceBurner
SuperSonic wrote
Can you expand?? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just genuinely interested in why it's so different??


Riding a 400 is a mental thing.

It's ALL about using, and knowing that you're using every last drop of performance the bike will give. Thrashing the machine to the limits of the revs on every ride, using every last bit of your skills to maintain corner speed knowing for a fact that if you don't, you'll drop out of the power and have to go down 3 gears just to start accelerating again. Get it right and you genuinely feel like a god. You simply can't do that safely on the road on a 600 today because to genuinely use all the power* of even a 3 or 4 year old 600 you'd be going well over twice the speed of the majority of traffic.


*i.e. slamming the throttle open on corner exits.

Posted: 26/08/2007 at 20:09


NC3088
V4 FTW!

Nothing compares, i came froma zxr400 to a gsxr600 then went back down to a NC30 they are that good.

NC30 is miles ahead of the ZXR imo too.

Posted: 30/08/2007 at 17:17


barryfzr
1x fzr400 with a fzr600motor in + nearly finished a thundercat one :smoke:

It just worked out really well for me as I'm a bit of a short arse, the engine swap is easy, and the fzr400 frame is as good as a 10 year newer bike (yamaha at least)

Newer stuff feels sharper and smother tho ;o) but mine are plenty quick and fun to ride. Cost less than a new bike would depretiate leaving the showroom too.

Posted: 30/08/2007 at 22:06


ZXR-BEN
I disagree, i've had an NC30, a CBR 400, and a ZXR 400, and i'm all for the ZXR. Not as much torque as the V4, but thats part of it for me... Also the suspension set up is far superior on the ZXR...

Posted: 05/09/2007 at 10:38


fishman

http://www.visordown.com/members/images/143140/Gallery/bike_small.jpg


The girlies Cbr400rr mint and for sale!! You know you want to! Pm if any one is interested!!


Posted: 30/07/2008 at 18:15


racytracy
I have had my RVF400RT for about 2 years, I'm heading off to the Manx GP on it. I have more fun riding that than I did my CBR600 (now sold to someone on the Isle of Man!). It sounds georgeous and is fun! Isn't that what biking is all about!

Posted: 01/08/2008 at 15:36


Simon E 5

Re: the www.v-four.freeserve.co.uk link in this article.

Unfortunately my Honda V4 site was deleted

It now has a new home at http://www.simonevans.co.uk/v-four/

Cheers,

Simon.


Posted: 28/08/2009 at 13:49

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